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The possibility of nVidia scrapping the NV30 is still there with the surprise being that there have been no emphatic denials yet. Even more surprising is that nVidia's partners have not said, or leaked, a word about the whole affair. The usually extremely talkative distributors have kept their lips shut so tight that it is likely that a gagging order, from the producer must be in place. It is rumoured that nVidia are not only not letting them talk but are keeping them completely in the dark. The same rumours also claim that partners will remain in the dark until one week before nVidia actually ships anything to them.

One explanation behind what may be happening is the possibility that the GFX core may be facing some overheating issues. Although many chips encounter difficulties while in development, a problem arising so close to the release date may damage the image of the upcoming chip but may also affect, adversely, the producers reputation. A reputation which nVidia would go to extreme lengths to protect. That is why such a fault scenario for the GFX seems likely. nVidia would try to keep everyone in the dark, possibly their own people too, while working at a frantic pace, behind the scenes, trying to fix whatever may be wrong. Suggestions that nVidia may scrap the GFX core completely seem unlikely, since except for the vast amounts of money poured into the project, there is also a question of prestige and allowing ATI to have the fastest product out there will be hard for the company to bear.

The possibility of a total reworking of the core, if indeed there is a problem, might make business sense, since nVidia has a well established market lead created by the sale of mid-range cards and not high-end ones, but if ATI decide to make the 9700 a budget board when the RV-350 (9900) is released, all sorts of things could go wrong for nVidia.

After all a successful mid-range sales record was only created for nVidia with the trust it instilled in customers by always having the best chip out there. If ATI take that away for long enough they could seriously move into the mid-range board market, the most profitable segment of desktop graphics.

Any effects of the scrapping or just the delay of NV30 will not be immediately felt anyway, it will only be another step up for ATI in their quest to reach nVidia in the ongoing graphics wars.

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I warned many people all along that there was gonna be heating issues with some of these cards. Guess nvidia finally examined the stress level the heat will have on the life of the card. It also makes sense as to why their keeping jaton and the others in the dark, jaton is slowly favoring sis xcabre series since its cheaper to build and distribute. This also tests the distributors to see who is loyal to the nvidia and who is ready to jump ship. This could though be just like the voodoo3 which was defective when first released though the later models rielly kicked ass. I think this may just be a temporary downward slump just like the economy right now. As for buying ati stock, I would reccomend instead that you get nvidia stock while its going low and when it rises you keep that stock while the ati stock starts to lower. When ati is low enough that stock is cheap then simply sell your nvidia stock and get ati stock so when it seesaws again you can make a profit. Don't you just love competition?

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im in the market of buying a new card, im running a geforce 2 right now i really need a new one. i would buy a ATI but i have heard stuff like "the drivers suck" "it doesnt work on all games"is all this true or just BS that nvidia fans say.any suggestions on what card i should get would be a great help :)

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I tried one of ATI's previos best before opting for a Geforce 3 which has served me well. And I had nothing but problems as the drivers were pants.Read any decent PC mag like Zone and they say the same.I'm waiting for the the FX or NV35 to come out for my next upgrade as I want to future proof my system for the next 18 months to 2 years.I've had Verions 1,2 & 3 i skipped ver4 as my G3 was fine. I would keep my G3 for longer but I want to get my PC ready for when DOOM 3 comes out.

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Guinny. First off. The fx 5800 Ultra you might as well forget that card. It has been scraped. Check inquirer.com As for drivers. I love that issue. Try running the 9ooo series of cards in particular the 9700pro with the 3.1 catlyst drivers. No issues what-so ever. Driver issue for ATI is a past issue. They update their drivers every 6-8 weeks. If you read reliable sources in the hardware community about the catlyst drivers you would know this to be true. Run a 9700pro in your box with those drivers. I have and currently am and have had no issues as of yet. And that goes for all the review sites that reviewed the 9700pro running the catlyst drivers. That issue is a dead one. And if you checked lately, even Nvidia's drivers have not been "perfect" like all the fan-boys would have hoped....Oh and the FX chip. Can't even beat the 9700pro in some tests. And that card is clocked at 500 mhz. Compared to the 9700pro's 325 mhz. The FX 5800 Ultra runs faster DDR2 memory and still can't "kill" the 9700pro the way the 9700pro destroyed the 4600ti in bench marks. So if that's what you call a "stinking" product, then what would you call the current line of chips for Nvidia???? Over-clocked, too hot, vacuum cleaner? Have you heard the 5800 Ultra? Down load the mp3 stream from [url removed] and see for yourself how this card turned to be a dud. Wait for the NV40 if it's released on time...........

