ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

As is the case this time of the year and although the new boards from the biggest graphics manufacturers have not yet produced their full impact on the market, information about the next board design is begining to surface.
The originally expected R400 will not be the follow-up design to the very successful R300, instead ATI's new boards will be based on a core codenamed Loki - R420.
Loki, a Norse Deity responsible for Fire and Magic, will be the first major change to the R300 core which, in the mean time, will see two new speed bumps, the R350 and R360. ATI have, traditionally, never introduced a new board which didn't offer at least a two-fold speed and performance increase, so it is natural to expect the new boards to be at least twice as fast as the 9800 PRO. The new design is expected to premiere at this years Comdex show in November but shouldn't hit store shelves before early 2004.

Now to the specs, the new core will consist of between 110 to 150 million transistors and will feature hardware support for both Pixel Shader 3.0 and Vertex Shader 3.0, offering greater flexibility to programmers. Details of the memory used by the R420 have not yet surfaced but a safe bet would be the use of GDDR2.
The big question about the new boards however, concerns their use of PCI Express. If the cards are released in Q1, 2004, as suggested, there will still be no support for PCI Express. ATI are reported to have solved that problem by offering the first manifestations of the R420 with a PCI Express to AGP bridge and waiting until Q2, 2004 for the first pure PCI Express R420 boards.

All this while nVidia are fervently working on their new design, the NV40. Stay here for details as soon as they appear.

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ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

No, ATI and Nvidia dont force us to do anything but the problem is new cards are released every 6 months now from nvidia and ati. And I bet we all get fed up and tired of the same bullshit because I do. I just went to futureshop and they were selling a 9800 radeon for over $600 smackers.Its probley not because futureshop wants to do it but rather more ATI boasting up the price tag on there video cards and its true.Last year, I got the top of the line ATI video card at its time and that was the Radeon 8500 128 and I paid $400 at futureshop for it but now, the top of the line ATi card is over $600 smackers at futureshop.Next year, ATi will be going to PCI express which 99% of the PC gamers will need to buy a new board and a new processor and more likely otehr stuff for it if they want to buy a new video card.I dont believe PCI express is that much faster then AGP but then again, I dont have any specs of pci express so it would be nice if someone can post real specs and facts of pci express.

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

ya right...nividia sucks... they even put vacume cleaner looking coolers thats are too noisie on their new gforce fx video cards...and to top it off they have to cheat to get good 3dmark benchmark scores check out the hall of fame for yourself... to see who desighns the best video card @ [url removed]

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

i remember reading about pci express a while back. its backwards compatiable with all previous pci hardware (lan cards, modem, etc)through emulation. its 100x faster than pci and also cheaper to produce than existing pci boards. i also remember reading something about future board designs with pci express will support 10ghz cpus (the upper limit). i read about pci express last year, too lazy to track down the article again.as for the people who complain about companies "forcing" them to upgrade, thats the downside with competition. products advance too quickly and doesn't allow the consumer adequate time to enjoy their once "top of the line" stuff. But you get more for your money than buying products from the non-competitive market sector, although non-competitive market are more stable (refers back to the old 3dfx days).

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

Hmm, doesn't really bother me. I bought a GF3 Ti200 about 18 months ago for $AUD340 (about$170US at the time) and it still goes just fine. Sure, it can't run UT2003 full everything at a zillion fps, but who cares?What is it with ppl saying "oh, i can run 'x' at 200fps".......YAY......pitty you can only see like 24 of them - though i do grant that there is a difference visually between 30 and 60 fps.

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

Yet another Gfx card that wont be maxed out in a game for 2 years by which time it will be 18 months out of date. Im fed up with all this technology bullshit! no game deveolper wants to put their neck on the line and bring out a game that makes the best use of new (and sometimes even old) graphics card technology because they dont want to alienate a potential gaming audience with older hardware. After buying a new graphics card on average every year over the last 7 years, all games are still looking almost the same for the last 3, only now are we seeing some good use of recent technology with UT2003, Doom3, HL2 etc...

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

Look, after Intel's Prescott core, AMD's Athlon 64, PCI-X, ATI's Loki and Nvidia's R40 come out, PC's will go up the stairs to new techologies every second, so if anyone wants to buy a new PC in this year, won't run a normal game next year, and he will be aware that he bought a useless box for 4000$PS: just a warning

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

Buckshot: Unless you're talking in non US dollars $600 for a 9800pro is a complete rip off. I could buy a brand new 9800pro for $370. It's the 128M version, but damn, $600 bucks is just FutureShop being greedy. I wouldn't buy it from them. That's for sure.

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

so[m]ebody from the junkyard: Dude, for $4000 you could build 2 of the best boxes possible. Anybody who spends that much on a box is an idiot.And it's always been that way. You don't think I was disappointed when I got my 486DX/4 100MHz machine only to see the Pentium got to 266 or more and shortly after the Pentium 2 went even higher. It's the way it's always been and probably always will be.

