Graphics War About to Erupt

ATI have just about had it with NVidia, or at least that is what their most recent move shows. Their upcoming chip, expected to be released in September, will essentially ask game developers to choose whether to support ATI or NVidia cards. ATI SmartShader rendering will use Pixel Shader 1.4, a new technology in Microsoft's DirectX 8.1 multimedia standard. NVidia supports Pixel Shader only through version 1.3.

In a recently released and highly controversial white paper, available on the ATI home page, it is claimed that the main difference is that Pixel Shader 1.4 lets graphics chips render up to six textures in a single pass instead of four. NVidia counters that the GeForce3 can render six textures, although it takes more than a single pass.

If a choice of board has to be made NVidia seems confident that its chipset will emerge victorious:
"We're pretty confident that developers are going to support our architecture. I say that because we've had a lot of overwhelming support and excitement," says Geoff Ballew, product manager for the GeForce3 at NVidia.

In reply ATI's technical marketing manager of desktop marketing David Nalasco says:
"We believe NVidia is attempting to spread misinformation about our SmartShader technology in an effort to protect their perceived technology leadership in 3D graphics,"

It is obvious that the gloves are off and full scale war is about to erupt. The usual victim, the consumer, may have to soon decide whether to own both cards in order to be able to play all available games.

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Graphics War About to Erupt

I know a duron cant beat a t-bird but dont slag them off too much because remember after all durons are athlons but with slower clock speeds and no L2 cache.They r meant 4 ppl on a budget and they were meant as the alternative to the celeron, but to anyone that says that they r only good 4 MS office, im using a duron 800 now and it plays my games fine.Also with proper cooling u can o/c the duron as high as a unclocked t-bird as the post further down clearly states,can u even read. The T-Bird is King. Roll on athlon 4!

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I hope thet ATi and Matrox will soonmake cards as fast as the GeForce 2Ultra or atleast as GeForce 3,nVidia's prices are too high fortheir cards.In 1998-99 you could buy the best card for 150-200$now prices are double.The makeing of a GeForce 3 costs not more than30$(or lower)and they sell it for 400$.I don't give a S.h.i.t forit's new HW efects when i'm abel to use them i'll probably have something two or three times faster.I have a GeForce too,but i think that nVidia are becomeing evenbigger suckers then 3Dfx were.They make the best cards but ******

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I have a ATI Radeon 32MB card and on my second computer i have a Geforce 2 Ultra and running Dues Ex and Quake 3, ATI kicks the living f**k out of geforce in 2048x1540 and 32bit color resolution its just sweet. Personally i think ATI wont get picked because Nvidia has a bigger company and they just make more products ATI on the other hand makes better products but it takes them longer. But the best cards are ATI and 3D Labs

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You idiots! GeForce3 is not DX9 compatible, but R2 will be!Simple and logic explanation: GeForce3 have been already released, duh! DX9 is not, Duh!, DX8.1 is NOT, duh again!!! Radeon 1 f**ks all geforced (except gf3) in visual quality. The picture you see here is an example of the TrueFrom tecnology which looks amazing. The gf3 is all about some big words like 'nFinite effects' and so on.So, nv freaks get this. Radeon are better than geforces. They are slower because the have better visual quality. nv took a radeon, cut down the features, hardware dvd decoding, video in and so on... and here you got a geforce.And another thing, play a game with the geforce2, now play it with the v3 or v5, who's got the better visual quality, who??? two words: Voo Doo.Geforce is tons of shit.Geforce3 is an expensive ton of shit.Conclusion: nVidia is full of shit.Just a loaded company which spend most of it's cash on buying the competition at the plave of making good graphics cards. PERIOD.

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do you even know what is meant with support?wouldnt that be a nice world? every firm would make his products faultless(which isnt possible because the most problems are discovered by the everyday marathon use) and we wouldnt need support...and now we think of a normal human who has a problem with his graphic card... what should he do if there occurs a problem not directly related to the card? and dont forget we talk about computers... a bug can pop out from nothingness...just think of windows..