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One thing Nvidia is amazing at is P.R. B.S. They have been saying for many months now how the new 5800 Ultra, FX chipset would be the 9700pro killer. Moreover, how it would be released before December. Still waiting... And like all the lemmings in the Nvidia fan-boy camp swallowed it all, hook, line and sinker. You fools waited for a product for 6 or 7 months to be released only to hear that Nvidia scraped it. Nvidia's P.R. department hyped this card to extreme levels only to screw you fan-boys who waited for it. And when hte card finally surfaced. (Only for a select hardware review sites) The first test results and performance were a complete let down. This was the card to put to shame the 9700pro like their P.R. department stated so much? That's why they killed it. With the RV350 and R350 coming out arond the end of Feb or March, the 5800 Ultra did not stand a chance. For one it would be slower. Run hotter. Sound like a jet engine on crack. And take up a extra PCI slot at that. And cost $500. Hmmm, spend $500 on that card hen you can buy a 9700pro for $320. Or wait for the R350 at the cost of $400 and have that card run faster then the 5800 Ultra. The real reason Nvidia scraped the card. Like i have always said. If 5800 Ultra was good enough to beat the 9700pro in all tests at good margins and did not cost a arm and a leg, i would have bought one the second they released it. I have no favorites. ATI or Nvidia. Just make a good product. This time around. Nvidia made a stinker.

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"It’s been entertaining to say the least watching NVIDIA’s PR folks go into “Damage Control” lately with the whole recent release of 3DMark 2003 – the first DirectX 9 benchmark to be released. Wouldn’t you like to know why NVIDIA never had a problem in the past promoting the use of 3DMark while their cards performed very well with it? Now that their new “baby” (NV30) is having fits keeping up with a six-month-old video card (9700 Pro), they claim that we should dismiss 3DMark 2003 because it’s a “synthetic benchmark” that doesn’t use any “real-world games”. Excuse me, but hasn’t 3DMark always been a synthetic benchmark? There’s nothing wrong with benchmarks like these – unless of course you’re in NVIDIA’s shoes right now and have what is perhaps the most popular benchmarking utility around not painting your latest technology in the “best light”.Just so you don’t think I’m making this stuff up, NVIDIA released the following statements yesterday:"3DMark03 combines custom artwork with a custom rendering engine that creates a set of demo scenes that, while pretty, have very little to do with actual games. It is much better termed a demo than a benchmark. The examples included in this report illustrate that 3DMark03 does not represent games, can never be used as a stand-in for games, and should not be used as a gamers’ benchmark.""Unfortunately, Futuremark chose a flight simulation scene for this test (game 1). This genre of games is not only a small fraction of the game market (approximately 1%), but utilizes a simplistic rendering style common to this genre. Further, the specific scene chosen is a high altitude flight simulation, which is indicative of only a small fraction of that 1%."Sure this demo takes place at “high altitude” – never mind the fact that the sky is completely filled with “action” – airplanes and explosions are everywhere.Since when does it matter to NVIDIA the type of game content used in 3DMark? After all, the lobby scene in 3DM

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....."3DMark 2001 was never used in any games."So, where do you find a true gamers’ benchmark? How about running actual games? Most popular games include a benchmark mode for just this purpose. Doom3, Unreal Tournament 2003, and Serious Sam Second Encounter are all far better indicators of current and upcoming game performance."Some pretty strong words from the same company who used to endorse the use of 3Dmark during which time its previous cards were at the top of the heap.With ATI’s R350 right around the corner, you have to ask yourself – “does purchasing a GeForceFX makes sense right now, if it’s only keeping pace with a R300?” Sure the NVIDIA-zealots will snag one – assuring themselves that “NVIDIA’s drivers are supreme” – outside of them it’s hard to tell. If you're only excuse for not getting an ATI card is "drivers"; it's a rather lame one at the point in the game."Ya you can wait for the 5800......

