Does sex belong in video games?

Mass Effect Sex

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Tits and ass are incredibly prevalent in modern society. Sex is used to sell products in advertising, actors are shamefully primped into digitally crafted sex symbols and TV shows like Toddlers in Tiaras, stretch the definition of acceptable television viewing. Sex is everywhere, but oddly, not in our games.

With the recent pulling of No Reply Games' sex focused, interactive story 'game' “Seduce Me” from Valve's Greenlight service due to breaking of the terms and conditions – for being an “offensive” title – sex is back in the headlines of gaming websites the world over, all of them asking the question, “does sex belong in video games?”

It could be argued that games purely focused around sex are pornographic in nature and therefore warrant some sort of segmentation perhaps, in the way it is with websites and traditionally with stores that cater specifically to it.

But what about games that just feature sex as a feature or component of the overall experience?

Every time a popular title attempts to put anything sex like in its games that goes beyond a fade to black and some grunts, there's a problem. Look at GTA: San Andreas' Hot Coffee mod, or the blue side boob that appeared for a brief second in Mass Effect 2. It all gets blown out of proportion, people that haven't even played the game or seen footage of the event start screaming “save the children,” and to some it seems as if the world is going to end.

Of course it never does and children are as corrupted as their parents allow them to be. These games have age ratings for a reason and if parents choose to ignore them it's their responsibility to set it right, or at least explain things to their kids so they understand and learn about the adult activity in a constructive way.

But should it be there in the first place? Well the obvious answer would be yes, for a variety of reasons.

1: Taking into consideration the age ratings I mentioned earlier, the average gamer is in their 30s at this point. Not only have they had sex, they've been living with internet pornography for over 15 years. Believe me, unless you're doing a game adaptation of The Serbian Film, this is nothing we haven't seen before.

2: Unless it's Manhunt, where ritualistic killing was censored because... it's the game the lobby groups decided to go after, murder barely raises an eyebrow from anyone. Killing is rampant in games. Just look at the fast Paragon leveller in Diablo III. He's killed almost two million monsters alone. If he can commit mass murder, why can't a game have a sex scene in it?

3: Sex is a part of life. For anyone that doesn't know, it's how babies are made. Shocking I know, but we all began our life at a moment of parental coitus and society is slowly beginning to lose the taboo. It's still there – and enjoyed by many – but the simple fact is that sex shouldn't be considered a naughty thing any more. It's in films, in advertising, television and there is absolutely no reason it shouldn't be in our games.

However, despite these very obvious reasons that sex should be included in games and accepted by the public as a simple part of the artistic medium, the blame isn't entirely on the shoulders of complainers. Game developers could also help the cause out.

Despite the criticism for its leud content, Mass Effect actually has an incredibly impressive and deeply emotional erotic part to it but it is a rarity. More often than not, we get adventurers fucking hookers, or silly quick time sex games or button mashing to fuck harder. This isn't the type of thing that detractors of sexual content in gaming are going to agree with, probably ever.

No I'm not saying that because lobbyists and complainers have stale sex lives that games should be the same, but there isn't a reason that sex can't be used as an emotional connector between characters either.

Games focused around getting the clothes off of a digital woman should be just as allowed to exist in our gaming spheres as the latest AAA blockbuster, but they don't further the cause of sex in video games as much as they could.

Not only do I believe that sex deserves to be a part of gaming, I think it deserves to have more credit as a part of the emotional story within a game. It doesn't need to be your character just getting his rocks off, or a nudge-nudge-wink-wink from the developers saying “we know what you gamers want, digital titties,” but a real way for players to connect with a character.

We talked a few weeks about about how Lara Croft's surviving of an attempted rape could be used to delve into all sorts of new character emotions within a game. How about include a sex scene in that game not long after the rape and make it optional. Have it so that players can decide. If she goes along with it, perhaps Lara is emotionally distracted and merely trying to forget a horrific experience, thereby not building a relationship with the male counterpart. Perhaps if she says no, players can learn something about his character.

Sex is a massive motivator in human life and it should be used in games as well, not just as a treat or a laughable aside, but a real part of the gameplay. It can be part of the story and part of the world the developers create.

It doesn't always have to be, just as not every single racing game has to be a sim like experience, but just now and again I'd like to see some real effort put into sex.

That last line could have been phrased better.

