GFX 5900 Ultra Released

Product already sucks.....they cheated. Why would they release it?BTW I FIRST SUCKA!

groundbreaking product? ffs, the 9700pro and the 9800pro beat it in like half the tests in some benchmarksgroundbreking shoulda been faster in ALL tests

So it wasnt groundbreaking so what? This is what the 5800 was supposed to be and its made up for the errors. I'm getting one because I prefer compatability and stability with my speeding fast graphics. If you want ground breaking wait for nvidias nv40 and ati's rs350bshc which will both use pci express (100x faster than current pci, including agp)

hey give the card a chance its only just been released... wait til it has a realistic review against the 9900 pro b4 you pull the p!ss out of it

i think the card as the ;as comment should be given a chance since the competition is against the new ati R350 or R400 etc, how ever due to the performance of the card i say that the new ati not only will kill the this nvidia and the new one, since it seems that whit the release of 9800 and 9700 they now understand how to overpower cards and really make powerful ones, nvidia is using the same formula and the FX cards are crap compared with the succes of the geforce 4.all comments are butt kissing always and if you enter nvidia they say the mos tpowerful by far 10000% and Ati says too te most powerful so only performance can be measured, however the FX5900 is the winner even thou it does not kill the 9800 never, only surpases by little considering the 9800 was the 5800 rival.

Reading all of your comments so far, you all seem like complete retards... buy what you want dumbass and leave the statistics for the more intellegent people t(''t)

Both cards are real close. But image quality goes to ATI with it's rotated grid, gamma corrected FSAA. Plus they don't have to cheat in bench marks to prove their cards are good. ;)The 5900 Ultra is just too expensive. $500! The 9800pro 128meg version is $100 cheaper and holds up to it, even beating it in some tests. Even doing better against the 5900 non-ultra. They have proven that 256megs of ram on a gpu is useless right now. Even for games like DOOM3. If you need to spend 5 bills on a video card, buy the 9800pro AIW card. You get the exact same performance as the 9800pro 128 or 256 version and same performance as the 5900 Ultra minus a average of 5-10 fps in some games. Whoopeedoo.(something the human eye cannot tell the difference from.) and you get all the video editing and special features and tv hook-ups, remote control that go with a AIW card. This is why Nvidia cheated in the bench tests. The 5900 IS A AMAZING CARD. But not that amazing when compared to the 9800 Ultra. A card that has a slower clock speed and larger die-size is beating it in some important tests. Something Nvidia is still crying about. Nvidia cannot score a decisive victory over ATI's latest card the same way the 9700pro destroyed the 4600ti. Nvidia is still trying to do that. It won't happen. Times have changed. And Nvidia. Stop dropping visual quality just to pump out a few extra frames per second. This is exactly what killed 3DFX. And those PR ad's you are taking out promoting your card as the best thing since sliced bread....show us performance. Not ad campaigns fuel by your PR department. Like this press release:"GeForce FX Getting Props:Biz Yahoo has a write up on NVIDIA’s latest. The GeForce FX 5900 Ultra is getting the accolades that the 5800 Ultra didn’t get because let’s face it, the 5900 Ultra is a better / quieter card. You can see our review here for a refresher.Editor's Note: Actually this is not a Yahoo story at all but rather an NVIDIA Press Release written by

.....Editor's Note: Actually this is not a Yahoo story at all but rather an NVIDIA Press Release written by NVIDIA. I don't remember a lot of press releases in the past to the likes of this one. It is apparent that NVIDIA's products are not flying off the shelves and selling themselves as we have seen in the past. Or at least that is what I would think with this sort of self-pimpage going on. I have an idea that NVIDIA desktop products sales are way down compared to 12 or 24 months ago. - Kyle"Following the footsteps of 3DFX to a tee. It's almost scary......

