ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

The current war between the graphics giants has taken a sad turn as it has started to resemble the script of a poor soap opera rather than an honest competition between two rivals.

The story so far: nVidia announces that its product range is the first to feature PCI-Express GPUs. Intel confirms that it has received 1,000 such boards. A few months later ATI announces that it is the first to ship a PCI-Express GPU, the Radeon X800XT (pictured to your right). It is revealed that nVidia's PCI-Express uses an AGP to PCI Express bridge chip, advertised by the company as HSI (High Speed Interconnect).

Just as Canada is about to break out the champagne for retaining the graphics crown, nVidia shouts that ATI is also using a bridge with its GPU. Confusion increases as ATI had claimed that its boards have a native PCI-Express GPU. The Canadians reply by accusing nVidia of using X-Rays to peek at their board and to add insult to injury suggest that nVidia engineers misinterpreted internal buffers as a bridge chip.

ATI shouts nVidia started it and goes on to reveal that Intel first contacted them for the 1,000 boards. Since ATI was unwilling to hand over so many, Intel had to turn to rivals nVidia.

While all this is going on both companies are faced with shortages and extremely annoyed customers, some who have already pre-ordered the boards of their choice. This lack of support for the customer can only be understood as arrogance since they are willing to spend so much time to comment on each other and seem to have neglected the people who put them at the top.

We are beginning to miss the old days when both companies enforced a policy of not commenting on each others products. Although very entertaining, these comments from both sides serve as a sign of how dodgy and cut-throat this market has become.

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ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

"Although very entertaining, these comments from both sides serve as a sign of how dodgy and cut-throat this market has become"Personally I don't give a shit. As long as they keep putting out high speed cards, i'm fine. I don't really care what comes out of their mouth, just what comes out of the factory.

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

Anonymousat 18:13 3/6/2004if you don't care for pure speed, then you must care about image quality. if not, then you simply don't care about anything you waste your money on.ATI has been beating nvidia in terms of price/performance while maintaining a higher quality in the image the cards produce. if that doesn't grasp you then i have nothing more to say to you, other than would you like to buy my fertilzer?

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

Have the video crad prices for the 9800 pro and FX 5900 gone down already???? Because I want to get a 9800 XT but thats still way tooo exspensive, even on ebay. 9800 pro is what I have to get, but even than its like 200+ on ebay too! WHEN WILL THEY GO DOWN? or have they? plz respond

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

Cool, im surprised to see all the useful comments for a change!Oh well....within the next 20 posts this will all degenerate into a fanboy slanging match :DI also dont care any more, just show me the 2ng gen PCI-E card at the top wether its ATI or Nvidia and ill buy it.....

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

nice article megagames, you guys think like i do! Honestly, when companies become too tied in trying to comment on how their rivals are 'so inferior' then they will ultimately focus less on their customers and just pump out bullsh!t advertising saying they are the best because the rivals dont have blah blah. Talk to people who have the cards, watch the difference as they play, go to independent sites to see performance testing, but DO NOT listen to the companies talk! Its not worth hearing now that all they do is bitch about each other.

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

i think megagames has heard the peoples voice in the last article andc lets not buy these new cards untill prices drop cuz they dont care about us users who have to falk out incredible amounts of money for these cards, if we dont buy them prices have to drop and then we can all have these new cards for 100 to 200 quid.

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

Firstly, it is important that we remember that ATI and Nvidia do not simply care about money. They also care about money. In addition they also listen to money and follow money's advice. We the consumers are like these not so innocent bystanders caught in this war between to titans trying to get the cash money. They are so busy advertising their products that they forgot what is really important. TO MAKE CARDS! Look at Nvidia, no 6800 cards in the market right now after their little paper launch. ATI, not that much better. Sold out everywhere because they only seem to have shipped like 12 of them. REDICULOUS! MAKE CARDS you POS companies. That is your job, not to lie to us and try to jack our money. MAKE CARDS and make them in quantity so that cards become cheaper. Flood the market with cards so that your customers don't complain and whine about you and your shortage of cards. We know what you are doing ATI and Nvidia and we won't stand for it. You freaks of the industry think you can skin us like sheep (take all our money)? Well, remember this maxim: You can sheer a sheep many times, but skin it only once. Skin us once and you will never get our money again ... at least not mine. Shape up you to, or the consumers will bring you down like David brought down Golliath.