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I Bet Everyone Agreeing With This Article Is Male

Just to inform EVERYONE of exactly HOW sex, a natural part of life, is effecting women by being used in basically every type of media, here's a study done by a University. And don't even bother replying to this; if you all want to send me hate comments for actually giving you guys FACTS, then go back to 4chan. I'm sure you'd all enjoy the porn and FEMALE celebrity nude pics on there.

it already is

sex appears in games already the same exact way it appears i movies. You can see tits and ass but they never show any actual sex ( that sort of thing is reserved for pornography.). So if movies and and tv handle it that way and we're all ok, then why can't commercial games handle it the same way? So yea sex is alreay all over video games.

really?

Sex is no more or less abundant in games than it is in movies/ tv shows. In no movie will they show a full on sex scene, You may see some nipples and some sensual kissing, but the same can be seen in video games. god of war and prince of persia had naked women.

lame

tits ass not if you leave out feet and heels then no it doesn't belong unless we all do And I feel the article is ignorant to the fact of not all of us like boobs

Wives don't like it either...

I can't play GTA V cause of the sex. :( Yeah, she doesn't like boobs bobbing around the screen for her own reasons, but don't want the kids seeing that either which means I'd have to lock myself in a room alone. Call me whipped or whatever, but if they are going to make sex a bigger part of games, they should be completely "skippable" and optional. Programmatically, that should not be all that difficult. Until then I guess I have to boycott raunchy games.

Raunchy? Sex in a video game

Raunchy? Sex in a video game is somehow raunchy? Does she also prevent you from watching the sex scenes in movies? Does she ask you to just skip over that part or does she tell you when you can open your eyes. Your wife is being unreasonable here. If she gets jealous of people that aren't even real, you've got problems. I had an ex that was like that. Turns out she was jealous because she actually did have a problem with fidelity. She wound up cheating on me at least one time I can prove. Beware man, people willing to get jealous over pixels are commonly projecting their own infidelity onto you. It's a way to make their own behaviors seen less bad.

Sidestepping the real issue here.

I believe that sex should be included in games that are age appropriate however I also feel like the author is side-stepping the actual issue which is over simplifying characters into sex objects. Including sex in games is very different than the rampant use of tits n ass in games.

I Disagree

Your assertion that the author simply side stepped the issue here is wrong in my opinion. The author specifically states that they would like to see more depth in the sexual relationships of characters in video games, something that helps drive a real emotional attachment to a character, not just using them as a one-dimensional sex object. You may have sidestepped an entire paragraph in this article, and ultimately the point of it.

Really?

The author of this is right, sex should be in games. Technically it already is a little bit, not really seen but implied. For example, Fable 2 or 3, Sims 3, Mass effect, and the GTA series. I mean what's so bad about sex? Its a natural thing in life, so how bad could it be. Heck some of the games we have today are the most brutal and violent games ever, its much worse than sex but yet its like its ignored in a way. Add violence to a game and we're cool, but add sex to a game and the world freaks out. If people don't want to see sex in a game or there kids to see it, then guess what...there's a thing called don't buy it! If you got a problem with it then just don't come in contact with it, that simple. Anyways sex could be used to bring characters closer and add emotion to the game, make it explode with that awesome emotion!!! Could make a game more exciting! :D

Eh

So long as the sexual content isn't strictly between a male and female then I don't care. But if our only options are hetero sexual content I would rather not. As many of the other commenters have said, no one gets a say in what i'm exposed to, i should be able to choose, etc.

evolution in action

The strong kill off the weak. This is evolution, survival of the fittest in action. We fight and kill, it is in our nature. It is how we keep the gene pool strong. The strong survive while the weak die off. It is a cold hard truth but it is what it is. Atheism, religion or something else, people will find any reason. A fundamentalist atheist killed a few muslims the other day. Go read Darwin, he makes this abundantly clear. We are animals after all are we not?