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My first real 3D card was a VooDoo 3 3000. Running in Glide, UT loaded faster and ran faster then when I "upgraded" to my ATI Radeon. the VooDoo 3 had.. 16?mb of onboard memory, and the Radeon has 32.Glide is an awesome API, there are absolutely NO frame "stuttering" whereas Direct3D on the VooDoo and the newer Radeon still stutteres in the beginning of most games.Conclusions:1. Glide kicks ASS2. D3D is getting better3. D3D will soon kick Glide's ass, only because 3dfx died.If 3dfx hadnt died, Glide would be the renderer of the future, as it was when it was first introduced.

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It doesnt matter if you have a Duron or a Tbird. As long as its 1ghz + it kicks azz. I got a tbird 1.33 with 768pc133 and a Radeon LE. the card is decent for the price. But sumtimes it just pisses me off. ye ye the 32bits good but id rather have 20+ fps then 32bit. Right now id rather have a geforce2 then any other card cause its 1/2 as cheap as 3 and it rocks. I think What will matter is which card has the best price to proformance ratio cause who the hells gonna pay 100$ extra for 10fpps more.

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This is GREAT no Nvidia is going to hell.. YAHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! what is it now two company not working for them.. next is going to be the people of the old 3dfx the 90% one that went to a new company.... THIS IS SOOOOOOOO GREAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE NVIDIA DIE.... U MOTHER F**KING HOLE THEY S**K SO MUCH THEY HAVE TO SUE 3DFX.... AND [url removed] VIDEO CARD STILL KICK NVIDIA ASS AND THE GOVERNMET USE IT 3-6TIMES BETTER THEN NIVIDIA GAY CRAP I AM NEVER GOING TO GET THERE SHIT IT SUCKS THEY HAVE TO SUE SOME ONE TO DO THINS LOSERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR... =+)

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Let's see here [url removed] [url removed] and [url removed] OOOOOO YAAAAAAAAA NVIDIA IS GOING TO HELL SO... ONCE THEY ARE ABOUT TO DIE I BET 3DPOWER IS GOING TO SUE THEM.. JUST LIKE WHAT NVIDIA DID TO 3DFX.. NOTE: 90% OF 3DFX WORK WENT TO 3DPOWER =+)...... CAN'T WAIT OTHER CHEAP GOOD CARD ON THE MARKET FOR ME TO BUY :)... THIS ISSSSSS GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Idiots, all idiots, all you people who would choose a Radeon 2 over an NVIDIA card. Haven't you learned from the Radeon 1. It was gay, good hardware you know, but it never put out its full potential because of crappy drivers. And whoever said that I would buy a card just because of its support is just an ass and an idiot and deserves to have his sack plugged into a wall for 3 months. cack. I'm smarter than that and I go by experience, that is why I have chosen NVIDIA over ATI. ATI just deserts you after you buy you card but NVIDIA always improves upon even the oldest of cards. Even so, even if NVIDIA didn't do it, I would still buy a Geforce based card because they are so much better, they have higher clock rates and kick ass. I never said that the damn Geforce 3 was compatible with DX freakin' 9. CACK! DX 9 is due out 1st Quarter '02. Idiot. Quit puttin' words in my mouth. If NVIDIA has good drivers and is always improving on them that means that they understand their hardware well and know when they are needed and have moved on from worrying about the actual hardware. DETONATOR 4 should be coming out and then you'll see which card is better. LONG LIVE NVIDIA!

