AMD Briefs on Barton and Hammer

Following the release of the XP2700+ and XP2800+, AMD has already begun briefing its motherboard partners on the speeds and features of its upcoming Barton and Hammer chips.
The reasoning behind these briefings, according to AMD, is that partners need to be prepared for the changes introduced by these chips but the timing of the briefings suggests that they were used as a means to soften the blow caused by the expected delay of the chips.
OEM partners just found out that they will not be receiving clawhammer samples within October, as expected, instead, they will have to wait until the end of January 2003.
The facts the briefings contained about the new cores however, were extremely interesting.

Barton

The Barton will start at 2800+ and will feature a 512K level two cache, expected to produce a performance increase of about 10 percent. The Barton based chips will peak at 3000+.
The last processor to carry a 266MHz front side bus will be the 2600+.

Production of the 1.3GHz Duron will cease at the end of this year, with quantities available expected to last until the first quarter of 2003.

The Hammer core chips will start at a PR of 3400+, leaving a gap between the end of Barton and the beginning of the Hammer range.

AMD also provided its partners with figures about global sales.
North America and Europe both yielded 21 per cent of AMD desktop usage, while in Eastern According to the company then, in North America and Europe AMD has a 24 percent of the market, in Japan it has 31 percent, APAC 17 percent and the rest of the world 34 percent.

Consumers and enthusiasts make up 40 percent of AMD's business, with education being responsible for seven percent and government nine percent of sales.

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AMD Briefs on Barton and Hammer

Who cares if it beats it or not, the competion is sweet. It insures that INTEL WILL HAVE TO BRING OUT SOMETHING TO COUNTER IT, WHICH THEY WILL. By the end of this year you will see INTEL with a 3 gig chip. And AMD will release these chips later on. Finally AMD will give INTEL a real run for it's money. Which ever chip is faster and if it's reasonable priced, i will buy it. I have no favorites.

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hey Anonymous, about your comment on the 400mhz FSB of intel, it is uses dual pipeline technology which means that its not a full 533 or 400mhz FSB, so if you got a AMD Athlon CPU and gave it a dual pipeline, then you would have 2 times 33mhz or 2 times 266mhz etc. depending on your FSB settings, but please do some reseach before you start mouthing off about things you know nothing about

AMD Briefs on Barton and Hammer

I have friends who prefer AMD and I have friends who like Intel better, but I'm stuck inbetween. I am going to get another system in a few months from now, whether it be Intel or AMD I don't know. I think both processors are great, but AMD does need to catch up a little. The latest P4 is at 2.8 Ghz and the latest AMD is at 1.7 Ghz (I think?), so with this new porcessor it will actually contend to Intels clock speed.With that new competition, we might be seeing 4.0 Ghz processors very soon.

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Pramma, to answer your question I have a 2.4 chip. But the guy who posted last is dead on. Yeah, I work for Intel, but as a gamer I LOVE AMD. Intel made great strides in speed, but Intel felt the sting of being beaten to the 1 gig. ( by all of 15 days) Fast forward 18 months....Intel is now ahead of Moores Law and will soon have a 1 gig lead on AMD. Forget corporate hoohah and bs "fanboys". God bless competition.

AMD Briefs on Barton and Hammer

Intel - WAY bloated prices, GREAT performance, more 3rd party support (Due to holding the greater marketshare)AMD - VERY reasonable prices, good performance, good 3rd party supportVIA (Cyrix) - Low power consumption,...... um...... low power consumption.... and uhhh.....OH YEA! LOW LOW prices!...uhhh........Conclusion - If you must have the newest of the new and fastest, definately get intel. If you want compareable performance that wont eat a hole in your pocket, get AMD. If you have no money, or have to run your computer off of a 9 volt battery, get the VIA C3.AMD and INTEL both deliver very good performance. VIA delivers... well... a processor. So just look at your budget and decide what you can accomodate! Either way you shouldn't be dissapointed! Well.... except for the third way....