Apparently you haven't read

Apparently you haven't read anything from Darwin. Why does everyone get the whole "survival of the fittest" thing wrong? Its not about the strong killing off the weak, evolution is about the species that's best able to adapt to their surroundings.

sex in games

We have had games that depict sex, like Custer's revenge, since the age of Atari. The only company that seems to stay away from that stuff is Nintendo, which is a good move since the point of a video game company is to make money and a majority of their sales are to older women and children. By depicting sex in video games in a graphic way, you are limiting the people who will buy them. Games with an M rating cannot be sold to teenagers under the age of 17 without a parent, which is the second highest highest demographic. I wouldn't mind playing games with mature themes with my son or daughter, but I don't want to watch a porno with them. I'm okay with sex being depicted with games, but I guess only to the extent that television and movies would depict them, where you cannot see the genitalia, and the central theme is not the sex, it is just tastefully implemented somewhere in the middle. As we move forward, it is obvious we are going to see more of it in video games, though.

Well that's pretty much

Well that's pretty much exactly what the article was trying to point out. It can definitely be done tastefully and should be fine if the creator wants to put it in the game. I just think that a lot of developers tend to just stay on the safe side because of all the people who get butthurt over even the mention of sex, but that could stifle the artistic freedom of the developer. It is funny though how many parents disregard the ESRB Rating System when buying games for their kids only to get upset and complain about it later.

Sex In Games...

It is just my opinion, have been a dedicated videogame play for the last 25 years, but I think it is time we allow adult videogame players to decide for themselves to experience sex options in games. It should not be up to overly judgemental, non-gaming, women, or 40 year old virgins to decide what I, "33 year old gamer," am exposed to, it's my choice not yours!!! On that note, if you don't like the exposure to sex in video games, don't buy them anymore, and stop purchasing games for kids, or your children that don't meet the age standard on the game casing. DUH!!! Wake the hell up!!! Just an FYI!!!

the author forgot a game

The author forgot the biggest game of all the games containing sex though probably not everyones idea of a game it has a pegi 7 rating yet exposes the children playing it to sex in a way its not called sex in game but woohoo and also has try for baby option in the sims 3 and hell if you have the seasons expansion and elevators they can have sex in an elevator too however you don't see much in the game the characters having sex go under the duvet it ruffles a few second then they reappear in there sleepwear and in the elevator it just shows the doors close the doors rattle a little and then the characters emerge in what they were in in whatever case this sims fun bar stat raises a lot afterwards to show they enjoyed it and ea have got away with it in this popular franchise

Always thought it funny..

I find it funny that people are able to go into a game and be an assassin from assassin's creed, a pirate, a soldier of fortune, a vampire, a mobster and so on who do the most ruthless things, but the moment sex comes up it is considered bad content. Sorry, but in a game where you can rip someone's throat out or stab them in the eye with a machine, showing two people doing something which is natural seems rather pale in comparison. Just my two cents.

Well in drgons dogma, it is

Well in drgons dogma, it is implied that you have sex with your character's loved one after saving them from the dragon, but it isnt shown, nor is it vocalized. But it is used to show a love connection to him or her, and that is the way I think it should be. Implied, but not obvious, and nothing shown on screen.

Opnions are like assholes

I personally don't mind the appearance of adult themes in gaming. You tend to see a lot of comments on articles like this in which opinions, usually heavily skewed to one end of the spectrum or another, are stated as though they are fact. The only fact that can be truly said is what your preference is. Whether sexual or violent themes should be in a game or not is not for any one person to say, rather, it will be, as always, up to the artist to decide what themes should be mixed into their medium of choice.

No

Sex in video games in not needed, you can make the innuendo but please.... If I wanted to see pixel-ated porn I would go watch Hentai. Give me the CHOICE to block that sort of content if you must put it in games.

Lame

If its got to the point gamers need to play virtual sex games instead of having real sex, you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself. Unless you're past that point, (which, if playing sex games you probably are)

very dumb reasoning.

Your reasoning is very flawed. Directed at just one of several possible points of yours, you really think the "killing" in Diablo 3 is in the exact same context as in Manhunt eh? Wow. Anyways, keep pushing games in the movie direction and people will eventually just stop playing them, they will no longer be massive cash cows and all these losers riding the "gaming is Cool now" wave will go back to television and other hobbies. I can't wait for that day actually. So by all means: more dating sim games, thank-you.

huh

First off I wanna say that I think the Diablo III thing was meant to be a bit of a joke, but why do you think people will only be watching television if they add tasteful sex scenes in games? They aren't talking about making dating sim games, they are talking about adding to the narrative of a game by adding sex as a means to give more depth to character relationships and make them have more meaning overall. I don't understand why you think a deeper story and more meaningful characters would drive people away from games, unless it's the kids who are just looking for FPS games where everyone runs around calling each other fags, we could all do with less of those people.

why not have the console

why not have the console itself edit content? make a rating adult - non adult for gamer tags or or accounts can be set Adult / Child then the console or game dosn't allow that content? this could keep children "safe" and adults can enjoy games the way they were intended.

