ATI's NV35 Killer has Taped Out

According to industry sources ATI's R360, the so-called NV35 killer, has taped out and is speedily moving towards the retail shelves. The chip will aim to reclaim the speed crown for nVidia and hold the fort until the R420, or Loki, arrives. The fact that the R360, which will have core and memory running at 400 MHz, has taped out suggests that boards may be ready by as early as September.

Considering that the difference between the nVidia's FX 5900 Ultra and ATI's Radeon 9800 PRO is not that great as it is, it is very likely that an improved product will provide ATI with the speed crown, at least until nVidia unleashes its NV40 chip. The real fight will be to see if ATI will manage to produce the Loki before or at the same time nVidia introduce the NV40.

Whether you like one company or the other you will have to admit that this fight for the speed crown has become an extremely interesting one, with both nVidia and ATI trading blows at a frantic pace. Although sometimes ridiculous, this extreme competitiveness can only help consumers by lowering the price of cards faster as new ones are released.

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ATI's NV35 Killer has Taped Out

This is fantastic. Both companies, feircly trying to out pace the other one, pushing technology ahead faster and faster and lowering prices.I love it.I am an ATI fan, but nVidia is a great company with great products as well.Cheers to the consumers.

ATI's NV35 Killer has Taped Out

It's not like the performance crown went exclusively to the nv35 anyways. Both the 9800pro and the 5900 Ultra are so close in performance they are very similar. If anything, they both share the performance crown. Because how can you say Nvidia has the crown alone when it's iq is not as good as ATI's and the speed difference between the 2 is minimal at best. Some games running faster on the 5900, some games running faster on the 9800pro.

ATI's NV35 Killer has Taped Out

... the nv35 is not the FX 5900! and by the way nvidia has the fastest memory speeds,up to 1GHz and DDR 2thats the 5800 ultra by Asus.ATI cards cant produce as much graphics and other specials as the 5800 ultra and the 5900 ultra! its a fact! ATI just a bit faster. other than that ATI is rubbish. Nvidia cards are programable...no what that means?. it works with a wider selection of games = more.

ATI's NV35 Killer has Taped Out

LOL who cares... Hey the thing I like about this is the Prices will continue to drop.. It's back and forth back and forth... I like both companies.. I really dont care who is the speed king anymore.. THey are bOTH EXTREMELY well graphics cards. Since I havent upgraded since GeForce 4 Ti4600 I look forward to any advancements that make 9800 pro or 5900 ultra drop. That just brings out joy in me. I am tired of everybody whining saying how this company is soo much better than this one. I actually wouldnt mind if another company jumped in the race. Im waiting for Nv40 and ATIs Next one.. This will be good timing for DOOM 3 and Half Life 2.

ATI's NV35 Killer has Taped Out

half life 2 will not impress. the game isnt going to be that great. now check out the game Far Cry, and you just might cry at the new Pollybumpmapping technology. I am telling, this game will be up there with Doom 3. and way above half life 2go to [url removed] see the technology. unbelievable detail. CGI graphics.

ATI's NV35 Killer has Taped Out

Re: Anonymous @ 16:35 18/7/2003Yeah, because the physics, story-line, and mod-ability, among other things in HL2 will be such a huge disappointment. Dumbass.Far Cry will be awesome too. DOOM 3 will likely be cool graphics and nothing more.

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ugh, I'm getting sick of this.f**kin new cards every 3 months now.by the time those new cards are released, the ATi 9800pro and 5800fx will be outdated.Prices are going higher on new cards at release and gotta wait longer now for them to actually drop in price.When the ATi Radeon 8500 first came out, I went out and got it. In 3 months after I got it, it was considered outdated.I use to care about this kinda stuff, but now, I just gave up on upgrading my comp or buying a new a comp. It's not the fact that I don't have money cause I do but it's ridiclouis now and pointless for just playing games.Look, another AngryBot who has been brain-washed into believeing that HL has a good story and good physics. HL has mod-ability but thats the only thing going for it.Dude, HL2 uses scanned-textures and if you know what scanned textures are, you will that scanned textures are shit.That video you saw for HL2 with the dune buggy is not actual gameplay.It's just a video that will be in HL2.

