ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

While everyone is intently focused on figuring out who has won the graphics war and who is wearing the graphics crown, the latest news from the two major players suggests that this time we may not have a clear winner.

The best way to judge who is on-top is to look at two important sets of figures which follow the release of high-end graphics cards; benchmark results and more importantly sales figures. As is usually the case, comparative benchmark tests can be manipulated or read in a variety of ways. In the current graphics race, the biggest issue is the Shader 2.0 vs. 3.0 debate, with nVidia claiming its support for the technology is a triumph and ATI suggesting that PS 3.0 is not of the present, especially since only one current game is using it. Factor in a variety of driver enhancements, the differences between applications and the war of words between manufacturers and benchmark developers and you realize that benchmark testing is an important but flawed way of judging the graphics war winner.

A more reliable and much simpler way to judge the winner is by comparing the high-end sales of each competitor. That way, the end-user gets to decide the winner by spending his hard-earned cash on the actual product.
For two years now, ATI has had the upper hand in high-end sales and currently holds over 70 per cent of that particular market. But before opening the Canadian Champagne (Sparkling wine?), we should realise that this percentage, impressive though it may be, does not represent a rise in sales but merely indicates that nVidia has not done enough to convince former ATI owners to switch. ATI's triumph with the previous chip (Radeon 9800 XT)coupled with a few public relations and technical disasters by nVidia, such as the driver tampering claims and the overheating of GFX cards when the screensaver kicked-in, created that 70+ per cent difference. ATI has simply managed to maintain that advantage. This stale situation does, in fact, mean that we may just have a graphics war draw. No developer has done enough to get a big jump on the opposition, the more conspiracy-oriented reader may consider that recent reports of the two companies meeting to discuss the War, in order to limit soaring development costs, may have been more successful than initially suggested but we are definitely not those kind of people.

It is unfortunate that the graphics market has become polarized to such an extent that we now have a set of people who will buy any product nVidia throws at them while another group will do the same for ATI. Strangely enough both groups will be asked to part with a great deal of cash for the privilege and are likely to face a variety of customer care issues in the unlikely event of a problem with their product.

ATI's success in the past couple of years still suggests that things can always change, especially when the manufacturers forget about the people for whom they are developing their product, let's hope that both companies continue to bear that in mind while developing and pricing their excellent products.

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ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

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ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

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ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

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ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

wow, i have been reading this and found out that, they both have better things about them, but also they both have bad things about them, but they are in a tie.i think i am goign to get a 6800GT, sounds good.cya, have fun fighting!

ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

Anonymousat 16:59 18/7/2004BOTTOM LINE!!!!!!!!!1. ATI X800pro faster than Nvidia 6800.2. ATI X800XT faster than the Nvidia 6800GT.3. ATI X800XT Platinum faster than the Nvidia 6800 Ultra.4. ATI R500 will own all.There is nothing to argue about here the proof is on the review sites.Anonymousat 16:59 18/7/2004BOTTOM LINE!!!!!!!!!1. ATI X800pro faster than Nvidia 6800.2. ATI X800XT faster than the Nvidia 6800GT.3. ATI X800XT Platinum faster than the Nvidia 6800 Ultra.4. ATI R500 will own all.There is nothing to argue about here the proof is on the review sites.Captain Dark Meatat 16:59 18/7/2004BOTTOM LINE!!!!!!!!!1. ATI X800pro faster than Nvidia 6800.2. ATI X800XT faster than the Nvidia 6800GT.3. ATI X800XT Platinum faster than the Nvidia 6800 Ultra.4. ATI R500 will own all.There is nothing to argue about here the proof is on the review sites.Davyat 12:12 18/7/2004I was the one to post the link from the site about buying the 6800 for 280.00 and Im saying you are an idiot for thinking that I would post a link for a virus. Not everyone that posts here is a terrorist when it comes to fu@king up everyones computer...people post here to help others, you clowns.Anonymousat 6:26 18/7/2004heres a place that sell the X800pro and the standard 6800 on australia if ne1 is interested[url removed] of Disat 1:1 18/7/2004Btw his link worked:[url removed] Harkmeletat 0:45 18/7/2004ONE DAY KAISER AUCKBADOCK WILL RISE TO POWER, HE WILL SMASH FOES WITH THE BLUNT OF THE COMMON INTEREST, HE WILL ELIMINATE ALL WHO SHALL FAIL TO FALL IN THE MYST OF ANARCHY, THIS IS THE DAY OF RECKONING, THIS IS THE DAY OF FREEDOM, JOIN ME BROTHERS, SISTERS, HOMOS, AND FAIRY MEN, FOR THIS WILL BE A TEST OF YOUR TRUE HONOR AND VALOR, WE WILL NOT REST TILL A NEW VIDEO CARD DOMINATES THE MARKET, WE SHALL NOT REST TI

ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

HALF LIFE 2 WILL BE 50% FASTER WITH 6800 ULTRAHALF LIFE 2 WILL BE 50% FASTER WITH 6800 ULTRAHALF LIFE 2 WILL BE 50% FASTER WITH 6800 ULTRAHALF LIFE 2 WILL BE 50% FASTER WITH 6800 ULTRAHALF LIFE 2 WILL BE 50% FASTER WITH 6800 ULTRAHALF LIFE 2 WILL BE 50% FASTER WITH 6800 ULTRAHALF LIFE 2 WILL BE 50% FASTER WITH 6800 ULTRA

ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

ATI Sux ive always had problems with theirs cards... but i will admit that the newest Geforce and ATI cards are nearly the same proformance... and the Geforce costs less and yes it IS true that Doom 3 is slightly faster on the nVidia card.

ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

come on ati halflife fagboys just read the damn benchmark and i am going to laugh even harder when they release hl2 benchmarks and nvidia is ahead. i am not talking about just the 6800ultra i am talking about the gt its going to kill the x800 pro and pe. see all of you went and bought an ati that does not even support ps3.0 or direct x 9.0c you just got screwed over in benchmarks and in future compatiblility get ready to buy a new 500 dollar card in like 6 months. muahhahahahahaha

ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

First of all, GT is NOT faster than the X800 pro! and the 6800ULTRA is again..NOT! faster than the X800XT! As for HL2 and D3, maybe they will run faster on 6800, I dunno yet, but who cares if you still playing them smoothly on X800 and playing 95% of the games faster than 6800?? I'm sorry, I was Nvidia-boy up untill this line of cards but ..ATI just made better products.

ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

REX did u even bother to c the benchmarks?? the 6800GT caned the x800platinum and u still think ati is faster, in current games yes, but in the new titles no and thats what counts. kudos to nvidia for making truth of there slogan"the way its meant to be played"nvidia rocks.

ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

to all those people saying nvidia will run faster on nvidia, where is ur proof?3Dc texture compression is going to be used in the game, and that can increase the textures by something like 6x, so who is going to win, ATI most definitely!!I bought a X800pro and it rocks.Doom3 61 frames, who cares, it will be smooth, only 9 frames difference from gt and ultra 6800.Both games will run fast so i don't care, and u r only a nerd if u care, because it only matters if it runs fast!!!

ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

my mistake i wrote wrong thing, here is the corrected version, ignore the other one, thanx:RaZoR_bLaDeat 6:6 24/7/2004to all those people saying nvidia will run faster on half life 2, where is ur proof?3Dc texture compression is going to be used in the game, and that can increase the textures by something like 6x, so who is going to win, ATI most definitely!!I bought a X800pro and it rocks.Doom3 61 frames, who cares, it will be smooth, only 9 frames difference from gt and ultra 6800.Both games will run fast so i don't care, and u r only a nerd if u care, because it only matters if it runs fast!!!

ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

We've seen this war before. Years ago it was PowerVR vs 3dFX and the Voodoo took the crown. Then it was nVidia vs 3dFX and the crown changed hands a few times then 3DFX dropped out rather than lost. Now it's nVidia vs ATi and unlike before Performance is no longer the issue. These cards have more power than your average Top-Fuel Dragsters. It's down to how this exess power is used to improve the quality rather than the frame-rate and I'm sorry to say that I'm rather dissapointed. The Voodoo 4/5 line may have been underpowered, but - The Anti-Aliasing of those cards is unsurpassed today. I'm not talking about "jaggies" either. I'm talking about the swimming textures in floors of FPS games, the grass in Driving games. The distractions to the eye. This is the oldest flaw of 3d accelerator cards since the heyday of the 3dFX Voodoo and it's still the main flaw in all of todays cards. The first card to rectify this... They will take the Crown...Permanantly.

ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

Actually, there are already benchmarks running the half-life beta from last year for the x800 and 6800.The cards are pretty much neck and neck with the beta. And since valve is optimising the game for ati, it's probably a sure thing that the x800 will run the final game better.

ATI - nVidia Too Close to Call

war?? what war! Last time i checked you actually need to release a product to have a war. You can't buy a geforce 6800 anywhere.If it's the paper wars nvidia is playing then maybe they have a chance of winning this round.

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