You can do that, I know for

You can do that, I know for certain the xbox has a parental control feature where you limit what kinds of games your kids play. You can do anything from blocking a certain ESRB Rating from being able to be played, blocking dvd use unless authorized by the master account or even blocking access to xbox live if you feel they shouldn't be playing online. The problem is though that there are parents that don't take advantage of those features and knowingly buy games that are rated higher than what their children should be playing. Then those parents become outraged when they find something they don't agree with in the game and get butthurt about it. All the responsibility really falls on the parents to actually know what it is that they're buying and letting their kids play, be involved and limit what they can access depending on what you see as fit for their age.

what's the big deal?

I'm with the author in saying that sex is a natural part of life and that it's absence from mature titles is somewhat odd. It seems strange to me that ultra violence is seen as less adult than sex. I don't have a problem with either, because a game is fantasy, and art should be free of censorship. It's odd as a society we see sex as more evil than murder, but we probably have the bible to thank for that. I would personally like to see more sex in games as a way to add emotional depth to story and character relationships and to give the game a more real feel. The absence of sex in a story about adults to me is something that takes away from realism because it is such a large and natural part of human life. I do hope such scenes are done with class instead of some kind of cheap objectification though because god knows we have enough of that already.

Get over it

This article is one person's view, and all these butthurt comments from whiny 'anti-sex' gamers is sad. Why? Sex is a normal component of life no matter who you are. If you see a side boob or cleavage IRL, do you go 'eww' and run away screaming? No, you look, it's human nature. Enforce the game ratings more, to make it harder for young people under 13 to purchase it, or have parents do their damn job and be involved with their kids' hobbies to try and know what they play and why. Above 18 players, make it optional..one could play a more 'adult' version, or the tone downed where people can kill, steal, etc. without the T & A component. (I'm NOT saying make a porn version of a game w/the RPG pieces either.) Or maybe, if you could NOT BUY the frackin' game if digital/virual nudity and/or sex freaks you out. All this whiny preachy crap doesn't change anything, your wallets do. If game co. A sees they're losing $ over a 'sexy' game, they won't make another. Grow up and get a pair, or take 'em out of your mom's/GF/wives' purse and use 'em.

I'm all for using games to

I'm all for using games to raise awareness of certain issues. But some themes don't belong together. For example, if you bought a video game predicated on the idea of mass slaughter of aliens or zombies, then is was probably not your intention to engage in a raging hot sex scene. More over it raises the question of sensitivity. What if the person in question is Homosexual? What if they are Asexual? If you want to make it an option that's fine. But it shouldn't bar you from advancing your relations with that character. S3x should be supplemental, not instrumental.

That doesn't make any sense.

That doesn't make any sense. Nothing in that sentence has anything to do with having actually had sex (or not had sex, as the case may be.) There is no logical reason for that sentence to "discredit" the validity of this statement. The statement is true, as by using "today's society" as the operative phrase, the OP has already set the comparison to history, wherein sex was a private thing and was to be kept locked away from impressionable minds. In modern society, (i.e. today) sex is an open topic explored on nearly every channel on television, every blog on the web, and just about every company uses sex-based ads to sell their product. That's a valid and proven point. At this point, you just sound like an idiot, who has no capacity for rational thought.