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BOTTOM LINE,DIRECT X 9.1 IS COMING. THEREFORE THERE IS NO POINT BUYING A GFX OR A R300. IF YOU HAVE BOUGHT A R300 RECENTLY RETURN IT AND WAIT FOR THE R350. THE R350 COULD VERY WELL SUPPORT THE NEW VERSION OF DIRECT X. MAKING ATI THE FIRST TO SUPPORT DIRECTX 9 & 9.1.

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THE NV30 IS CLOCKED HIGHER AND YET LOOSES MUCH OF THE BENCH MARKS TO THE SLOWER R300. WELL FOLKS THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THEIR CHIP. THERE IS NO WAY I'M GETTING NEAR THE FX SERIES CHIPSETS. I'M WAITING FOR THE R350. ATI ALWAYS HAD BETTER FSAA AND AF. I'M SURE THAT NVIDIA WILL CONTINUE TO USE THEIR f**kED COOLING SYSTEM. THEIR CG SUPPORT IS COOL BUT HAS AN IMPACT ON PERFORMANCE. IT MAKES YOU WONDER THOUGH WILL NVIDIA'S NEXT CARD BE CLOCKED HIGHER OR WILL THEY KEEP IT THE NV30 SPEED, BECAUSE THE NV30 ISN'T REALLY GOING ANYWHERE.

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256bit ddr2 memory, 2 tmu's, possibly 16 pixel pipelines, 128bit color all through the pipeline. Oh f**k yeah i'm waiting for the R350. All of you nvidiots waiting the nv30 for months just got let down, nvidia will continue to let you guy sdown because they ain't the king more.

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just bought a 9700 pro all in wonder and it is really worth every penny spent. For the same price of a new FX, you will get more bang for your money. I am saying it is an excellent card, comming from 3 generation Gforce owner. Built in TV card, excellent capture card, and awesome and unparalled graphics monster. Nuff said, Late.

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I don't know whay everyone says ATI drivers suck. I've had terrible experiences with Nvidia hardware, however none with ATI. My R300 is perfect, it has destroyed any game I've given it, even with all setting st to high.

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bottom line ati has a huge head start their on top of thingsthe R300 is 100% faster than the Ti4600/4800 whatever the name.the GFX is 10% faster than the R300.the R350 said to be 10-20% faster than the GFX and a $150 cheaperAll of you nvidiots are so gay.

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Once again. GFX is canned. They stopped production after 10,000 were made. There are too many problems with the Card. 1.Sounds like a f**king Vaccum.2.When the Card gets to hot it has an automatic clock down feature that kicks in.BTW,at random.3.It cost way to much to manufacture.4.You need one hell of a Power Supply because the Damn thing drains Voltage.Now some of you need to research this shit before you get on here and run your mouth. Nvidia dropped the ball. The 9700pro is one of the best cards to come out in a long time. Way too advanced for it's time.

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Well ati might just be Way too advanced for it's time. and thats just the problem for them we all renember gf4! It was the same story there!. The question is can ati ceep up in speed or are they throwing all their trumf card for the future??. To win his war it is not how much you sell that matters its how much you can endure sales losses by throwing out a card after the other. Cards that was suposed to be developed for next year. We all now that developers want to develope slow so they can make a lot of money of it. So ati better slow down and think i mean we who nows what nvidia is thinking about right now i only now that ati have been around for many years now and i think they wont give up that easy!.

