ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

Development of ATIs new chip, R520, is coming along nicely and the information on the new design is beginning to make its way to "sources" everywhere. The new chip, expected in 2005 will definitely feature Shader Model 3.0, although Shader 4.0 is almost definitely out of the planning since Microsoft is expected to hold it back until the Longhorn release, sometime in 2006.

If we are to believe previous ATI claims that the time wasn't right in 2004 for SM 3.0, the decision to support it with the R520 indicates that 2005 is considered to be the right time. Strangely enough, ATIs choice to include Shader Model 3.0 in the new boards stands to benefit the most out of upcoming games developed with the support of nVidia. That sounds like the cheapest time but may prove to be a very shrewd use of the competitor's investment.

Most ATI fans, or executives, are expecting a lot out of the R520 design, since the team behind it is the same group that created the R300 (Radeon 9700) which is in great part responsible for the ATI success story of two years ago.

Expect a lot more information to leak as we leave summer behind and enter the much busier fall.

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ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

Jesus Christ this is unbelievable, the Ati Vs nVidia war is going out of control, Graphics cards are advancing quicker than games are, literally no game out uses PS 3.0, and they'r are thinking of bringing out PS 4.0 which Microsoft are holding back till Longhorn or DirectX 10.Its just plain stupid. Ati and nVidia are just the same, they make very similar graphics cards. Enevitably someone is gonna make a gfx card which will wipe Ati and nVidia off the floor, look what happened to Voodoo FX. I could not agree more with Stuart Robinson and Anonimouse.

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

Looks like the idea of getting beat up again and again scared the shit out of ATI. The company that bad mouthed PS 3.0 and said PS 3.0 is crap is now trying to use PS 3.0 lol! That's tragic and sad.Looks like you crapped your pants there ei? lmao!

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

@randomyes you are right.. this is insane.. today there are no games that ask more than a 9800xt.. when u got 1 of those u can run every game at max whit no problems at all.. why get a card that will be like 5x as fast.. but still get the same results?.. sure its nice that better cards come on the market but, the take it to fast! whats a good 3d card if u dont got a good game to use it on? the x800 and the 6800 are in my opinion already WAY to fast for this time.. but i that it whas something whe needed to work whit for at least 1.5 or 2 years.. but if next year a card will come out that is even 2x faster than the x800 and 6800 series.. its ussles!

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

you guys are sad.nither company has produced a piece of shit for years now. ok you can argue about the pros and cons of each. but at the end of the day i bet non of you could tell the difference between a screenshot captured from any of the top cards. or tell what a computer was running when watching games being played on them.saying a card is shit because it only gets 235fps rather than 242. shows how little you guys actualy know about this stuff.how many of you can actualy tell me the inprovments of ps 3 over ps 2???

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

f**k Yeah this is gonna b good the same team as the 9700. I own a 9700p and that card is by far the best designed card ever period. I mean the card is basically a 9800p about 2% difference. But i wont buy this new card ill wait till 2006 till i upgrade my ATI card...maybe O and all you f**ks that are so stupid to buy Nvidia or support them... f**koff get off your fathers internet account and go do your regular jerkoff behind the bush

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lucifer....the difference is not how it looks but how it runs.ps3 renderes the graphics in a different way and although they look the same on screen it will run a lot better compared to ps2.and as hardly any games atall in the next 6 months will have support for ps3 i think ati chose correctly not to use it until next year.

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

this war between ati and nvidia is pointless! nvidia ruled a long time ago then ati took the crown from them for quite some time. now nvidia claimed back the crown and left ati behind and this will go on and on and on. when is this war going to end? for those who often changes their cards, buy an ati. it's a fast card and still can play the latest games. for those who changes their cards and planning to keep it for a while buy an nvidia since you wont have to worry about upcoming games that uses shader 3.0 and the other goodies.just buy the card that you like and play the game that you like. afterall games are for fun right? unless you're an uber dork that buys cards just to benchmark it.

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yes Anonymous i know. i read about it as well. so what dose the PS do??how does it work??its just on here some one says PS 3!!! and oh wow that means it so much better than PS 2. but who actualy knows the differences between the two.most people on here dont have a clue as to how the tecnogly actualy works. was the point i was trying to make. so most arnt in any position to say which is best.And they do make a difference to how the graphics look. alowing more complex operation for the same amount of processing power.

