Intel Pays to Stop AMD

It has surfaced that a white paper published by Aberdeen Group, trashing AMD for the misleading use of the (P)erformance (R)ating, was financed by Intel. A further error in the design of the paper was that at no point did any Aberdeen Group researcher call AMD in order to ask their opinion.
The paper pounded AMD's decision to use PR as "taking a step down a slippery slope of bad science." It went on to claim that the PR was the "Pinocchio Factor". Using the example of the XP 2000+, which runs at 1.667GHz, Aberdeen state that it claims to be equivalent to Intel's Pentium 4 2GHz Willamette core. According to the report however, that is no longer the case since the Northwood core has brought about performance enhancements.

Aberdeen also hit AMD over benchmarking methods claiming that AMD tactics "strike at the very nature of benchmark fairness".

Intel have long claimed a complete lack of interest in what their rivals do. Recent moves however, suggest that they are listening. Intel's frustration over AMD's recent PR campaign has been expressed in various ways. First there is the obvious acceptance of the PR rating since Intel prices its Pentium 4 processors accordingly, then there was the recent release of a PDF document criticizing AMD's PR choice. Finally, this white paper seems to show that Intell are getting desperate.
There are many ways Intel could fight AMD in a more straight-forward fashion, unfortunately this report seems more like a blunder than a well-thought out plan.

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Intel Pays to Stop AMD

====> There are many ways Intel could fight AMD in a more straight-forward fashion, unfortunately this report seems more like a blunder than a well-thought out plan.If the report is true, then why is it a blunder? Perhaps intel is trying to tell us something? If your rival was selling a product that was tailored to look better than it is, would you not contract someone to find the proof you need?

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

First of all intel processors suck.AMD Processors are overclockable and work very well with windows xp i have a MSI 6380 mainboard and a AMD 1700+ (1.45GHZ) CPU and it works great i have been working with computers sence i was 12 years old.well intel sucked then and it still sucks now there CPU's cost more then amd there not overclockable.if they are overclocked they crash.i will stick with amd and the HELL WITH INTEL!!!

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

Intel is just jelious that AMD's processors are faster, I have tested my 1.3Ghz Athlon T-bird againts my friends Pentium 4 1.7Ghz and mine runs 3d programs (such as games) just as good if not better that his P4, a great benchmarking program [url removed] the CPU multi-media benchmark i got with 1.3T-bird, a P4 1.6 gets6893 it/s MMX 6300 it/s int SSE28605 it/s 3DNow!7700 it/s flt SSE2(those ratings are basicly the same thing, intel doesnt have 3DNow or MMX)

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

your a f**king moron iX who just overpayed 3x more for your gay ass intel... f**kign sisys you, they put a lot of f**king bullshit into your head , and you f**kign n00b dont know whats going on

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

Hell with Intel? Why? Cuz they tried to be M$? What do you think will happen if Intel is out of the picture? Do you think AMD will keep their low price? Look at nVidia, sure they got the best in the business, but look at their prices. If ATI is not there, right after 3dfx hit the dirt, you think you can afford a video card without an arm and a leg? Sure M$ is the only one and we can survive it, but can I make a copy of a cpu just by putting a blank in my cdrw and by pressing the burn buttom? The more competition the better. This is a no brainer and there should be more companies competing, not going out of business.

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

I am glad that they finalyy raised bones about the PR, that was a real low way to do business, it fools a part of the consumers who think they are getting faster than what it really is. Intel does not suck, computers geeks think that way cause they own an AMD cause there cheap. The PR that AMD pulled off reminds me of Cyrix, them dirty bastards!!! AMD and Intel both perform well, people are just taking it too seriously.Justin

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

It has been confirmed that AMD processors perform better with DirectX applications, for all you people out there that dont play games the P4 is better because it does things like uncompress mp3's faster, and the the rating that AMD gave there xp line say 1800+ it never said 1800Mhz they where telling you that it performed as well as a Pentium 1800Mhz, i have a P4- 1.6Ghz comp and a Athlon T-bird 1.3 Ghz both with Gforce 2 TIGPU's and the Athlon out performs the P4 in DirectX applications... so you Intel lovers can buy your more expensive processors, while i buy a cheaper one and overclock it ti make it faster than yours.