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SRX, the 5800Ultra just keeps pace witht he 9700Pro. The card did not perform the way Nvidia hyped it to be. And with the release of the r350 and rv350 around the corner, it's only a matter of time before the 5800 ultra will be in the bargin bin. And that is of course if they don't scrap it. And by all intentions it looks to be so. They will push ahead with the 5800 non-ultra. What the card should have been. The Ultra version is just a over-clocked version to the max with a vaccum cleaner to cool it down. That experiment did not work. As all can see.......As for ATI drivers sucking. Old story which is so far from the truth. Try running the 3.1 catlyst drivers witht he 9700pro or 9500pro. No issues. This is the one area where all the Nvidia fan-boys try to tell b.s. about. Driver issue for ATI is long dead issue. Look at all the reviews.....

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As for that review on the 5800 Ultra. That's old news. Check inquier.com. They are canning the 5800 Ultra. And you need to look at more reviews on the 5800 Ultra on other hardware sites that are more reputable. A 10% increase in speed over the 9700pro(and thats not even in all cases) is a sad situation for Nvidia when they stated months ago that the card would"kill" the 9700pro. When FSAA+Ansioscopic filtering are enabled(which is a band width hungry feature) the 9700pro beats the 5800 Ultra. Due to the pathetic design of the 5800 Ultra not being able to support DD2 memory on a 256bit memory interface.( P.S. the 9700pro can do that. As well as the up-coming R350,RV350) And lets face it. The 580 Ultra would will be around $500. The 9700pro $320. People buy a high-end card these days to play their games with the highest quality detail on.(FSAA+Ansioscopic filtering samples) and this is where the 9700pro beats out the newer 5800 Ultra. And the quality of FSAA on the 5800 Ultra is not as good. Look at ALL of the reviews. Bottom-line. The 5800Ultra is a card that has the same archticture as the g-force4 series. It cannot support 256bit memory interface, so they opted to use dd2 memory and over-clock the card. And the result was poor. If people want to spend $150 more for a inferior card that takes up a extra PCI slot. Sounds too loud, and you need a min. of a 350 watt power supply to run. Then the 5800 Ultra is for you. If you can get one before the can it......

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"THAT PEGGY'S BEEN ringing me on my cellphone again, just as I was getting a box of chocs and a billet doux from my old friend Jack at TMTA.She says that, yeah, GeForce FX cards will indeed ship from the 20th, but there's trouble at the fab mill, Jim.According to her, there's an allocation of 2,000 cards for the US, 1400 for the European Union and a measly 750 for the whole of Asia.And Terratec, Creative, PNY, BFG, Gainward, Leadtek, Asus, and MSI will all have to share this generous amount between themselves.These cards will be 128MB cards, apparently, and you can kiss the 256MB cards farewell until the NV35 arrives"The R350 will have the option of 256mb of ddr2 or ddr1. Another oppurtunity missed by Nvidia.

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omg for the peeps that think nvidia sux.....you have no clue. i get 11000 on benchmark and i have a p4 1.8 gig of rd ram and g forcew 4 ti4600. i love it and i have not seen a stronger pc anywhere. NVIDIA ALL THE WAYI LOVE NVIDIA.....and the drivers get better all the time, thats what is so great about them.....the ati 9700 still has problems even now that it has been out for a while. a buddy of mine couldn't get his pc to even start while trying to install it.....LOL

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Hey Mr.11000. You must be a Newb. Since your so sure about who's on top you might want to go here [url removed] Check out the benchmarks and be sure to look at the 9700pro results while your there. BTW Ati is the clear cut winner. I don't think Nvidia sux. They just lost.

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*reads article*LOL! They are turning so INTEL.I've had my Hercules RADEON 9700 PRO (best 9700 pro in my opinion) for 2 months now and its GREAT!I'm not gonna need nVIDIA, with their silly card.*pats 9700 pro*Thats my baby. *smug* :-]

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YOU SAID THAT YOUR BUDDY COULD GET HIS COMPUTER TO START WHILE TRYING TO INSTALL THE 9700PRO, MAYBE HE FORGOT TO PLUG IT IN. JACKASS!THE TI4600 IS A PIECE OF SHIT, THIS FORUM IS ABOUT NEWER CARDS. SO LEAVE YOUR OLD SHITTY CARD OUT OF IT. THE TI4600 HAS MANY BUGS WITH MOTHERBOARDS, AND MANY SOFTWARE TITLES.

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