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Hey simpleton/sympozium u r a chowderhead. Dual pipeline 400mhz = 800mhz. Something AMD has been striving to have for ages is dual pipeline memory. If it rox AMD will try to steal it, no? MAN you are STUPID. Why dont you do a little research your damn self before you start mouthin off? Nvidia swears up and down they will bring dual channel DDR to the AMD motherboard scene BECAUSE ITS FASTER. Even if AMDs new 333mhz front side bus got dual channel memory then: 2x 333mhz = 666mhz which is still slower than 800 mhz by 133mhz.(399mhz slower than 1066mhz too) See there little one, I told you some other things you didnt know, yet still Im not charging you for lessons. Go back to school fool.:)

AMD Briefs on Barton and Hammer

ture, both amd and intel make top class processors. but it dependends on what you are gonna use it for. Intel is only great at its memory bandwidth which means its a pretty good base for a video editing system, although id still recommend apple g4 for that job, games goto amd. the couple of things that intel do better than amd is no excuse to have such high price tags. amd is the best all rounder processors. so eventhough amd is behind in clock speeds their processors get more bandwidth per cycle, so when amd get upto intel's speeds intel will be pretty much left behind. and it will happen. intel in focused more on speed not performance,i think performance should be on the top of the list, not speed.

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Anonymous, u dont work 4 intel.u dont even kno ur facts, hahahahaYeah but because it is dual pipeline does not mean that both pipelines are fully used all the time and that the processor and board combo must allow for the dual pipeline system to work. so even with the best board the full 800mhz wont be used at any one time.intel also ncludes a shitload more pins on their processors then they need to for the dual pipeline so when you buy one you need to pull some off them off so that you can short some bridges out to make the Cpu work. how screwed in the head is that. please explaine that 2 meAnonymous. by the way amd's 3dnow pro kicks all of the intel optimisations, and then amd has most of them aswell, so it turns good into awesome, simple as that. im not dissin intel at all, its just that i dont kno that the fuk they think they are doing, if they keep this up they will be up2 the 0.09 5ghz processors, if amd is still at 3ghz at this time, but by that time amd will hav optimised much more kicking a processor even though it is 2ghz faster. this could send them broke. its not impossible, for example if woolworths loose 5% of their customer for 1 year they will go broke, and thats a big company (they own tandy, d**k smith, k mart and many more) intel is no different. most people only buy intel based boxes because the television tells them 2. they see it and think that it is the best, as if ud buy a no name stereo ever sony even with a big price difference. its the same thing with processors alot of people think that amd is like the no frills brand of products, how wrong could they b. indeed the via c3 is. intel and amd are top quality products. id rather support a smaller company that makes a product that is better in many ways to the big boys version . now, tell me im wrong Anonymous, cuz i know u will. but u kno it, what i say is true. mayb u should go bak 2 school not any1 else, unless they agree with u!!

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i really dont know why people are bothering with all this present technology, silicon based chips can only go so far, wait until chips turn into RISC based chips all round, i know they are out now but not for the average end user, wait until companies make software with optimizations for them, then in 100 or so years, wait until quantum based chips start comming out, somthing for you to image huh? chips that use the power of chips that arent even made. thats quantum based technology for you

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yanno, the ignorance I read, I may not be the smartest man, nor am I the richest, but be sure that I'm unbiased as I own both AMD and INTEL, but I tell you this, AMD has been right for years when they said that it's not clock speed or bus speed, but actual Load Performance, ya know, doesn't matter if the Porsche drives 300mph but can it haul a 2 ton trailer, NO, and in the CPU world, that's all that really matters nowadays, since 1ghz or greater doesn't matter, I haven't seen a game that doesn't run great on anything above 1ghz with any performance gain, it takes a well configures system, adequate ram, and a hard drive with good throughput, not flashy agp 8x, or DDR 3200, or 800 fsb, or even ata 133, just takes someone with knowledge to configure a system, with performance in mind, not brand name recognition or style, I'd wear skips over 300 dollar versaci clothes anyday, comfort and practicality, not billboard advertising, so while everyone squabbles over specs, get with the real deal, the thing that matters, PERFORMANCE and PRICE, so far Intel and other manufacturers have ignored this, but AMD has really shown it's colors by supporting this very logical movement.