Adults Continuing Education

God of War's sex scene was kind of atrocious. It didn't accomplish much story telling. Mass Effect's approach was much better. Allowing sex to be in some games does not mean forcing sex to be in all games. No one is sexualizing lumines. Catherine was also awesome for all of it's adult themes. Women do get oversexualized in videogames, and there should be more games that don't do that. Men get oversexualized with their clothes on in video games, and there should be more games that don't do that. I propose a game where the player jumps into video games and fixes the outfits on the characters and is encouraged to make them look as professional as possible. The beautiful thing about video games is that with a virtual representation we can represent an infinite number of parallel realities, and we can also represent nearly every concept within our own reality. We should in every case be using this to expose to and educate ourselves in every way it is possible to do so, for every group of people that can possibly use it to further our development as humans. Video games should be neutral in the way that doctors should be neutral. Doctors are meant to heal people regardless of affiliations in any sense and much like that video games should be allowed to expose us to any concept or situation that we would be exposed to, so as to better educate ourselves in what would be protocal for those situations. The idea of portraying a rape is very triggering. It is also a very powerful tool. No we do not want to force anyone who has been victimized to relive anything. However, thinking about movies with messages that have had a powerful effect on me, I can turn to A Clockwork Orange, Braveheart, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo as a few examples of where rape was portrayed as a negative thing and had a very powerful effect on me emotionally. This is a tool to discourage the act from happening. Consider a game where a male main character is raped maybe if you are afraid of the portraying of a woman. Have the story dive into the psychological effects of that event on that character. This would be profound. Focus on the event being a negative thing for everyone rather than focusing on exactly who it was happening to and it would have a positive effect. Create a game where the player is a bystander and the main goal of the game is preventing rapes. This would be positive. It is not something that should be done lightly, or even often, but it is something that could have a real effect. On sex, including consensual sex where both parties use protection would be fantastic. Including consensual sex where parties don't use protection and then a child is born and the player has to deal with the repercussions is also great. Video games can be used as a learning tool. Everyone wants to promote this ideal or that one. Use video games. Doesn't anyone remember the outrage about censoring books? We need fictitious space to explore what we otherwise wouldn't. Don't burn books people.

you dumb crackers

why is it always brought up that lara croft survived attempted rape? that's not fucking impressive considering for the rest of the goddamn game she's surviving attempted murder on a huge fucking scale. i'd way rather have some dude try to rape me than fucking get shot at. fucking priorities, people.

Peeps below me

I'd just like to point out that what this man/woman making this article meant wasn't just itemized females, or males. This is just the kind of sex that feel like love, not just a large porno of none intimate garbage. Something that even the girl gamers would enjoy, and be able to say "Aww" To. Something to touch your heart, not to stimulate you genitalia. I've played many games, mass effect being one of them. I enjoyed the love portions in the game, I felt a real attachment to the the characters. I loved the story, and when they had sex I didn't mind the fade to black. I know what they are doing, and I find it in good taste with the story. What good love story is complete without sex? It doesn't need to be graphic, and perhaps they could make it optional, a toggle-able option? I wouldn't be in it for the sexual stimulation, I would like it for the story, the immersion! I played numerous role-playing games, specifically Gmod ClockWork Halflife 2 RP. We did have DETAILED ERP [Erotic-Role-Play] I enjoyed this aspect because it made me feel attached not only to my character but to the character my character has the romance with. Granted this type of ERP is VERY graphic, much more like Pornography than what this author meant, but it still provided the story, and attachment I wanted. I understand that people don't like to see this in games because it may or may not Itemize females. I for one enjoy games where the females AND male are fully clothed, only when the romance happens do I wish them to be less clothed, I don't see males or females as "Eye candy" I do see them as potential mates, but that is only my human instincts talking, I love my opposite sex, no matter what.

The people who posted below me.[Opinionated]

I'd just like to point out that what this man/woman making this article meant wasn't just itemized females, or males. This is just the kind of sex that feel like love, not just a large porno of none intimate garbage. Something that even the girl gamers would enjoy, and be able to say "Aww" To. Something to touch your heart, not to stimulate you genitalia. I've played many games, mass effect being one of them. I enjoyed the love portions in the game, I felt a real attachment to the the characters. I loved the story, and when they had sex I didn't mind the fade to black. I know what they are doing, and I find it in good taste with the story. What good love story is complete without sex? It doesn't need to be graphic, and perhaps they could make it optional, a toggle-able option? I wouldn't be in it for the sexual stimulation, I would like it for the story, the immersion! I played numerous role-playing games, specifically Gmod ClockWork Halflife 2 RP. We did have DETAILED ERP [Erotic-Role-Play] I enjoyed this aspect because it made me feel attached not only to my character but to the character my character has the romance with. Granted this type of ERP is VERY graphic, much more like Pornography than what this author meant, but it still provided the story, and attachment I wanted. I understand that people don't like to see this in games because it may or may not Itemize females. I for one enjoy games where the females AND male are fully clothed, only when the romance happens do I wish them to be less clothed, I don't see males or females as "Eye candy" I do see them as potential mates, but that is only my human instincts talking, I love my opposite sex, no matter what.