>>>The 5900 Ultra is just too expensive. $500! The 9800pro 128meg version is $100 cheaper and holds up to it, even beating it in some tests. Even doing better against the 5900 non-ultra.<<<Firstly, the 9800pro has been on hte shelf for a while now, and secondly, thats not all manufacturers that retail it at that price, there are cheaper ones, hell, there are 9800pros the same price, just that not every retailer sells the same prices etc.Maybe they cant beat the 9700pro, the way it did the ti4600. But the technology is at a maximum, and so theres nowhere near the amount of room for improvement. Its kinda hard to make a card almost twice as fast as the 9700pro/9800pro, when the AGP is already maxed out.... thats why there both having PCIXpress for there next cards, we will see then how both cards beat the 9800pro/5900ultras.... since PCIXpress is alot faster, 100x is possible i think... =)

gee.. i remember when we used to argue about 3dfx and nvidia, as far as which one was better but in the end nvidia won... now it it is ati and nvidia...they both make good cards, but this upgrading every 6 months can get expensive..he he i prefer Ati only cause i use the all in wonder version.. of the cards..and ati does not have to cheat to get a good benchmark score... but we shall see so wins in the end...

This sounds more like a PR statement from Nvidia's website then it does an article.

I think it pretty much is just a pasted PR statement. It should be a really good video card.Having said that, the 9800pro all in wonder is only 450 retail. I'd buy that if I didn't already have my 9700pro.

I am DR DEATH. I have no girlfriend. All I talk about is graphic card. Would you like to be my friend. I will show you what I got. :D

hahahahaa, dumb f**kers try to put pictures on the internet that were taken with the 5900 ultra and expect people to be amazed. picture quality can only get to go untill you cant notice, its a proven fact. its a nice card, but my 9800 pro is a nice card too. my eyes cant see 150 fps anyway. people take this shit way to far. nvidia's a nice company and so is ati. you know they are, its just people dont want to believe it.

All of you are you saying that you can really tell the difference between 128mb graphics and 256mb graphics?!? I can hardly tell the difference between 64mb and 128mb why you all arguing jus don't bother buying it if you don't want it. I aint paying that price for something that I can't tell the difference, the American's are all too big-headed and really no one likes them anyway so :-p

i bought it so i own an ati 9800 AND nvidia 5900 and what i can say is nvidia is way better. so if you don't try it for yourself, just STFU ati fan boys!!!

Yeah, I'm a big liar too, dude, you're not alone.

what a load of bullsh!t. its no faster than the 9800pro.

i have an ati 9800pro and a 5900 and compared to ati, nividias iq is crap

rofl faster than radeon 9800 pro ?? in the last patch for 3dmark 2003, nvidia's scores for fx5900 ultra go down from 6000 to 4800. And Ati's radeon 9800pro was at a stable position about 5000. So who cheated ?

ATI cheated & so did Nvidia. What wrong with cheating? I cheat on my test. I cheat with gameshark when I play PS2 games. What the hell is wrong with cheating? Everyone cheats to make their life easier. If these company want to cheat to make more money, then you are sucked into buying one. Most of geeks are stupid to fall for the fastest & the latest card.

lol ati's 6x fsaa is better than nv's 8x, just shows how shite nv are, i just came off a ti 4800 onto a 9800 pro and f**k me the quality and speed is 10x better....not a problem with the drivers yet compaired to the shit dets from my nv

pci express can handle 250mb/s bandwidth on each pin

and pci express are all seprate so they dont have to share bus bandwidth like agp does, so all your cards will have their own bus :p

People need to understand that it isn't about the speed, It's all about compatability. All games are designed to run on certain specs. Most games are still designed to run on NVidia (Microsoft, Sierra, ect...) ATI and NVidia are two seperate companies and in that respect have two different integration schemes with the CPU. One may seem faster than the other but the quality depends on the program running the card. To tansfer the required information might relativly take more strings of code from one application to the next. Look at your game and find out what the game designer prefers, that is the best answer.

You pay shit you get shit....