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quite frankly, i would hope that most of you arent gonna start another frigging 'OMFG nVidia is better; NO ATi is better'. Dont be pathetic.now i know some of you are nVidia Humpers, but in the end, would you give a flying scrotum if you are running Half-Life 2 at 100fps (1600x1200x32, with 6xFSAA and 16xAF) on a 5900 Ultra, nv40, 9800 pro, or Loki; IMO i wouldnt give a shitget your acts together, it doesnt really matter that much does it?this is ****** signing out

ATI's NV35 Killer has Taped Out

heh, new cards!!!, dam i was going to buy the 9800 pro 3 days ago but didnt had the 400+ dollars guess ill wait for the next card... for the guy that said that 5800 card is greater i pity you, the 5800 was one of the greates disapointments on the card indutry, having so much power and yet very low performance. its a fact that 5900 is an awesome card and that beats in a lot of ways the 9800 pro even by a little, but the 5800 was a laugh so don start commenting on shit, and as the last post, stop saying who is best, both are tremedously good companies qand both have quality cards, but not standing in either one means to be able ot accept ati had shitty drivers and are improving adn that both companies have good and bad cards.one thing i need to ask to anyone, does the GeForce 4 Ti4800 card beat the hell out of the Fx5600?? since the performance of 5200 and 5600 is a joke to me but saw that fx5600 had 88million vertices and newly geforce4 produced 128 or so millions.

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Please dont use all caps.Im glad to see some semi-ok conversations going on here, not just nVidia/ATi rules or stuff.Remember that its not about ure benchmark tests, its about how fast and how well your games play at 1600x1200. thats all that really matters. 3dMark is good for comparing SYSTEMS in a magazine or website, but from one generation of cards to the next (6 mo or less), its not gonna do a whole lot. but hey, if it means high end cards are gonna come down fast, pump out the cards guys!Oh, and finally kids, its a FACT that many games are developed with nVidia cards in mind, even if that means that nVidia payed them a ton of $$. The difference is marginal, but its the TRUTH. Dont argue.

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"ATI cards cant produce as much graphics and other specials as the 5800 ultra and the 5900 ultra! its a fact! ATI just a bit faster. other than that ATI is rubbish. Nvidia cards are programable..."Are you a moron? Please tell all of us what advanced graphics the 5800, 5900 has over the 9700pro or the 9800pro? All cards are programable. This was all marketing hype to say one card is more programable then the other. And to let you know, ATI cards produce better image quality bar none. Better AA. Nvidia is still using gforce4 anti-alasing techniques."Oh, and finally kids, its a FACT that many games are developed with nVidia cards in mind, even if that means that nVidia payed them a ton of $$. The difference is marginal, but its the TRUTH. Dont argue."That has been changing very rapidly since the 9700pro was released and the 5800 was a dud. And all this cheating crap and lower IQ from Nvidia cards. Things have changed so drastically over the past year....

ATI's NV35 Killer has Taped Out

The 4800 and the 4200 beats the 5600 Ultra in most tests not using AA. The 5600 is a waste of money. The 5200 is plain shit. A true scam card for the unknowing fools. Just like the MX line of crap Nvidia was shoveling.

ATI's NV35 Killer has Taped Out

Wow did i mess up i got one of the 5600 ultr cards the one with the 350mghz core and not 400 sheeesh i think my old 8500 is a better card lol well any way after playing a few games BF1942 mostly i have found out that the FX and TI line of cards is really not good at all lines get panted all over. well i think im gonna sell this and get a 9800 when the new ATI card comes out and oh yeah 256 ram does nuthing for any game out right now

ATI's NV35 Killer has Taped Out

Nvidia claimed it was impossible to get the results ATI is getting on 15nm die size. This is why they went to 13nm. And look what ATI has done. They just released the revised 9800pro with higher core and memory speeds. They are producing cards that have almost the same clock speeds as the fx line running on a smaller die size. That's amazing engineering. Plain and simple. Nividia said this could not happen. And it has.

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"Well, this really bites the big one. xbit is reporting that Valve developers have identified a bug in current DX9 hardware when using FSAA algorithms. It appears that there is a workaround for ATI hardware, but is almost impossible to fix for NVIDIA based graphics cards.Valve continued that this is a problem for any application that packs small textures into larger textures. The small textures will bleed into each other if you have multi-sample FSAA enabled.Currently both leading graphics chips designers use multi-sampling or hybrid multi-sampling + super-sampling methods to for FSAA.The developers of the legendary Half-Life game said that drivers are not likely to solve the problem, however, it still can be solved for graphics cards based on VPUs from ATI Technologies, such as RADEON 9500-, 9600-, 9700- and 9800-series. As for NVIDIA GeForce and GeForce FX-series, there are practically no chances to find a workaround, according to Valve."That's a bitch for Nvidiai......

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I also agree, let the "war" continue....we have nothing to loose. :) I still prefer Nvidia cards, (with a little overclock).lets say my geforce default speed where:Core--> 175 to 204RAM --> 166 to 216Although my GeForce 2 MX 400 it's PCI it stills deliver a great performance, in DVD's, games and such, and it wasn't no fan or heatsink. :PIf you want to overclock your Nvidia card just click this link and download the file then run it. It will active the clock frequency tab on the Proprietys of your GeForce ou RIVA. Then do what you please.[url removed] visit [url removed] 2 MX 400 ( 4ever )!!