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

there will be actual graphic differences between 3.0 and 2.0. Thing is, none of the games show it, yet.Just to refresh nvidias dominance this round for all the peeps who cant be botherd scrolling down :p[url removed] such a d**k :p

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

"And they do make a difference to how the graphics look. alowing more complex operation for the same amount of processing power."PS3 increases the processing power. this is why you can handle more instructions per a cycle. "same amount of processing power", means no increase in the amount of instructions that can be processed per a cycle.

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

ATI coined the term SM2.0b, something that encompasses most of the SM3.0 functionality. When a game is written for SM2.0b, it has most of the advantages of a SM3.0 program, both in looks and in speed. ATI gets the the speed, features and lower die sizes, win/win/win.

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

ok anonymous for the same amount of clock cycles may be i should have said.processing power is a bad term. in the way you are looking at it. also the PS 3 does introduce new instructions and at greater depth the results have the potential to be better than with PS2. however due to the level of detail between the 2 being not noticable in a moving image. the only benefits we are likly to see are that of incressed proformance. and as the eye has trouble detecting framerates faster than 50hz - 60hz then any thing above this will not improve game play. so fighting over 150+ frame rate is just stupid.

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@Anonymousat 7:0 27/8/2004i agree..and for the people who still say ati is best! or ati is best!, read this!!!!get a card that is on the market today that gets 50+fps ALWAYS in every game there is today at 1024x786xhigh.when u got that.. just shut up and play.. who cares if 1 card can get up to 150 fps.. yes but the nvida card can get up to 155!! than the nvidia fan boys come in ands say ; whahah ati sucks bla bla.. jezus.. SHUT UP!! every cart that is equel or above the 9800xt is GOOD enough to run every game that is coming.. yes hl2 to.. at high whit no problems at all!so every1 shut up.. get the best card your money can get and just play instead af fighting a war over what brand is better..

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Nvidia fan boys, 2004 is not P.S 3 time, be as lame as you want, there are 2-3 games and ATI doesnt have a problem with them. As for " same team behind 9700 pro ", thats the card I got, thats the card I'm gonna try to get.

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to the people that complain about us being excited about getting new gpxs cards. ITS HUMAN NATURE, WHAT DO WE WANT WHEN WE HAVE THE BEST? A BETTER ONE. anyone who is happy whith what they have right now is either dying, irrational or extremely ignorant.

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

New cards are so redundant. The real war between nVidia and ATI are with the drivers, and unfortunately for ATI, they aren't doing very good with the drivers. I would have much more faith in ATI if they were to release a decent set of linux drivers. Kudos to nVidia for doing this.And to whoever just said that 'ATI will take the crown:' ATI already has the crown, with about 70% of the market share.

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

Hmmmm seems like we had a right flame war while I was gone.I generally think people who argue about Ati and nVidia, Intel and AMD etc. they are stupid!Reason being is because most people who have a Ati card say its better than nVidia even though they probably never used one, so they arn't really in a position to say that. Ati and nVidia are the same! Who cards if one gets 1 or 2 fps hiher than the other, as long as it play all the latest games, who cares?Thanks 4 backing me up lucifer!O and about the arguement of what PS does, its a different way of rendering graphics, it makes image quality clearer and stuff look shiny, and in some games it can boots performance e.g. UT2003/4

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

Ati ROCKS!!! guys Ati has the crown not nvidia... and something else everybody said that Ati boards wont be able to play Doom3 as good as Nvidia ones... HAHAHA I have a Radeon 9800pro 128mb and I Played it to the end with 1280*1024 with High detail and antialising 4x and anistropic 2x... so f**k 45 fps was the minimum... lets see now what happens with HL2.... :))

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

Whoa looks like ATI is desperate with the continuos blows from Nvidia. After blindly flaming shader 3.0 and call it a crap, now they desperately want it in their cards. That's like eating their own shit.