---------Anonymousat 9:35 26/6/2003You pay shit you get shit.... ------------LOL.....Its so true

You don't need Nvidia for compatibility. Thats why you have DirectX or OpenGL, to abstract the hardware. Heck I play games on my workstation card with its funky chip I've never even heard of. Dang fast even if the drivers aren't optimized for games. Nvidia is marketing its cards aggressively, and they need to, with ATI running neck and neck. Nvidia in a single product cycle could easily end up in the same boat as 3DFX if they fail to deliver on their lofty promises.

Its another way for Microsoft to kill off OpenGL. Microsoft force ATI & Nvidia to enforced DirectX compatible card. All we left with is to choose between ATI & Nvidia. Its pathetic because you can't choose other product over these two highly overrated graphic card companies. Yes ATI & Nvidia are way too OVERRATED with their card.

I don't tihnk Nvidia will die out, and if you are relying on 3dmark 03 or any other Benchmark to determine what card you want to buy you aren't going to get what you expected. There are very few benchmarks that show relevent numbers, and 3d mark is definatly not one of them. The product cycle on nvida is constant. The geforce 4 was in r&d at the same time the geforce 2 was released. The FX series wasn't the huge card they hoped it to be, but the 5900 is supposed to make up for that, and no its not competing with the next gen ati card, its competing with the 9800, and both cards perform nearly identical. IMO the 5900 will get much better with later revisions of drivers, and you can't say that Nvidia has shitty drivers, Nvidia has great driver support. ATI was the one with driver problems if anyone can remember, and now they have a decent driver pack (catalyst). Both cards are doing very well, its just like the bitching between intel and amd products. Right now they both perform as well as the other. Its just a matter of maufacturer loyalty right now, if that even matters to anyone.and as forPile Driverat 19:52 24/6/2003you forgot to cite your source from HardOCP.

Gentlemen and Ladies, its been great being here, but too much fanboy dramatics, too much time wasted reading brainless posts. I just may check in everyone once in a while. But this here, if my Opt-out. Goodbye all! You shall be missed, especially Dr.Death, DeQuosaek, that Anonymous guy that keeps posting every few minutes, and yes, even HAJI. Farewell, I been adue.

I seriously doubt anyone here has both cards. I doubt many people even have one or the other.

COME ON YOU CAN'T COMPARE INTEL TO AMD. INTEL OWNS f**kING MOST OF THE MARKET. INTEL MAKE A BETTER CHIP, THEIR TECHNOLOGY IS ALWAYS IMPROVING. WHILE AMD HAS BEEN STUCK WITH THE f**kING ATHLON CORE FOR HOW LONG NOW, 10 YEARS! THE PRESCOT CORE WILL REIGN SUPREME.

definitely ati's fsaa and af is far superior than nvidia's.

the 9800pro is the best card out. the the nv35 will be short live since ati will be releasing the r360 on a .15 fab i might add.

PRAMMA IS A CRY BABY WHO CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT OF ARGUEMENT. WAH....YOU ARE SUCH A PUSSY.

"ConclusionLet's break down performance of both cards and see which one comes out on top.UT2k3 - FX 5900 Ultra - While both cards perform well, the FX 5900 comes out on topAquaMark - R9800 Pro - The R9800 takes home the gold in this real-world benchmarkComanche 4 - R9800 Pro - The R9800 also wins out by an edge for this nearly obsolete benchmarkSpecviewperf 7.0 - R9800 Pro - This one is really close but the #'s lean to the R9800Code Creatures - FX 5900 Ultra - The 5900 beats up the R9800 pretty good in this intensive benchmarkSplinter Cell - R9800 Pro - Hands down, the R9800 takes it in this awesome game from UBISoftShaderMark - R9800 Pro - While the FX 5900 Ultra makes a good showing, the R9800 wins this one3DMark 01 SE Build 330 - R9800 Pro - The R9800 takes top honors with this tried and true synthetic benchmark3DMark 03 Build 320 - FX 5900 Ultra - Should we include this? Possibly not, however the FX 5900 wins with WHQL Det Drivers3D Visual Quality - R9800 Pro hands downAnd the winner is.........The FIC ATi Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB. We compared these cards in every category we could think of and in the end, we saw better performance overall from the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. Did the FX 5900 fail to impress us? No, not at all. We believe both cards are worthy of any good system but we do have to tip our hats to the excellent performance that the Radeon 9800 Pro has showed us here today."And the test compared the 5900Ultra $499.99 vs. 9800pro $399.99The 5900 Ultra has the 256megs and the 9800pro at $399.99 has only 128megs. It's pretty clear what card to but. Nvidia, too expensive for the Ultra. And the non-Ultra 5900 loses in more in some tests to the 9800pro.