The Obvious Answer is "No"

Your argument makes no room for love. Casual sex is fine for consenting adults, but, there are some people who choose (for moral reasons, religious reasons, or just self respect) not to have casual sex. Women in games are not equals, and therefore they are relegated to being objects/toys (for titillation) and victims. If men were also objectified or if women were equally clothed/covered up as fellow soldiers in proper attire, then we could argue about what is degrading, but since it’s only the women who are being degraded, I object to your cavalier attitude, and I think sex and degrading women has no place in games. Yes “tits and ass are incredibly prevalent in modern society” but that doesn’t make it okay. There actually are lots of tits and asses, I mean women, who wear normal clothes and don't go around all ‘sexed-up’ for the viewing pleasure of men. There are women who think that presenting scantily clad cheerleaders at football games is like putting us on a plate like food—We’re served up as eye candy for men to enjoy with their violent sport (the same thing applies to video games) and that’s a bad message to send young girls and boys. There are no scantily clad male cheerleaders even though there are gay football players (and viewers). And when women play football, it’s in lingerie?! Oh come on! “Seduce Me” IS an objectionable title, and sex in games IS pornography. You write: “It could be argued that games focused around sex are pornographic in nature and therefore warrant some sort of segmentation perhaps, in the way is it with websites and traditionally with stores that cater specifically to it.” Yes! It should be argued. Yes, segmentation. You may be okay with it all but that doesn’t make it ‘right’ or okay with everyone. It’s not just about “[saving] the children” this stuff hurts women as well. You can’t put it off on parents as if it’s okay to put anything you want in video games because we’re “adults”. I would love to hear that conversation: The one where you explain the “adult activity” to your daughter. See honey, you’re just a set of tits and ass. So when you grow up, just make sure you walk around with lots of cleavage and short skirts and high heels. The less you cover the better. We want to imagine what it would be like to fuck you and clothes just get in the way of our fantasies. Wear as little as possible. If your boobs are big we want to see the side boob sticking out of your shirt, and don’t worry if your tits or ass aren’t big enough to turn us on, we have surgeries to fix that. We want all tits and ass, I mean all girls, to be as big and plastic and fake as possible. We don’t want you to talk either. Just let us fuck you for sport, and then we’ll leave. I also don't think sex belongs on film. I feel no inclination to watch pornography. For me, sex (love) is a special and private thing between two people who care about each other (or it should be). Anything else is just a different form of masturbation. And there are PLENTY of people who have not been "living with internet pornography for 15 years", nor living with pornography at all, haven’t seen it, don’t want to see it. Don’t say it’s “nothing we haven’t seen before” like all adults have seen pornography. There are plenty who haven’t and consider it wrong. Sex as sport cheapens the human experience and the participants. It's voyeurism and that is not something everyone is comfortable with. Some people don’t want to see that. It makes some people uncomfortable. It’s like walking in on your friends or parents or even strangers having sex. That’s not something I want to see. Maybe you do, but you have to allow that it’s not for everyone. And talking about it like it’s cool to be okay with it, doesn’t make it cool or okay. “He’s killed almost two million monsters alone. If he can commit mass murder, why can’t a game have a sex scene in it?” These are two different things. The monsters are not real. Women are real. Women are people too. We are not just tits and ass and pretty naked things to be fucked in a game. You write well and your argument shows your mindset, but that is not a scenario that is good for women nor okay with me, so I felt compelled to comment. I hope you will not get all troll-y or defensive because I’m arguing my points. No, the world will not end. What will happen, and is happening, is that women continue to be beaten, raped, murdered, mutilated, sold as sex slaves. Sexual slavery of women and children is a $32 Billion dollar business, so don’t think it’s harmless. It’s such a huge problem former President Jimmy Carter has written a book about it and calls it a human rights crisis. Objectification of (women and) sex as casual entertainment feeds this hunger for the fantasy of casual sex with and hurting, even killing women. If instead of interacting with a women as a person, one sits at home and watches the way women they are treated in video games (and masturbates/or doesn’t but gets turned on), it will take a similar experience to turn you on in the real world. As you selfishly waste your seed on pleasuring yourself, you get gratification. Then you don’t need to make an effort to ‘get off’ with a real live girl. Or if you don’t masturbate, and go out looking for a live woman, she still won’t turn you on like the images in the game, and any meaningful human interaction is lost in your