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

Yeah, upgrades will be there always, however if you own a FX5900 or a 9800pro you can play for a lotof time its not like all games each year demand the new cards, hech the basic requiremens are always 32megs of Geforce 2 and Radeon so you can be sure that realesing the new cards wont afect manufacturers untli end of 2004 when they start thinking how to make incredible games using powerful graphis and still plaedble with the geforce4 so if you own a powerful card you are safe for like 3 years before games require alot of power and thus in 3 years youll have enough money to buy new one, i already got my 128mg Ati Radeon 9800 and im not planing to change it for the loki one nowhere near this year or next one. hech i eve got 1gb of dual channel 450mhz ram so ill be playing ok for a lot of time

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

Ya, It's over $600 in Canadian for the radeon 9800 but the 1 I saw is built by ATi. The one that you mentioned, is it a 3rd party radeon?.When it comes to video card prices in futureshop, its a total rip off now.But futureshop has awsome prices for video games and some other stuff.Now, enough of that.Heres 1 thing I forgot to mention in my last post about technolgy going to fast.This is 1 of the things that piss me off the most, we all know ati, nvidia can make a video card so powerful that can last for 10 years but they dont cuz they want to take it slowly so they can get more money out of you because upgrading is non-stop. This may sound stupid but if you understand it, it wouldnt sound so stupid.Another thing that pisses me off about nvidia and ati is that they dont make video card drivers to get the most of your video card because all they do is just make a bundle video card driver set.If ATi made a seperate driver for my radeon 8500 128 or for any other card they make, I bet I will be getting more performance then those driver packs.

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

yo shut da f**k up Dequacksacks anybody who bought wasted 4000 on a pc did what he wanted to do cause he had money and he wanted an ultimate gaming machine i myself built a powerful machine 6 months ago top of the line eveyrtihng and till this day my machine still stands and rapes games and i dont know wat the f**k you are bitchin about like a lil sissy "o man its always upgrades upgrades" u upgrade to play your f**kin games at good reousltioins with FSAA who gives af**k if the next card come sout tommorw and can it 300 times better if u want it get it and you will have your games played even more better simple shit u f**kin idiot your bitchin about f**kin cards and shit cause your a cheap f**k go get a job and it wont matter how much it costs u f**kin bum and anybody who wasted laot of money on a pc and plan to upgrade even hardcore soon like every year or wateva good for you do wat da f**k u wanna do these cards are for hardcore gamers anybody in here postin msgs complaining about this card is not a f**kIN HARD CORE GAMER and you shouldnt f**kin be here cause the reason we read articles like this is cause we hardcore gamers and we wanna f**kin play our games to the ultimate and we got money well make it happen its simple shit man and your bitchin baout anybody who wastes 4000 is a idiot shit i can say anybody who wastes 1.25 on a 20 oz coke cola when i get a 2 liter for same price what the f**k is that mean if the guy has money let him buy his 20 oz easy to carry and tastes much better id say but if i bought the 2liter its a little bigger to carry and not really much of that tastes u get from a 20 oz i can look at the guy as a idiot but im the d**k walkin around with a 2 liter bottle or he can look at me as a idiot because of 2 liter bottle but im the guy whos gettin more cokecola for same price basically SHUT DA f**k UP if your not hardcore gamer dont fduckin talk man and if u wannna waste millions on ultimate pc and ugot th emoney good for u do it you wont rege

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

Meh, i could play any game out at maximum detail with my Geforce 3 for a little over a year.I just upgraded to a 9700 Pro, wonderful card BTW, and i won't have to buy a new card for another year, easy.Only cost $289 bucks.Anyone who buys a 500 dollar card is a fool LOL.And, yes, if your machine cost you $4000 dollars, you got ripped off, because you bought it from a mass manufacturer, all there is too it.

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

i see that people are not happy with the price . Well i understand ..Maybe u should think of some way to get it cheaper.I got my 9700 pro 4 months ago for 100$ from ati. Just go to circuit city and do good deal:))))) and as somebody said techonology goes t ofast we don't have time to enjoy what we have...

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

who ever tlaks about price of things is a cheap bastard and yes these cards are for hardcore gamers why else in the f**kin world whould u buy these upgrades unless your a graphic desginer but it all revolves around games get your shit striaght

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

Honestly People, can we STOP with the bloody swearing? Does anyone realize how angry people get on these boards? It seems that all the flamers come here, and by flamers, I mean both kinds. OBVIOUSLY Everyone here has a different view, why not discuss the facts, put in your TWO CENTS not your TWENTY BUCKS worth. Can't all you pre-pubescent girls go without blowing up at everyone? I'm sick of seeing every Megagames thread battered with insults.