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you guys sure as hell don't have a clue what you're talking about. First of all, most of you are way of topic. Second, none of you have decent grammar or language skills, and third, well, most of your comments are just f**king retarded. ATI should burn in hell for trying to make us choose between them. There should never have to be that sort of choice. Then again, Nvidia should stop being so stupid and use the pixel shader 1.4 Microsoft doesn't upgrade their API so some dumb shit in developement can keep using their old versions. But still, ATI can't even make a decent card anyways, so they'll go down for this. They'll be a pathetic site even when they die What I don't understand is that these companies stick the specs of their cards all over the net for everyone to read, but yet still their competetors make weaker cards and sell them at higher prices! It's f**king nuts!So f**k ATI, they will die. I used to be a hardcore 3Dfx fan, and I still wish they were here today, but we all have to move on, just like you dumb shit ATI fans will have to do when they go under.

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people ... People!the 'Language' is definitely different. Most Consoles use RISC/MISP Processors (dunno about xbox). AND PCs still stick using x86 processors.There's the BIGGG Difference. Don't equal them by clock speed. But By technology behind them. A RISC processor is much much more powerful than any x86 today.

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Who the hell is talkin' about Consoles? So what if Consoles have more "advanced" processors. They still can't do shit. They are just barely being used for internet acess and barely any real OS's have popped up and there is nothing official. Can you upgrade your damn console to keep up with the times? Can you do anything other than play games and maybe "browse" the net? No so shut your damn mouth about your gay consoles. PCs can do anything and are fully upgradeable, now who is more advanced and powerful eh? bitch! Sorry to add to this stupid off topic about consoles. No more, this topic is dead. No back to the graphics war...

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What the hell is everyone talkin about. The Consoles have no chance of steppin up to a computer. there are 5 main reasons. 1, Computers are upgradable. Consoles are not and will never be. sure your only dishing out 300 on ps2 but with controlers and all that s*** you are up to 500 with a set thing. Computers can be set to any way. You cant overclock your ps2 or dc but you can with a comp. 2, consoles have crap ass graphics compared to comps. A ps2 is close right now but it just came out. Since geforce 3 is out consoles stand no chance. 3, You cant have a lan party or such with consoles. XBox will have this option, but its not out yet. Online just isint enough. 4, Mouse and Keyboard. How the h*** can you play a fps on a controller. The joystick doesnt cut it. With the mouse and keyboard it is much easier. Sure DC has this option, but DC doesnt have any good fps so it doesnt matter. 5, Last but not least, the Internet play kicks ass compared to consoles. With hundreds of thousands of users playing on comps there are few on PS2s and DCs.Sure the consoles side of the story sux. You all can say faster loading times, more games and easier to use but Comps are just sooooo much better.WELL IM AUDI HER

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you can shove all the nvidia cards up your ass and get a good old 3dfx card to whip nvidia ass!!! nvidia is gay, they just make a lot of shit and make you speend $1000 every month so you can get 5 extra fps, if i had a choice of a geforce 3 or a voodoo 1, i would pick the voodoo 1 because it can whip nvidia ass! and if you can't get a 3dfx card for some gay homosexual reason, go with ati

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In my opinion this move by ATI will end up like the Glide drivers of Voodoo. Many argued that the glide drivers were superior. However, OpenGL and Direct 3D have prevailed. NVIDIA is here to stay and always seems to be one step ahead of ATI.

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I love the comment in the article from the ATI guy. He is talking about Nvdias "perceived" advantage over ATI. Man is he right. People are just buying up Gefoce cards because they have heard of them at this point. But if you can afford to buy both and compare, you will see ATIs Radeon OWNS all over a silly Geforce XX.On a side note, am I the only one to notice that the video overlay sliders STILL dont work on GEforce cards, even with the newest Detonator drivers?? Yet ATIs cards make ALL video look whup ass.(Divx, Dvd, Smr, you name it.)Something to consider is how c**ky 3dfx used to be, look what happened to them! So you have a GEforce. You and a zillion other guys. I will seek and use the graphics card that goes that extra mile to look better, (RADEON) not just jump on the generic Nvidia bandwagon. People are dumb enough to keep AOL in business too! That sure as hell dont mean its the best.GO ATI RADEON! More textures per pass is a good thing, and the fact that Radeons support DirectX 8 better than any other card doesnt hurt either.Thats OK guys, you can thank me for savin ya later :)

