Carmack Says No GeForce4-MX for Doom

John Carmack, id Software's lead programmer of Doom fame, has lashed out at nVidia for the release of GeForce4.
Any public comment from such an influencial figure, which contains the phrase "Do not buy a GeForce4-MX for Doom" is worth a closer look. According to Carmack ATI 8500 support for Doom is complete and "GF4-MX will still run Doom properly, but it will be using the NV10 codepath with only two texture units and no vertex shaders. A GF3 or 8500 will be
much better performers."

Carmack suggests that nVidia have really messed up the naming of their products and adds;
"Nvidia has really made a mess of the naming conventions here. I always
thought it was bad enough that GF2 was just a speed bumped GF1, while GF3 had
significant architectural improvements over GF2. I expected GF4 to be the
speed bumped GF3, but calling the NV17 GF4-MX really sucks."

You can read Carmacks complete comments and his interesting comparison of nVidia and ATI drivers and hardware here.

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Carmack Says No GeForce4-MX for Doom

Alright read the artical, the full one...this guy is obviously a quack. He bashes nVIDA... yeah well my Ge2 MX is running rtcw and moh at avg 40fps, and what dont by a Ge4...cause your stupid game wont work. Well simple solution, I wont buy your dumb game and all the other nVIDIA Ge4 and Ge2 users wont either. Good plan on making your game run look/run like shit on 75% of all computers.

Carmack Says No GeForce4-MX for Doom

For those of you who are still dazzeled by Nvidia's marketing department, wake up! They are releasing cards so fast that consumers cannot keep up. They still have the nerve to charge more for a GF3 than ATI is charging for a Radeon 8500! I don't want to know what they will charge for the GF4! But back to the artice; if a well respected developer (who has been developing games longer than NVidia has been making 3D cards I might add) says do not by the GF4 MX, do not by the GF4 MX. Don't be suckered in by hype and marketing!

Carmack Says No GeForce4-MX for Doom

I'm gonna have to agree with anonyomous on this one...It's bad enough the starting price for a gf4 is 400 dollars, worse even than 6 months ago I bought a gf3 for 400 dollars, but he's right. ID has been making games a hell of a lot longer than Nvidia has been in existance. I think its safe to assume that if you have a gf3, your pretty well set.. I saw the benchmarks from gf3 to the new gf3's (ti crap) and its a difference of like 10 fps. pretty sad when you consider the cost difference. I doubt gf4 will be much better...save your money, and pray that ati starts doing good, so that nvidia can mark down their prices. I wish 3dfx was still around so that I didn't have to pay so damn much for a video card.

Carmack Says No GeForce4-MX for Doom

Um... nVIDIA doesn't rip off the customers my ass! any way, some of you are smart, some of you are dumb. For the smart ones, two thumbs up. For the dumb ones... your missing the point. Do you know why there isn't a GF3 MX??? BECAUSE THE CHIP NEEDS NEEDS NEEDS! DDR memory. For all it's features, and can't go with out it. So if you think about it (that might hurt a little) doesn't that mean a GF4 is downgraded? I love iD for this, I think it shows that they know what they are talking about. any whom, you can flame me now, cause your all a bunch of lamers, not like I'm gonna read this after words.

Carmack Says No GeForce4-MX for Doom

Okay "MRKILLLL", first of all you dumb in all ways... I my self like Nvidia but what do you know about Ati..? they are making Nvidia push down there price on all there cards and second of all they might come upp with something good, so shut up and talk when you have some good facts behind the things you say...!PS; were is 3dfx when you need them

Carmack Says No GeForce4-MX for Doom

Ohhh and by the way Anonymous at 6:15 15/1/2002!!!!!Be care full you foul, carmack never said that you should buy his game but if you wana play it he recomends some cards that does better, so take your fat head out of your ass and read the article...well when doom is out you have probably teen more crad to pic from sooooo, and 40fps LOOOOL, even Quake 3 hacks with that fps....

Carmack Says No GeForce4-MX for Doom

I personally like the BW STRATA' , got 750 mhz 256 SGRAM , 900 mhz core GPU.Benchmark 200785 in 3D Mark 1998Duke Nukem 3D runs at smooth 50000 fpsSo you can shine my pretty red torpedo, and suck it dry.INS MAP S16:=FS1_DATA:PUBLICFIRE PHASERS 9WRITE "BACKSTREET CONCERT AT %MONTH,%DAY_OF_WEEK,%HOUR: %MINUTE: %AM_PM"APHRIDITE VIRUS IS OUT THERE, RUN, RUN FAR, FAR AWAY.I EAT TACO, AND SUSHI.SHUSHI? TACO!SHUSHI? TACO!I LIKE PINK BEARS IN TOO- TOO'SI ATE A ROTTEN AVACODO AND HAVE REALLY BAD GAS.MY TOLD I COULDNT DO THISHOMOTION DRIVE 1024CHI CHI, TX 75641CALL ME AT384-666-6969I STILL WANT TO SCRUB MY BIG RED TORPEDO, WILL YA?

Carmack Says No GeForce4-MX for Doom

duh, good old nvidia, damn foolshow long ago was the gf3 released.....not long and yet they feel they need to release yet another graphics card onto the market....idiotsIt's like the whole processor thing, fast speeds being reported every f**king month!PC games would look and play a hell of a lot better if technology advancements slowed down - they'd know exactly what kind of pc they're designing for and not just average - but nooooo, new graphics cards and processors being released every 4-6 months, and it takes at least a year for a (good) game to be created (that's not including pre-production either)I'm not really an nvidia fan either, but I know I'm gonna have to get one some day - they're like the Micro$oft of the graphics world!

Carmack Says No GeForce4-MX for Doom

I wouldn't call that lashing out. :pEveryone knows that the GF4 MX is more like the GF2 than anything else.Carmack said nothing about the GF4 Ti and IMHO this article is extremely misleading and makes it sound like id is against nVidia. He said nothing of the sort.I am concerned that this article could wrongly affect consumer opinion.

Carmack Says No GeForce4-MX for Doom

If you want to see, to live doom 3 in all its glory you have to own a minimum GeForce3 ti because it has pixel shader 1.0 . As you buy more advanced cards you will see more and more detailed and more beautiful. It is a shame to play doom3 with a GeForce4-MX or any other card that has no pixel shader. Pixel shader enables you to see effects that you could only dream on a GeForce4-MX and lower...

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