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

Froboy : "It has been confirmed that AMD processors perform better with DirectX applications"An item in the report is that AMD is fixing the benchmark tests much like ATI did with the radeon 8500 and quake3. They were putting special instructions in the product so that it would perform well on very specific tasks, tasks commonly done by benchmarking software (ATI did this in their drivers, AMD is probably doing this in their instruction set.)Froboy : "the rating that AMD gave there xp line say 1800+ it never said 1800Mhz they where telling you that it performed as well as a Pentium 1800Mhz"The reason everyone is up in arms about the perfomance ratings is that they do not directly compare with anything. There is no standard to compare a 1800+ Athlon XP chip with a 1800Mhz processor (you should also note that AMD never directly compares their performace ratings to P4 chips, they just state that the chip can perform as well as "a 1800Mhz chip".) Intel was right in bringing this concern to the consumer, especially now that the P4 has a new core with greater abilities than the previous one. Now AMD's performance ratings go out the door because they were based on tests against older chips. This is what AMD's error is and this is how they mislead consumers. You should also note that AMD does not base their newer ratings on actual tests(2000+ and up), but rather theoretical limits of "a 2000Mhz processor" (actually I think they used a 1500Mhz as their normalization point, I can't remember right now). They use math formulas to base their performance rating, which cannot take into accout all of the factors that could influence a processor's performance.

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

Now, for my comments on the article. I find it very biased and heavily based on personal opinion. It seems to be more of an uneducated commentary and has little information to offer. You're better off reading the article yourself and making your own conclusions. Let me begin the dissection:"A further error in the design of the paper was that at no point did any Aberdeen Group researcher call AMD in order to ask their opinion."This is moot. If I suspect your company of fraud, I'm not going to ask you about it since you would most likely lie."First there is the obvious acceptance of the PR rating since Intel prices its Pentium 4 processors accordingly"Look at this from a marketing point of view. If I know that your company is misleading consumers about your processor's performance, I'm going to keep my prices in line with your products that are marketed to run at the same performance level as mine. That way, when I expose your error, your chips now look like they are extremely overpriced compared to my products."Finally, this white paper seems to show that Intell are getting desperate."Desperate? There is no evidence of desperation anywhere in the paper. In fact, I see it as concern for consumers. Intel seeks to inform consumers on how AMD rates their own products to give consumers a better knowledge base to work from when deciding on what products to buy."There are many ways Intel could fight AMD in a more straight-forward fashion, unfortunately this report seems more like a blunder than a well-thought out plan. "This is just bashing and the author knows it. There is no indication that this is a blunder. On the contrary, it has caused a lot of stirring in message boards across the internet. Intel's follow up "AMD Rating Seminars" that they are hosting seems to suggest that they did indeed think this plan out thoroughly.

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

I use an Athlon 1Ghz, and I dont really care if it goes faster or slower to the rival Pentium. I bought it because it was cheaper. I have used Intel before, and they work well, but are over priced. If AMD had no competition from Intel, I think they would raise the prices. So long live Intel and AMD.

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

Well, here's something interesting that I found today. Intel's new 2.4Ghz chip with the new core now leads the processor pack in peformance. Here is a good comparison of just over 20 chips. Some of them are not available to the public yet, but it gives you a good indication of the performance of the upcoming Athlon XP 2400+ and the P4 2.6Ghz (They overclock the XP 2100+ and the P4 2.4Ghz to get the numbers to give you a good indication, although it will probably not be the actual performance). Ahh, I can't wait for the new P4 2.6 with the 533 MHz FSB .... mmmm.... FBS...[url removed]

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

Intels compatibility is key. Where as AMDs combustability is a given. AMDs fry just about instantaneously upon overheating where as Intels P4 doesnt need so much as a reboot. Cheaper=Disposable in this case Im afraid.

