FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

We now have the image used by the French site, showing the scores of the cards involved. Details of other test results are not available but you can see the full image by following the screens tab above. A big thank you to Timothy for sending in the image.

The first benchmarks pitting nVidia's new baby, the Geforce FX 5900 Ultra DetR50, against the Radeon 9800 Pro have hit the web and then left it. French site tt-hardware.com presented a full set of benchmarks comparing the two main competitors for the graphics speed crown. The site has however, replaced the results and comparison with a message claiming News withdrawn at the request of nVidia.

The exact reasons behind nVidia's request are not specified but it is most probably the usual story of unfavourable results which, the manufacturer almost always claims, are caused by the last minute tweaking needed before the product is actually released.

Having no access to the original benchmark results it is hard to comment on what may have caused any unfavourable performance, if it is something suggesting that drivers may be responsible then it is easy to assume that any performance issues can be addressed in time. If there are other performance issues than it may be harder for nVidia to tackle them before the card is made available. Another possible reason why nVidia asked for the benchmark results to be removed may be that they want rivals, ATI, to remain in the dark a bit longer. It is no secret that the rivalry between the two graphics leaders has reached an all-time peak.

In any case the fact that nVidia requested the removal of the results gives an unfavourable impression and will certainly cause some negative comments in the hardware community. nVidia's recent performance has not been of a standard which would allow them to act in such an aggressive way and they still have to fight ATI for the top spot.
Fortunately for nVidia, they still have some time before the product is made available and we all expect them to get their act together and deliver a board that will truly challenge their Canadian rivals.

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FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

""ATI did not take the opportunity to increase clock speeds on this particular product, however it has recently been confirmed to us that ATI will produce another high end desktop solution within the next few months. This increase in performance will not come through the die shrunk product at this time, as ATI still feel there is more headroom in their current ASIC (which is surprising given that it is a 150nm core). It's Beyond3Ds belief that this will consist of another spin of R350 to increase the core speed beyond the 400MHz levels."This fight is FAR from over. But hell it's gonna coast a gazillion bucks to buy these cards!

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

i don't know why when ATI was #1 and there was no other card on the market, EVERYONE wasagainst nvidia, and when finally nvidia puts out a cards that is #1 you all start cracking on ATI...GOD DAM...y don't u ppl don't just pick a side, and stick with it....i'll bet u that when ati puts out the radeon 9900 u all people will start talking shit about nvidia....but i still think that ati is better....no matter how good the 5900 is...

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

WOOHOO!!! look at the FX5900 GO!! even without those awsome det50 drivers it administers a good ASS-WHOOPING to the 9800pro. Even though the performance drops quite a bit when the resolution goes up remember that: It aint running of its miracle drivers AND even though it drops like that remember even at its slowest its still 4 times faster than the 9800pro. Wait, hold on. The little voice of skepticism in my head is kicking in. It tells me to wonder about the credibility of that test. Now before i get sued i am just saying that my friend has a 9700pro and gets about 30fps in doom3 alpha. Now if the 9800 pro is a better card how can it only get 10fps? very strange. But nvidia fans rejoice for it is such an awesome card

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

rich why did you buy the 5800ultra??? Nvidia will no longer even support those cards anymore. That entire line will be replaced by the NV35. This is why they delayed the 5800Ultra for so long. And i have no idea what your talking about rich. You must be stupid or something. I just picked up a 9800pro two days ago. Easy as pie to install. Unreal2003. Unreal2. Mafia. Max Payne. Battle field1942. Black Hawk Down. Postal. Generals. All fly. Not a issue. You need mental help if you can't get yours running. And enjoy that extra pci slot gone now. lol. And the noise of a jet. You should have waited for the 5900. Bad purchase.And as for that link and Bench Marks at Techno. There bullshit. Why? Because ATI has JUST SHIPPED the 256ddr2 version of the card. A It was annoucned just today. LOL. And if you compare the two cards together by hardware and specs. There almost the same minus the 50-60mhz advantage the 5900Ultra has. So for the 9800pro256ddr2 card to run DOOM3 alpha at 10fps-15fps and the 5900Ultra running it at 40 and above. lmao. Something smells real bad. Mathematically it does not add up. Both cards are almost the same in band-width. 22.4 ATI. 27.2 nVIDIA. The Ultra bushing a few more. The ddr2 version of the 9800 closes that gap a bit. And AA+AF rely on band-width and memory. There not that much of a difference in that. Chk the specs. If you do you would know those tests are like the so-called specs for the NV40. All B.S. Do the math on the G.P.U calculations. Use your head......