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

who seriously gives a f**k about who is better out of nvidia or ati.you must be pretty damn stupid if your decision on what graphics card to buy next is based on which company you support.Before spending £400 anybody with any sense will have a good think about which games they will be playing over the next 6 months, then look through various benchmarks and then make a decision.somebody who spends a lot of time on games using the unreal engine & prehaps really likes to play doom3 would be sensible to choose nvidia - while if you are a big fan of halflife and prehaps only want to play doom3 occasionaly then it would be wise to go with ati.its all pretty simple stuff really yet i read below this post now and see total morons choosing or supporting a gfx card blind to everything apart from the brand name.

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Anonymousat 12:59'Whoa looks like ATI is desperate with the continuos blows from Nvidia. After blindly flaming shader 3.0 and call it a crap, now they desperately want it in their cards. That's like eating their own shit.'err... no.thats actually ati waiting for the correct time to bring ps3 into their cards.imagine its say 7 years ago & like nvidia bringing out an agp graphics card when no pc uses agp yet.by the time the new ati card is out you will just be seeing the start of the new wave of ps3.0 games being released, yet all this time nvidia users will have had ps3.0 but no games to take advantage.do you understand???

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i laugh at all u retards talking about nonsence, sure the cards get better and everyone wants the best, but actually think about it, nVidia has WAY more cons that ATi, and anyone who still says ATi has ANY problems with drivers or stability, u need to get ur brain checked because i am laughing SO hard, its not even funny, cause u have no idea what ur talking about cause if uve only had nVidia for the past 10 years, tou would nvr know. and anyone who HAS had problems with an ATi card, has definatly got HUGE issues, or it is a problem with with ur motherboard or something, and how is it that most games seem to run better on ATi. You wanna talk about doom 3? It was configured for nvidia, if u go and edit certain files and config it for ATi, u can get a HUGE performance upgarde, along with new drivers that upgrade it too, since the game was DESIGNED for nvidia drivers. So if u dont actually know what ur talking about, and cant prove ur point, u dont deserve to talk. If u have a useless comment like ATi wins of nVidia or ATi sucks or something, u just dont realize how stupid u are, cause both cards are better at certain games, if u want to compare, u cant compare against a game where one card has a serious advantage. I know some retard will talk about how much better ATi is because of Half LIfe 2, and ive already seen hundredds of retards talk about how much better nVidia is because of doom 3, so just shutup and dont talk about stupid stuff like that. Almost all of u are retards with the exception of 1 of every 10 ppl here. Ur decision all depends on what u want to do with ur card, if u want to play doom 3, ur best bet is to buy a nvidia, and if u want to play half life 2 or cs:source, get an ATi, and for the retard who i know would say cs:source has nothing to do with half life 2, they are using the same engine, so infact, they are quite similar

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

"no m8 nvidia didnt win a round did they.? they won doom3.. half life 2 is ATI's"Thats incorrect, the 6800gt is the same price as the x600 ($400). Yet the 6800 has 4 more pixel pipelines and is well over %10 faster in almost everything.If you read the latest issue of maximumPC, you would clearly understand that nvidia did infact win this round.

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

uhhm tomas far as i know it is WAY faster than just 10% :Pall the benchmarks i have seen shows a HUGE difrence in the x600 to the 6800.. sometimes up to 50%!and i do not know where u get your 3d cards but.. where i get em the x600 is 120 dollars cheaper than the 6800gt..and 1 more thing.. people..want a good 3d card..ok well first u have to ask your self 1 thing, how much money am i willing to spend?100-200 dollarswell than u will NOT get a 3d card that runs everything on high.. yes if u do want 1, go look for a verry cheap ati 9600xt200-300 dollarshere u can get some cards that can run games on the market today at full detail whit no massive frame drops at all.. go for the 9800 pro 256 mb300-400.. well dont get anything here.. the cards in this price class are just in the middle.. the are VERRY good now.. but suck in 1 year, so if u want 1 and u have this amount of money.. get the 9800 pro it will run every game that is on the market and yes.. it will run hl2 to..but i dont think it will run games that come out in a year at full detail smoothly..400-500 dolarsok here u can get the real 3d cards.. the x800pro and the 6800gt are in this class, get 1 of those and u do not have to worry about if your 3d card can handle a game for at least 2 years.. when u have 1 of these.. dosnt matter what game u got, put the details on max and it will run xtremly smooth..( the 6800gt is a litle bit faster, around 5-6% but it alsow cost like 40 dollars more)500-600 dollarsok any who even save this amount of money for a 3d card, should go for the x800xt or the 6800utlra.. the x800xt is faster so i req that 1... but even i u get the 6800ultra, u can run EVERY game for AT LEAST the next 2 years.. i think 3 years at max settings max resolution dosnt matter.. max it all and it runs whit out any problem..u may think.. why on earth did i sayd all this? well to show those sad ati and nvidia fan boys that it dosnt matter wich card u get.. in every price clas