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RISC is nice, but I've never seen any practical applications been made with it, other than the Alpha processor or game consoles, the reason most companies do not switch over is because of the hassles needed to convert CISC instruction to RISC for backwards compatibility. RISC is nice, but it's reduced set of instructions require it to be tailored for the applications it's made for, almost like how intel made mmx and amd 3dnow, when you make a chip you also think of the developers, when you think about it, RISC was originally made for engineering and workstation application, using the reduced sets to reduce time for calculations, but in realtime application it doesn't apply for the flexibility needed in a PC, where you switch from business app, to game, to 3d rendered, to graphics editing, to audio editing, and then back to whatever. it's all about specialization with RISC, but with CISC, your longer instruction set allows for the flexibility needed, allowing multi-specialization.as for quantum processors, were quite a ways from that, until I see the quantum storage devices that are supposedly really easy to make compared to processor, in a feasible form, then I'll praise and spread word of it, but it's like holographic projection monitors, future thinking, so please keep it from current event discussion.and one last note, we don't need software optimisations, we need risc chips that run x86 code without emulation. then afte they manage to get them over the 1ghz mark without SMP then it'll be a feasible alternative.

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for People should really lear: rite on man, thats what i was getting at, intel dont suk they are just stupid for worrying about clock speeds over performance. as for that risc crap thats for the future, this discussion is about now and the close future (1-2yrs) not 10 or higher

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well i aint get to deep into this, but whatever proccessor you get, it will get replaced within 2 weeks by a better model. thats how the world works and we cant change it.when you buy a new proccessor you get what you can afford at that moment in time, for best price/performance and with thew rest of your system in mind.yes it is nice to have the biggest and best, but a 100 ghz proccesor is no use with a geforce2 mx 200 :) gemme?good luck with what you buy guys

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all i have been saying that if any1 wants an extreme processor with out the price tag go for AMD, im not sayin 2 get the best one out, ive only got a Athlon XP 1800+ and a celeron 400, so i dont hav money cumin outta my ass, i just wanna help the novis gamers and computer users to use a excalent processor at a good price over a good procseeor with a bloated price. BUY AMD!!, IF U WANT 2 KNO Y I CHOOSE AMD THEN EMAIL ME!

AMD Briefs on Barton and Hammer

Its seems that to many people here dont acytually have a clue about what they're arguing. Who cares if intel or amd release a 3ghz chip tommorrow or in a 1yr becuase how many of you actaully have an application that will get a perfromance increase from the speed increase as opposed to the chips available now ? and i mean an increase of more that 2%. If you all feel the need to have such awsome machines, how many of you have dual CPU machines ? with $35,000 video rendering units external to you biege box. Maybe and SGI machine or 2 laying around the garage aswell. Intel and AMD both make a quality product and both have their pros & cons if either company was to fail we would be stuck with same style bs that microsoft tried to make us swallow for so long, be thankful that we have choice and remember in 3yrs time we might have neither company and a whole new war (we all remember 3dfx). And for those wondering I have 3 AMD and 2 Intels at home but I have 43 AMDs at work with 512 DDR, gf 4ti4600 on soltek DRV boards and i'm still yet to see an intel that keeps pace for what we do.

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when u upgrade intel processors u need to update your mother board aswell (usuall)which cost u even more money. eg there r 2 different versions of pentium 4 423pin, the old one and the new one 478pins pentium 3 hav so many i dont want to name em while.AMD has been using Socket A (462pins) about 2 years for athlon (thunderbird),Druron,Athlon XP which make them even cheaper to hav because u dont need to buy a new mobo every timeintel hav the edge in performance as they can play around with more data because they got more pins (other factors also come)and yes there were slot a for a short time

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