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

"The texture filtering routines in previous GeForce FX driver revisions have been a source of controversy because NVIDIA's engineers cut some corners, sacrificing visual quality and technical correctness for performance. As a result, I'm unsure of how to interpret NVIDIA's claims about the Detonator FX drivers. They say these new drivers take a "motion-based approach" to eliminating common texture artifacts like sparkles. Thus, these algorithms are not just about "focusing on still images." The resulting algorithms are intended to produce a "best of both worlds" result for quality and performance.Now, I'm open to innovations in this arena if the end result is better looking graphics at higher frame rates. Technical correctness is not the end-all, be-all in my book. However, I'm a little skeptical about what NVIDIA is doing. The previous driver generations offered a relatively straightforward tradeoff between image quality and performance, and I'd like to see something more innovative. I will have to spend more quality time with these drivers before I know what to think of them."Until different credible review sites get to test this new sweet beast. We will not know until then. As for that 'bench mark' from techno. Good god how some people believe all. That test was fake. The numbers like Don't believe everything said don't add up. The NV35 will be the fastest kid on the block when it's released. But for how long and by how much will be the real answer. A increased clcok speed 9800pro with 256ddr2 memory is already in the works. And how the f**k ATI does those things on 0.15micron die size is beyond me. That feat alone is a miracle. Now to save up $500US to buy the NV35 or the 9900pro. LMAO. Or both. Damn.

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

go to Techreport.com they are a unbiased source. Neither go to ATI.COM on the news of the 9800pro256ddr2 version. Go to the same website or one that is unbiased."Where 256MB boards should make a difference is in high resolution FSAA rendering as texture space will not be so constrained, hence AGP texturing will not occur as much in many titles. There are a few titles as well, such as UT2003, that take high quantities of frame buffer RAM for very high quality textures, so potentially boards equipped with this quanity of RAM may be useful in these situations.ATI have sent Beyond3D a board and we shall be putting it through its paces to see if there are any genuine current benefits for boards equipped with this quantity of RAM. Unfortunately, though, due to the deadline and our busy schedule, we'll post it in a little whiles time.ATI did not take the opportunity to increase clock speeds on this particular product, however it has recently been confirmed to us that ATI will produce another high end desktop solution within the next few months. This increase in performance will not come through the die shrunk product at this time, as ATI still feel there is more headroom in their current ASIC (which is surprising given that it is a 150nm core). It's Beyond3Ds belief that this will consist of another spin of R350 to increase the core speed beyond the 400MHz levels."This graphic war is never gonna end and is gonna make us all broke..lmao.

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

this is for don't believebefore you go bashing someone, understand the facts, the e7205 chipset motherboards have issues with games locking up with any line of the ati cards. i have 2 buddies that work with me that had the same issues. and we are pc techs. now that would be pretty ironic, us being pc techs and not knowing how to install a card. now we all have the 5800 ultra and i will post back in a bit on what the benchmark 2001 se came out to be......turns out your a pretty ignorant person. keep your little pie hole shut, unless you know what the hell you are talking about.peace

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

It's beyond me i tell you. The 9800pro from Hecurles comes out of the crate with the tweak at 427mhz. How they do that is beyond me on that 0.15 die size. And that's the version with 128dd1.They overclocked the 9600pro to 567mhz on 0.13 die size. If ATI pushes the new R350 cores to 450mhz with the same basic flimsy cooling as the 9800pro, they sold themselves to Satan to do that. And word has it from Beyond3d they will push it to that speed. f**k. Amamzing. Now i want to see the 5900Ultra overclcoked! That would be sweet indeed! AS the 5800Ultra could not.

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

LOL....Why would you EVEN buy the e7205 motherboard??? Total crap. No wonder. It has nothing to do with the 9800pro. Get a decent MB. Then shut your pie hole. LMAO. And you actually bought a card that will be foresaken by Nvidia.(5800) They even said so. LOL. Now THAT is STUPID. Good purchase pal. LMAO. Watch how the 5900 sails on by and you will no longer hear anything of the 5800 failure.

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

"Looking at the charts, we can see some of the distinct differences between the R350 GPU and NVIDIA’s upcoming NV35 – it’s not looking too good for NVIDIA. The R350 has double the amount of pixel pipelines, 4 times the amount of Pixel Shader units, one more vertex engine and performs 6x Anti Aliasing whereas the NV35 caps out at 4x.""Even though it’s apparent that he extra frame-buffer memory can come in handy at times, we’re just not sure that the extra price over the 128MB version justifies the performance. Undoubtedly by the time games can truly benefit from such a larger frame buffer, there’ll be a much faster solution available either from NVIDIA or ATI.The question as to whether you should get this card or not depends on if you already own a standard 9800Pro – if you don’t, and you’re upgrading to a 9800Pro anyway, the extra 100 dollars are so might make it worth it if you plan on keeping it for a year or more; otherwise, just go for the 128MB.It’s quite obvious that ATI wanted to make sure they released this card before NVIDIA’s pending NV35 announcement at this year’s E3 which takes place this week.The jury is still out as to whether ATI can hold onto its performance lead in light of NVIDIA’s pending silicon – whatever the verdict, you can bet that GD will be there every step of the way to show you.We do have word that ATI is preparing to launch a new wave of cards based off of the R350 which will have much faster clock-rates for the core and memory – if that’s the case, than you may want to forgo this card altogether."Yup. It's gonna be a close race i think.