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My hope is that the new ATI card will be compatible with Pixel Shader 1.3 and if developers want to use 1.4 for the new ATI card as a further enhancement, fine. If the ATI card is not compatible with Pixel Shader 1.3 in DirectX 8.1, I think that is VERY foolish on their part. With the TruForm, Smartshader and HyperZ technology, the new card may give NVidia a run for it's money! Thoughts?

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You know, it won't make much of a difference how far ATI goes, they have let Nvidia get too far ahead. They haven't put out as many products as Nvidia has in the past few months. Come september, OOHH! ATI will be up to DX 8.1 compliant! BIG DEAL! Come 1st Quarter '02 Nvidia's next line of Graphics Cards wil come out and will be up to DX 9. It doesn't make a difference for us consumers. We will still get what we want at a fairly decent price. It is an ever progressing technology. ATI and Nvidia are both great, both technologies are very similar and are capable of almost the same thing. Either way, I am rooting for NVIDIA because they have better support for everything and seem to be ahead any which way you look at it. ATI just hasn't put out anything in such a long time. ATI Radeon II 256 Meg better be good otherwise its over for them.

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Man I hate the graphics card scene these days. I remember when all you needed was just a voodoo card to keep ahead of the market, oh well. Personally I hope ATI makes a card that makes games look as good as the origonal Radeon did. I just hope they make the damn card faster instead of underclocking it to make games suck in frame rate as the origonal Radeon did.

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ahhh! How many times do I have to tell people this.....the PC will NOT die....EVER! Consoles need PC's, nearly every game is created using a PC. And don't start the argument about console games being better than PC games, ofcourse they look better, but not nessasarly play better (take the PS2 for example, good hardware, shite to develope for!)Game developers for consoles know exactly what they are developing for (ie X-Box - 733Mhz PIII, nVidia graphics etc) so they can push the hardware to the limit. PC game developers on the other hand, have to create games that will run on the 'average' system, they can't just design games for high level machines. (if a game was created to run only on a 1.4Ghz Athlon, 512Mb, Geforce3, it would kick console ass in terms of looking good!).

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My thoughts:- Face it 3DFX are dead.- ATI and NVidia are both good.- People using consoles at work ?- Consoles simplicity rule. Jump on the bed, press power button, play.-I have Geforce 2mx, was cheap, works well, and I want a GF3 on my next pc.The End.

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I would kill for a Geforce III card right about now (i'm still stuck with a voodoo 4 4500 card right now). But I think I will wait until the new radeon comes out, it may even be alot better than a Geforce III card, or nvidia may come out with better versions of Geforce III. Personally, since the Geforce III IS a first-generation directx 8 card, I think I will wait until more options are available to decide on what I want.

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The RADEON II is only up to DX 8.1. The next Nvidia card will blow it away come 1st Quarter 2002 with its compatibility with DX9. Hands down, NVIDIA is better than ATI. Heck, they will probably buy the company and trash it just for being such a peice of crap. Jk, both cards are good, like I said before it is an ever progessing technology but Nvidia seems to be doing better anyways. PC will always be better than consoles. Consoles are for 1 purpose only, PCs can do anything and are fully upgradeable.

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Mmmm....what I want is a graphics card that can keep long enough until 3 or 4 years. Not a card that can only stand for 1 or 2 years because only the framerate is bad for the game in this early years.(2001-2002 ^v^)

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without 3dfx we are all fu*ked? what the hell are you on? 3dfx suck, yeah the voodoo2 was good, but the rest of the cards suck. Glide was a crap API, directX is getting very good, and OpenGL is made my the kings of 3D - Silicon Graphics.So without 3dfx, we're happy!

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