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

long horn the new intel and suprisingly microsoft is holding back and waiting for intel.....hummmm. does this mean that intel, and microsoft are paying eachother huge loads and ati might have something to do with it.....now i wonder? maybe nvidia and amd are at some scheme too? and the cs source benchmarks just proved that nvidia killed ati again.muahahahaha nvidia is king again. and remeber ati going oh we are releasing a 500 card who cares about the people who buy it...they dont need ps3.0 we have full precision bull shit...see people who bought x800 got ripped the f**k off cuz now you need to buy a new card in under a year...ouch!!!

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holy crap ppl, PS3.0 is not a requirement for ANY game and nvr will be for a while, until then, new nvidia cards are COMPLETELY USELESS and Ati card owners wont need to upgrasde to play new games. U guys are all retards too to compare a 6800 to an x600, that was the most assinine comment ive ever seen...dont bother speaking ppl

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Look on newegg, 6800gt is $425 x800pro (4 less pipelines) and is $429. Sorry for saying x600 earlier.Take a look at max. PC mag.: UT03 flyby the 6800gt wins by over 27 points. Halo: the 6800gt is over 10fps faster.If you dont think nvidia won this round your a flat out retard. x800pro was rated a 7 for it being overpiced and getting pwned at practicly everything and the 6800gt got a 9 and a kickass award.HERES A QUOTE FOR U FANBOY FAGGETS on the x800XT "it's not fast enough to beat the nVidia card"ATI LOST THIS ROUND. PERIOD.

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Nvidia's Fan boys, dam what fags that don't know shit about technology and just praise the name becuz it's everywhere on gamez, keep bitching"The Way It's Ment to Be Played" f**k that! I've seen and will contiue to see Ati dust those games which have those logos cuz they mean nothing! Ati owns Nvidia, they have the most market share so the industry is behind them and will follow them, SM 3.0 will come for Ati videocards, and to say that Ati was saying shit about those new 3.0 shaders, is total misinformation, they were sure enough that no game would support it for a while and they were dam right, and now u pussies are shitting becuz Ati is going to release their SM3.0 enabled card, get a life! Ati has the crown alright, and I do agree that Nvidia has improved WAY BETTER than before than on their previous crappy NV30series videocards for now but still hasn't shaked Ati's Mood yet, 9700 team is behind this new videocard and all I know is that team is friggen serious when it comes to a gaming revolution, they know how horny those Nvidia Fan Boys hav become for a challenge and now they'll have to wait and see, when it is released, cuz it'll bruise their f**king ego! lol, JKS! :)

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

Sorry ATI too late. They will still have a hard time to work out the kinks of their new architecture. The x800 infact is just a rework of the Radeon 9800 Pro's architecture. Which means its at its absolute limits. It can go no higher. Ontop of that if you look at the benchmarks for overclocking for cards from ATI and nVidia. You will soon notice ATI standardizes their clocks higher then normal to the severe limits of the cards just to gain that bit more. While ATI can gain at most on their average cards 5% overclock, the nVidia boards go as high as 33% with an average easilly ranging at 15%. Thats 3 times more. Why? Because they set the clock lower to increase stability. Plus nVidia gains more performance per clock cycle, furthing the effecincy of the cards. Not to mention nVidia at this moment is developing video cards 2 generations ahead of this one. ATI is at a huge loss, they are not even producing enough cards to meet the demands of them, so they are losing huge business alliances which make them shitloads of money. More money = more development = better cards. They are new to creating new successful architectures. So we'll have to see how good they make a new line. You can definately tell they are feeling the heat, getting caught with their pants down. As future progresses ATI will lose even more. Using older technology in the new series of cards. Gives nVidia a wide range to stretch its new architectures muscle. nVidia is bigger, better, and it will just continue this way. nVidia bought up almost all major video card developers in the past, including the famous 3dfx team, which was the original developers of the SLI(Voodoo series of video cards to all you who are old enough to actually know them). Just watch, as nVidia tweaks and hones this new generation into a mean ass machine that tears all the new games up. Its sad to see ATI suck so bad just because without competition we all lose in price. So go nVidia, I'm glad they start delivering what they are supp