Yeah, it's funny how that press release totally fails to mention that it's performance increase is very, very small compared to ATI's best cards.It also renders at half the FP quality, it barely qualifies as a DX9 card.Ohhhh, that's one they don't want you to know about.FP stand for floating point BTW.

DirectX sucks.....people should abandon that piece of crap driver.

athlon is not a core jackassits only the name of the chipthe core is changing just as much as intels theres thunderbird barton clawhammer and sledgehammerf**k you guys are so stupid it doesnt even matter what you say or what is ever said to you....whats it like not even completeling 50% of your life and knowing youve already failed to make a difference

maybe AMD should rename their chips to athlon 1-(insert number that makes you horny here) to decrease the lame-ass's confusion like intel has done with all their pentiums...mother f**king fan boys, youd all f**k your cpus if they had holes

Hmm, I think I've been slagging off nVIDIA for their crappy 5800 for long enough.The king is dead. (9800)Long live the king!! (5900)

This is how I feel on Nvidia ok>?Watching every motion in myFoolish lover's gameOn this endless ocean finallyLovers know no shameTurning and returning to someSecret place insideWatching in slow motion asYou turn around and say..Take my breath awayTake my breath awayWatching I keep waitingStill anticipation loveNever hesitating to becomeThe fated onesTurning and returning to someSecret place to hideWatching in slow motion asYou turn to me and say..Take my breath awayTake my breath awayThrough the hourglass I saw youIn time you slipped awayWhen the mirror crashed I calledYou, and turned to hear you say..If only for today I am unafraidTake my breath awayTake my breath awayWatching every motion is thisFoolish lover's gameHaunted by the notion somewhereThere's a love in flamesTurning and returning to someSecret place insideWatching in slow motionAs you turn to me and say..Take my breath awayMy love.. take my breath away

in my opinion, the 9800 128 vrs the 5900, just isnt enough. 5900 is too much money for the few fps that it can do. sorry nvidia, next time mabye. you lost me as a customer. ati is the best right now.

poor moron nvidia have not the real smooth vision and the aniso is realy poor no graphic quality radeon 9800 is realy better i know this just because i look the good site not the place where nvidia put there face whit there wrong benchmark why 3dmark say nvidia have some wrong benchmark?3dmark will never say this after a couple comment from nvidia.

ATI YOU ROCK AND YOU STUPIDNVIDIALOVER DOSNT KNOW WHAT IS A REAL CARD OPEN YOUR EYES IF YOU HAVE 1 AND SEE THE DIFFERENCE

Microsoft wants to kill off OpenGL. In order to do that, Microsoft creates DirectX. ATI & Nvidia both are into DirectX crap. I, for one, aren't buying into Microsoft OpenGL killer scheme.

Haha all the Gaydeon fag boys must feel so crap there 9800pro's suck shit.............

.....don't understand shit about there cards with letters and numbers everywere like BFx3000 R9800...But theres something I do understand and its the fact thatI love cake......

Ati came out with all the first. DX9, the first full 8 pixel pipeline, 256 bit memory. Nvidia just had to copy, but no matter. Ati's R420 will have something like a 800mhz core, DDR2 at 256 bit memory controller, a full 16 pixel pipeline and two TMU's per pass. Hell when Ati was asked what fabrication process they planned to use for the R420 they said possibly a 90nm.So f**k all of you faggot Nvidiots. Nvidia didn't even have an answer to the R300 for like 6 or 7 months. The Loki project also involves Synapps.