ATI's NV35 Killer has Taped Out

God is on my side.... I just knew it!!!! ATI always has somethin' in her sleeves! ATI have good strategy... they introduce their chips on the last second!well,think HL2 was ATI, and DOOMIII was Nvidia.DOOMIII introduced itself a loooong time ago, and before a loooong time ago everyone said "ohhhhhh!!!! ahh!!!! another DOOM game!!!! weeee!!!! such good graphics!" and it got the best game of E3 tons of times, untill the last second, where HL2 introduced itself, and now everyone say "DOOMIII is shit, just old crap 2 year old technology... HL2 rocks!!!"all because Nvidia don't know how to bring an audience and fans to their club, ATI do it faster, Nvidia doit longer.... ATI make their chips slower, because they think of everything before they introduce it. I didn't see any ATI card that had bugs on it... Nvidia had tons on each one of them....

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I might be wrong but i'd bet good money that both Doom3 AND HL2 are being built FOR ATI chips.Doom3 had that whole video showcase thing that was done in partnership with ATI, do you remember the 'Doom3 ATI' video? The one with the very first video shots of Doom3? Well a big deal was made about Doom3 being 'sided' with ATI then.And look at HL2 now. At E3 where that demo was played (err, who said it was just a video from HL2? I'm sorry, you are talking out of your arse), they did it on an ATI rig.At the end of the day, opinions are like assholes; everyone's got one. But I think that ATI looks to be leading the gaming troops at the moment. They just seem to be more in touch with the 'gamers' today, whereas nVidia look to be all about the money. They just seem more like a 'big company', maybe it's cos I can still remember the day they took over 3DFX. But, as usual, it'll be the young upstarts who win the day. Hoorah.

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do you not remember ati leaking the doom3 alpha? that p!ssed id off no end. doomIII is "the way its ment to be played" ie nvidia sponsored now. all that stuff bout no fsaa on nvdia & hl2 is bullsh!t thats ati sponsoring valve. hl2 is set to be next next big thing and with ati& valve partnered dont you think its abit odd that that valve are saying fsaa works on ati and not nvidia? even tho nearly every modern 3d games has working fsaa...i cant wait to pirate hl2 and tell valve to shove fsaa up thier ass coz i can run at 1600x1200 on my nvidia.

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Talking about hardware is never boring....if you know what are talking about. :)It's good to campare ideias and tricks that many people do to their hardware, and share it with people that know less (so everyone may save some bucks). That's charity and filantropism. :P

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The 3D-industry is becoming ridicilous. I don't wanna spend 500 € - 600 € on a graphics card which I know it will not be able to play the newest games on its best quality after 10 months.The market is moving to quick and if they don't stop with this speedwar the industry could sign its own end. There are bounderies when considering economical capabilities. In a bad economic climate such speedmoves aren't possible anymore. Sales will drop and the companies will not be able to invest as much in research as they did before.Not the cards should be improved, but instead the programmers who make the games should do more with less technology. Why did games like G-Police run at my Celeron 200 Mhz, 32 MB RAM, Voodoo 2? The games of today need 10-fold those qualifiactions to run at their best.Not the hardware but the software should be improved. That's my point of view. i'm not a technical genious, but Mac computers use 700 Mhz processors and run certain games as smooth as a 2 Ghz Intel machine. Maybe this isn't comparable for 100% but it is a thing you could start thinking about.

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I personally believe that the speed race is not as close as it seems. You see, technically ati is already beating nvidia. Because when you combine the lack of performance and the cheating on benchmarks nvidia has done in the past, i believe this makes them a loser. I think ati is a winner because they don't lie. Who cares that every single time a new game comes out we have to get new drivers? And that sometimes those drivers ruin older games like half life and cs for all of us? I know i do not. Ati roxorz all of your boxorz.This is for you Brettley

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Ben,I would like to say that you suck. Obviously the economy being down in the US hasn't overly affected the grahics industry. I say this because, WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY WASTE MONEY IF NOBODY WAS BUYING IT!!? Just because you want to play games on your beat up celeron and voodoo, doesn't mean the rest of us should not have good graphics. You see i bet you can barely run HL in 640x480. And if you can't do that. You can't really play any games buy atomic bomberman and maybe some old schoool police quest. You should have no problem running PQ at it's most awesome settings. You see ben, some of us like this thing called realism. Some of us when we shoot a guy in the head with a shock rifle from 100 yards away, some of us want to see their head explode and not have it be 2d pixels likee quake or HL. So in closing i would like to say this.just because YOU suck doesn't mean the REST OF US have to. Get it? Got it? GOOD.Stealths and TBirds forever!

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There is only one problem though, drivers. Both of these companies are pushing so fast that they have not bothered to examine their drivers as well as they normally should. As a result you have drivers with mirginal to serious flaws which leave users with problems that will not be resolved until the next driver comes out which could be a while. In addition they are putting so much work into boosting the speed that they probably have not looked entirely at how long the card will rielly last while running constantly at those speeds. I say they should at least make these cards so they stay stable and will not eventually burn out even if they are not being overclocked.