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All your bias opinions are retarded and competely uncalled for. Just look at the statistics. Every game nVidia is winning. They win in Price, Benchmarks, and Overclocking LOL. How you idiots nvidia fans or ati at all can cheer for any other card is retarted. LOOK AT THE RESULTS. Not your silly idealism. nVidia delivered a solid card this time. So ATI has to take all the damage. Maybe they will actually work this time and make something good. If not and ATI goes to shit. Who cares they are canadian.

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

"holy crap ppl, PS3.0 is not a requirement for ANY game and nvr will be for a while, until then, new nvidia cards are COMPLETELY USELESS"That came from an ATI fanboy...It's amazing to see ATI fanboys blindly whining about PS3.0 while lots and lots of facts are in front of them showing how wonderful the PS3.0 is. Envy? Envidia that's for sure...Oh there's an article for you. Check this out...[url removed] but not the least is believe it or not ATI's golden child Half Life 2 will have Shader model 3.0 support that currently works only with Nvidia cards. OUCH!

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

Looks like Catalyst drivers are having problems with PS3.0 games. Why am I not surprised. They should be entered to the Guiness Book of Records for being the crappiest generations of drivers ever made.

ATI R520 With Shader 3.0

Ati made a mistake and they know they did as soon as shit started to pour out of Nvidia fan boy's mouths and others who are payed to be loyal to those "oh we got this and u dont" faggots. I think all had a feeling as soon as SM3.0 was announced by Nvidia's Camp and not Ati's, that's business, and now the R500 architecture is being built up and planned out by the legendry 9700 aka "R300" creators team. I guess Ati is going to have to start being bitchy and pushy as Nvidia is becoming now adays to stay ahead of the industry. I'm sure they're going to bring something harder and more powerful to the graphics lineup, unlike their X800s which are no doubt great, but u could say they're just older models on steriods. C'mon for good times sake we wanna see Nvidia's ego fall again, lol. Ati just seemed to hav gotten the Nvidia flu, turn greedy and not provide the end users with a top quality state of the art, modern piece of graphics hardware. People make mistakes, and it seems Ati's first one, slacking off and thinking they've won forever, this competition will never end, so they'll have to keep delivering more than the competitors, like Nvidia.PEACE OUT!

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no one said ps3.0 is a requirement...first of all, and second, even your gay ass hl2 is gonig to support ps3.0...and lastly you x800 f**kers just paid 500 for a card that only has 12 pipelines and you are not getting a fully featured product that matches the current market in technology like ps3.0....to get ps3.0 you need to buy this junk to have it...and how long have you had your x800 3-4 months?ahahahhaha...i hope you are rich. and one last thing to the fag who wrote that none of the coming games support ps3.0...uhh moron read the list of games on teh other megagames link about hl2 using ps3.0...wow morons..complete idiots.

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For f**ks sake people!Why do you all give a f**k about what cards play games better?THEY ARE ALL THE SAME! If they play the f**king games why should you care if another one gets 5 fps higher?! Neways grpahics card arn't the only thing contributing to games performace what about processors, RAM and all that? If you have a shit processor then a mega beast graphics card is literally useless.True PS 3.0 doesn't yet exist the current PS 3.0 is like 'PS 2.5' because DirectX 9b doesn't have full PS 3.0 support, when DirectX 10 comes out is when you will have full support, and that won't be untill Longhorn comes out. So just shut up and wait!

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