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

This is fantastic news. I wonder though, if there ever will be a trend towards fully programmable video chipsets so they can do real-time raytracing in games. It seems there is a small hardcore bunch that think it may eventually replace the standard GPU concept - canned hardware routines in silicon.The best thing for me as a consumer is that with a new groundbreaking ATI card coming out, I will finally be able to afford an older 9500 Pro since resellers will be dumping them at discount prices. I loved my original Radeon but its getting long in the tooth and is destined for retirement.

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

Hah, Kirby, I totally agree withyour post. It's sad that we livein a world where insults have tobe thrown pointlessly, to offendperhaps one person it is directedat. Yeah, we got a lot offlamers here, both varieties, andit can be funny to read. Since Idon't usually check these messageboards, I wouldn't know if theothers are like this, but if theyare, then it's a sad world welive in indeed. If people saw thelight (or came out of theirparent's basements) just once,maybe things wouldn't be soembarassing. Oh, and check out mybuddy's site at[url removed] , just 'cause it's funny.And that's all, people just needto get lives or some friendsbesides their 'online buddies'.

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

Canadian, I havent read your post because of what you did, its simply very annoying.Bizniz, uh no dumbass. I could buy the best video card out right now but that doesnt make me a hardcore gamer just because I bought one you retard. Think about it you dumbass.

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

Gentlemen and Ladies, its been great being here, but too much fanboy dramatics, too much time wasted reading brainless posts. I just may check in everyone once in a while. But this here, if my Opt-out. Goodbye all! You shall be missed, especially Dr.Death, DeQuosaek, that Anonymous guy that keeps posting every few minutes, and yes, even HAJI. Farewell, I been adue.

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

The NV40 is overrated. The competition between these two big time companies is great for us gamers though. I can't confim this but there is word that the R420 is going to have a 16 pixel pipeline with two TMU's per cycle. Ati will be the first to do so, just like they were regarding the 8 pixel pipe. NV40 is going be tapped out from IBM, which is cool. However ATI is working closely with Synopps to create the R420. The NV40 is going to be a .13 fab, I wonder what the R420 will be there been talk that it even be as small as a 90 nm core.I think the R420 will dominate for a very long time!

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

NOne of your f**kin BIZNI:You must be pretty dense. I didn't compain about upgrading. I was just commenting that it has always been around. You're talkin' to the wrong guy. I got a good job and a 9700pro. Learn to read jackass. You sound like an illiterate anyway.And I know if some dude has 4000 dollars to blow he can build an ultimate gaming machine, but he got raped on the price, foo.I could build the ULTIMATE gaming machine for 2000 or maybe 2500 at most. You don't need 4000 for an ultimate gaming rig.

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

Why don't you guys stop seeing it as "a new card to buy", but as "a new card that will drop the price of a lot of the almost-new cards".It's a great thing that they advance so fast because *no* games use the latest technology, so we can all enjoy games at full speed without buying the latest, most expensive piece of metal.Whether or not ATI or Nvidia is "better" shouldn't matter - wouldn't all those violent and loud ATI fans on these message boards just love to see a lot of "f**kheads" buy Nvidia cards? (and vice versa)Buy what you can afford now, not what you hope will maybe still be in use in 2 years' time. It won't. So go cheap now, and cheap then too.

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

IT ALL REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. FLAGSHIP CARDS ARE JUST TO SHOW OFF, TO PROVE HOW REALLY ADVANCE THEIR COMPANIES ARE. YOU THINK THAT NVIDIA AND ATI MAKE THEIR REAL MONEY OFF THE THE NV35, R350, NV36, R360, NV40, R420. NO WAY IN HELL THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY OFF THE MAINSTREAM MARKET, AND RIGHT NOW ATI 9600PRO IS DOMINATING. IN MY OPINION THE R420 IS GOING THE CRUSH THE NV40, THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPMENTS THAT THE R420 CORE COULD POSSIBLY BE A 90nm FAB PROCESS. ATI IS KEEPING A VERY TIGHT LID ON THE THE PROJECT (LOKI). WHILE NVIDIA HAS RELEASED INFO REGARDING THE NV40 ALREADY. THE MOST INTERESTING PART OF ALL THIS IS THE FACT THAT SNYAPPS IS A PARTNER IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF LOKI. NVIDIA WILL COME OUT WITH GREAT CARDS BUT NOT BETTER THAN ATI THOUGH, ALSO NVIDIA'S PRICES ARE JUST WAY TO HIGH.

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

Hey, I have the best system ever!!!Shuttle SN45GnForce2 ultra 400 chipsetAthlon XP 3200+ 400 MHz FSB1GB Dual Channel Corsair 400MHz DDR120 GB Samsung 7200rpm HDDSapphire Atlantis ATI Radeon 9800+ 256MBTDK 4x DVD-R/RWEAT ME!!!

ATI R420 2X Faster than 9800 Pro

no nvidia rules man there liek the best man you can campare what up yea thats right NVIDIA SIDE!yea that and ati is an candian companie and canada never help us in the war man we had to find alone man there pussys man you can buy things from your enimys man com on

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