ATI's NV35 Killer has Taped Out

Personally i like Nvidia BUT i think this competition between the two companies has some ups and downs for both. The extra competition is bringing us better products much faster, however, to do so, each hide technology from each other, slowing us down in that aspect. Also for people like me, i can't afford the ongoing increase in new graphics cards. Also at the moment, hardware is developing faster than software.

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Ben is right in many ways, he just exagerated. If they don't let games come out so they can fully optimize the current technology, then we will always be stuck buying newer cards.And anyways, newer games are mostly crap, they are all hype, and graphics. If you remember Sundog for the Atari ST then you will know that older gems are truly better.

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Nvidia moves to reassure world+dog on driversIs perhaps does an 180 degree u-turn a better phrase?By INQUIRER staff: Saturday 19 July 2003, 11:48THE CHAP who runs Driverheaven has had a letter from Nvidia in which it moves to clarify its position about third party drivers.See Nvidia cracks down on third party driver development.The statement is on the Driverheaven site, but essentially Nvidia is saying that it was "reluctantly forced" to take the actions it did. And Nvidia said it's not "company policy" as to future third party drivers.It claims it promotes third party drivers and that it just wants end users to be aware of the risks of using them.LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Total 360 turn from their original bullshit statements regarding Omega Drivers. And all of you said otherwise. Nvidia is full of shit. FULL OF IT. Like i said before, the bad press they recieved because of them doing this from the gaming community MADE them change thier views. It had nothing to do with copy-right infrigment or alterations of drivers. It was another power move Nvidia tried to pull and got burned by the very community that buys and supports it's products. Total hypocrites. This sounds exactly like the same shit like the 3dmarks fiasco. Retracted statements and bullshit.

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And Nvidia claiming..."it just wants end users to be aware of the risks of using them."Is total crap because that very Omega Web-site has disclaimers all over it stating this very point. That their are risks involved using their drivers. Nice try Nvidia.

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I used Nvidia Geforce4 MX, i was glad to have it. Now I have radeon 9700 pro. Speed difference is amazing, driver stability is amazing, everything rocks. Now all i hear and read bout nvidia is how loud their coolers are, how they fake their scores and what ever else.Dont understand me wrong, without one there cant be another, if 1 of them claims the speed crow, other must take action fast.. its progress.But here i must agree, Nvidia is full of shit, f**k them. AMEN

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if u considure that 3.2 GHZ cpu with NV35 can run Doom 3 smooth, on high details ( theory ). Then by 2010 we should have reality. When was it, 1992 when wolfenstein 3D came, 1st 3D game. Well now its like 11 years and we done such huge progress. In 2004 3.6 GHZ xDR will be out, used in graphic cards, todays top speeds will double by next summer, maybe even triple. I must agree, its very expencive, but its tehnology and sooner or later there wount be much to fight about. + software does suck, Microsoft and Direct X , thats the unoptimized shit.peace

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I have to agree with Tele. I have read the statements Nvidia made with respect to Omega and it's driver enhancements for Detanator drivers. That they must stop doing it. Now reading this article that Nvidia wants to clarify it's postion on 3rd party driver companies is hypocritical at best. They release it's lawyers on Omega, however do not do the same for this other site that does the same thing. Then turns around and says...."it promotes third party drivers..."Now is that 3rd party drivers from anyone BESIDES Omega? Very puzzling. Made me think a bit. So i started to look at the site Omega drivers are released from. It seems that some of there reviews have not been exactly too flattering towards the fx line of cards lately. Which to be honest is quite true and not a lie. Minus the 5900 series. Which is a decent card. The rest, the 5600, 5200 are sub-par cards for the money and performance. So it seems Nvidia has taken another stand against another site that give it's products less then flattering reviews. Just like Theinquirer.net...TechReport.com...Extremetech.com...Beyond3d.com. Those sites have been shunned by Nvidia of recent because they gave the fx line not so great reviews. The truth hurts sometimes. But it will set you free................

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in response to Anon saying that a 3.2 ghz with nv35 can run doom 3 at full everything. To this i must say, your full of shit. Who cares what stuff runs doom 3 at? It may be the "greatest engine ever" but they still need to make a game based off of it. Anyhow D3 will be shown up by HL2. I meant they're slating release's soon, and will probably be out by spring 04 latest. If D3 comes out by then i'll shit myself. But i think we will be past real in 2011.

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all i can say is my radeon 9000 pro 2 is running great still and with all the new cards comeing out so damn quick that means the new cards now will drop in 55555price quick and as soon as HL2 comes out i am getting the radeon 9600 256mb and it runs all most as fast as the 9800 at lest i think at a 375 core and 450 mem

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