fantasies. This is why I object to CosPlay where women are scantily clad. I blame games. It’s just this kind of bullshit that is spilling over into real life. Are you going to have any kind of meaningful relationship with one of those girls? CosPlay is just proof of the damage games are doing. You want to dress that way for the man you’re already in a meaningful relationship with. Great, just don’t go out in public that way. Would you dress that way in front of your son or daughter? You wrote: “The simple fact that sex shouldn’t be considered a naughty thing anymore.” Sigh. There is nothing simple about this. There is a place for naughty and that is not in video games. Sex is ‘naughty’, love is not. If you’re going to bring morality into it, what you’re saying is nothing should be naughty. There are no morals. Here’s the thing: You have to decide who you are. I learned early on after reading The Scarlet Letter what morality means to each of us, and how it affects a person if you decide something is wrong but then you don’t live up that standard—you lose everything meaningful. You have to decide what kind of man you are. What is meaningful to you. Are you the kind who lets someone get attacked and you don’t stop to help? Are you okay with someone stealing from the workplace or would you turn them in? These are decisions that we make based on what we consider right and wrong. So make these choices and define yourself. “I’m not that kind of man.” Then when those situations arise you know what to do because you know who you are. Is what you’re saying that it’s okay to have sex with women in public? Games are pretty public. They get sold on a worldwide level. So you’re okay with showing the whole world that sex means so little to you, you can participate recreationally. That there should be women you can treat this way? If there are women stupid enough to dress this way in public, then it’s okay to fuck and dump them? I REALLY don’t even want to get into a discussion about the rape part of your remarks. Rape is also not recreational. Only someone who doesn’t understand how devastating it is could speak about it as a plot line for entertainment. No one who has been raped has any ‘fantasy’ about it. That’s just the male fantasy talking. No woman wants to be raped. If she thinks she does, ask her afterwards. I bet if you got raped you’d think differently. As you may have heard, it’s not about sex, it’s about power, humiliation, pain, and is an act of violence. It makes me sad that you think sex (not love!) “deserves” to be a part of gaming. That there is emotion involved and it could be a “real way for players to connect with a character.” You’re making my point for me. Go connect with a real person. “How about include a sex scene in that game not long after the rape and make it optional.” Optional for who? I was just raped, but hey, lets’ fuck! How long do you think it takes to recover from rape? It’s not something anyone ever recovers from. It changes you forever. “Have it so that players can decide. If she goes along with it, perhaps Lara is emotionally distracted and merely trying to forget a horrific experience, thereby not building a relationship with the male counterpart.” That is like a peek behind the curtain I wish I could unsee. What? If she goes along with it? What if she doesn’t? Now you want rape in games? Emotionally distracted? More like devastated. Surprisingly you have hit upon a truth here. After being raped many women become promiscuous and blame themselves. Men should not capitalize on this. Something about what you said makes it seem like you have a fantasy of wanting to have a sex with a woman that was raped. Is it that once she’s raped, she’s garbage and you’d like her to go along with it even though she’s emotionally distracted because that way you won’t have to build a relationship with her? You got that it’s a horrific experience, so how come you don’t get that she might not want to be fucked again for a really long time. I wrote “have sex again” but that just doesn’t sound like what it is. I guess that’s what bothers me the most. I hear this as “She just got fucked, let’s have the option to fuck her again.” “Sex is a massive motivator in human life and it should be used in games as well, not just as a treat or a laughable aside, but a real part of the gameplay. It can be part of the story and part of the world the developers create.” This is not sex this is love. What are you trying to do here? “It doesn't always have to be, just as not every single racing game has to be a sim like experience, but just now and again I'd like to see some real effort put into sex.” You want effort? Make some. Sex has little effort beyond gratification. You want it to feel real, feel better? Go connect with a person. Women like this might as well be blow-up dolls. Seems where we’re headed. Try to think of your grandmother, your mother, your sister, your daughter. Is this the future you want for them. Recreational objects? I KNOW, trust me, I see it all day long, it’s hard for men (and way too many women) to see that this cavalier attitude about casual sex and being adult hurts all females, but it does. Someday, when men are equally abused and objectified, we’ll have true equality. Until then, stop treating us like things. P.S. Lewd is spelled with a "w".

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