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

lool, that was very funny 2 read. BTW, if u listen 2 nVidia's PCI-E intel vid, they mention that not all products were HSI. Now that's out the way, both companies need to grow up, be 100% honest in the first plaec, as for X-Rays, there's nothing wrong with that aslong as nVidia don't talk about things without being sure, because that would be faulse advertising on ATI's part and wud b serious.

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

What the hell, coherent discussion in an ATi vs. nVidia thread???? I MUST be dreaming.I generally agree with the sentiments being expressed here. All this stupid whining and bitching (by the card makers, but the fanboys are just as annoying) is being counter-productive. I find it ridiculous that 9800XT's and FX5950's are still retailing for upwards of AU$750 (US$500+). And seeing how thoroughly smoked these cards get by the next gen. chipsets (6800/X800), if these cards don't at least HALVE in price by the end of the year(the 9800XT's and FX5950's that is), I'm gonna be pisse off.

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

Nvidia was leading graphic market for a long time. Seems to me from the instance that ATI took the lead, Nvidia has been trying to find a cheap way around... right now its like " yeah, they started it ". But both probably spending more money in courts than on costumer support.

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

Ok quite simply if you want the whole history summed up here it is: ATI was one of the second generation vid. card makers (yes i count everything geforce up as 3rd gen. realisticly) the second gen started about 90 lasted till maybe 98 and ATI ruled the market then an upstart nvidia came along and blew them out of the water. so ATI struggled along for a couple years with cards like the rage(s) then they started the radeon serries of cards. they started to beat nvidia in some benchmarks 2 sub. gens. later here we are I personally own a 5950 but i don't have anything against ATI i'm just happy so long as i have get above 60FPS on far cry :D

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

All this talk about a 9800XT Costing so much... Just buy a Sapphire 9800 Pro ($209 at Newegg.com) and then buy an Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer and some Ramsinks(Probably around $30 for the whole deal)... and then overclock your card(Mines at 445/360 without ramsinks).As for Image Quality, if your still thinking ATi has the big heads up on Nvidia in terms of Image Quality, you gotta get your head out of the sand(Or ass)... Both cards are on par with eachother now in terms of image Quality. The only people left saying ATi has better Image Quality are Radeon Owners who like to feel big and brag on chat forums.

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

Unless nvidia has managed to improve their shader performance i highly doubt image quality is exactly the same. I have an fx 5600 and a 9800 XT, the XT definately has the superior shader quality. And any review i've read of the 6800 has shown that the quality of the shaders is no better than they were, they are blocky to the point that they look like low definition versions which simply is unacceptable. It just ends up as being a cheap way to boost shader speed instead of improving their architecture.

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

To Anon Below me...WHat exactly are you talking about? Shader Performance or Image Quality? They're two different things. There is no argument that ATi's 9x00 Series had better Shader Performance than Nvidia's FX Series, But I wasn't talking about Shader Performance, I was talking about Image Quality. Nvidia made improvements to their drivers for both IQ and Shader Performance for the FX Series, and added on to that with the new 6800 series. ATi wins some Image Quality Tests and NVidia wins some, so in my opinion, it's a tie. Like I said, don't spend your time on little 'comment' areas like this, how about checking some actual Review sites to get a better picture...[url removed]

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

Yes, nvidia does show its real potential in ps3.0, in performance and quality, it's also making them money, all the developers are using it, simply because it's the only card on the market with ps3.0 lol and since it's already integrated, they need now only worry about improvements.

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

Actually the new nvidia model uses a lot of power, altohugh admitedly not as much as people are moaning about, they recomend a 450w psu, but that's if your running things like several HD and CDD, lots of PCI preferiables etc, u can actually run on a much lower psu. Also they complained about it using 2 connectors, this is just for safety, as such a high power down 1 wire could be dangerous in some cases.

ATI and nVidia Both First to PCI-E

Ps3.0 will not have that much of a effect this coming year as Ps1.4 did for the 8500 when the Geforce3 cards did not have it. Remember Transform and Lighting(T&L)? The Geforce supported that feature and that did not come into play until the following year.It takes at least 1 year to implement new technology. Always. This is so developers can catch up. Moreover, game developement takes at least 12-18 months to finish a project. So in oder for Ps3.0 to make a real difference in a game over Ps2.0(Which is just a extension of Ps3.0) Developers would have had to have Ps3.0 in mind 12-18 months ago. Not likely. FarCry does not exactly cut it.

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