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

You know what? It really amazes me how many people write about graphics cards and have an opinion about who's best and such. The reality is that we the consumer all should benefit from the grudge match, prices should come down and actually...how much difference can you see visually between one card or the other? I have had both Nvidia's products and ATI's. Nvidia...TnT 2'sGforce256Gforce 2 64 mbATIRage Fury Max and a couple others I can't remember currently.I think they are both great card manufacturers.At this time I have a TI4600 and I am running in this particular computer a 9800 pro.What have I found out? That it's a hell of a lot of money to see a framerate get a little faster. There are pro's and cons to this card dillema as I see it. Personally...I'm still alittle bit pissed at Nvidia for destroying 3DFX which is why I started buying ATI products. 3DFX was a good company at the time. If they were still around,imagine how much lower prices would be.

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

less not for get y Nvidia withdraws.. it could be the new 3dmark patch..A test system with GeForceFX 5900 Ultra and the 44.03 drivers gets 5806 3DMarks with3DMark03 build 320.The new build 330 of 3DMark03 in which 44.03 drivers cannot identify 3DMark03 or the tests inthat build gets 4679 3DMarks – a 24.1% drop.ATi only have a 1.9% dropstupid nvidia is withdrawing because they suck and they cheat more then ATi =P LMAO

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

Its a shame about videologics Kyro chipset. It looked new age, fast and promising. I still own a Kyro 2, the Graphics Quality at 32bit seems a cut above the two leaders. The shame is they pulled out cos its all about big advertisement.Look at the USA, people even admit that they vote for presidents because 1. their parents did 2. Cos it looks better 3. heard about them first 4. came to visit their town.Both ATI and Nvidia rely almost solely because customers have chosen sides and ridgedly stick to it. I was a Kyro ridged, but now they have been kicked out, I can choose for myself the best.Nvidia's choice to cheat proves they are getting desparate. ATI figured out that its own choice of archiatecture may have been slower at low clock speeds, but NVidia's has an exponential limit. NVidia is therefore needing to change big time. They will lose ground.... Mark my words... (electronic engineer)

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

I own a computer store in Vancouver, B.C., Canada [url removed] (if you want to see prices and parts)i put together alot of computer and have put them through alot of tests... what is the best card is really what you are looking for...the fastest card is the FX 5900 card (not by a lot, but it's the fastest frame rate on average... 10 games and it will win in 8 of them). now the best graphics (cleanest edge, etc..) is the 9800pro it will look the best in all 10 tests.now the doom3 problem (9800pro 256mb) that you see is because the 3.4 drivers do not use the ram correctly if you install an older driver it works but only as good as an 9800pro 128mb... why has not ATI fixed this??? because the game is not out. but even in the end with driver corrections 9800pro on Doom 3 will not be faster than the FX 5900 it will just look better (if you run the DAWN demo on a FX 5900 then run it on a 9800pro you will see a difference... FX is faster but ATI is better lookingFX 5900 has won the crown back and ATI will take it back, then lose it.. win it... etc ;) this war is great...my computer... 2500 XP Barton (2200 GHZ) MSI K7N2 delta board 9500pro (bios flashed... 357/326)

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

Nvidia is a cheap ass company, all they do is take their older chipsets and overclock them, thus explains why ATI's Radeons are slower, yet they still own them. what is up with that, Nvidia is a cheating company. the 9800 pro owns all their FX cards, if the FX card was really dedicated to 3DFX then they wouldnt have made it so f**king shitty, 3DFX was the BEST

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

wow i smell fan boys. THE 9800 PRO is the 3rd best card right now in this order 9800XT 5950u 9800 PRO tadaaa if it suks so much why can i run halo at high settings 1024x960 AND GET 55FPS???????? all you nVIDIA lovers just complain because you regret buying the 5900 because the 9800 is better cheaper more reliable. this is chubakka he is a wookie now does this have anything to do with this? look at the cute monkey!!!!!111111111

FX 5900 Challenges 9800 Pro Then Withdraws

The 5900 owned the 9800 pro, what f u c king planet are u from u tool?BTW the new range also ownz the hell out of the ATI cards, the much cheaper 6800GT owns the x800 XT and the pro.Doom3 benchmarks just add insult to injury, plus the fact ATI's filtering cant be tunred off and looks like shit...ATI fanboys have very little brains and would do well to read up a little before opening their big mouths.lmao

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