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

I'm a computer techo, and I've never seen a better processor than Intel, As far as I'm concerned AMD's are heaps of shit, They lock-up and AMD so-call "AMD is great for games." half the games don't run on AMD, and only support Intel.Intel is far better than AMD, and Intel is only $300 Dollars dearer.Go Intel!.

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

Intel gets Owed....how dodgy is this though, a Tech that dont know how to use an AMD. Shit my 10 yr old can build em without a problem. EVERY game works and faster. i guess thats why your a Lamar then huh :D

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

I’m shocked at the lack of facts in all your posts.1) The PR rating is not saying an xp is as fast as any P4 at 1800 MHz it is saying it is as fast as a STD Athlon at 1800 MHz the XP was a new core with a big boost in real world speed! This is FACT!2) All you need to do a bit of research and you will see it was not AMD who started the numbers game it was Intel why do you think a P3 1 gig was faster than the first P4's? This is because it process less instructions per cycle.They made the P4 like this as it is more scaleable.The Athlon XP has 9 pipes and the P4 only has 6 pipes. Fact.I use both Intel and AMD I am typing this on a 2 gig P4 and I have 6 Athlon’s here and anything I can do on my P4's I can do on my Athlon’s there is no incompatibility that I have ever seen with the Athlon XP's or P4'sLamar you might want to go back to school and learn how to build PC's.

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

Some people are gonna swear up and down that the more you pay, the more you get. They see a box that says "2.2 Ghz" marked at 350.00 and say "well it MUST be better than a 1.8 Ghz XP!". Then there are those of us who want performace at a more reasonable price because mommy and daddy aren't paying for our parts, because we have REAL jobs. We research the living SHIT out of our parts before we buy them. we look at what they are, and can be capable of, and from that decide how much money we are willing to spend. I see a 1.8 ghz XP and see the facts. I'm going to get equal, if not BETTER performace out of this processor, and im not gonna have to pay an extra 150.00 for it. I mean after all, when mom and dad aren't paying the car notes, insurance, cell phone bills, rent, and giving us money to blow each week (can't actually say they paid for any of that in my case), we tend to have to look intelligently at what we buy instead of buying whatever looks prettier, eh?

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

Is anyone paying attention to what I said earlier? Guys, AMDs CEASE TO FUNCTION PERMANENTLY if so much as a floppy cable gets stuck in the fan. P4s dont even need a reboot upon overheating,they just slow themselves down. Isnt your hard earned money wasted on a cpu that is so flimsy and cheap it wont last a hot summer??

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

I really enjoy reading and laughing at some of the messages that are posted everytime there is a CPU Warso here is my 2 cents...Intel for me because (#1) I can afford it. (#2) "Bus Speed". If you are a gamer then you must know that increasing your system bus speed gives you the chance to clock your graphics card to its limits. Intel is bringing out the 850e chipset, with 533MHZ FSB, I see a stable 547Mhz with cosair sticks, and the P4 2.6 around 3GHz 20 min after i get it home.. My GeForce4 is gonna feel some heat come May 6, and AMD might feel some too..Custom PC

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

About FSB INTELS DO NOT RUN AT 400MHZ OR 533MHZ There all 100Mhz AMD si atleast 133Mhz What Intel dose to fool you guys is they put 4 realy long piplines in and ran each one at 100Mhz FSB and called it 400Mhz FSB.If that was true then if I was going down a 4 lane hyway with a speed limit of 60MPH I could drive 240MPHCome on Intel give me a break. and the P-4 pipeline is so long an Athlon with finis 6 clocksikles in the P-4's 1 so in reality you could say in that case the Athlon is runing 133Mhz X 6 whitch would give it a 798Mhz FSBBecuse that makes about as much sence as what Intel is trying to say

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

Richard, You are right on the fact that it quads at 100MHz but that equals out to 400 (4x100=400). The P4s buffering scheme allows for a sustained 400MHz data transfer."SYSTEM BUS is NOT LONG PIPES". Your confused, so I will tell you what it is:SYSTEM BUS connects the processor with your system memory, managing the transfer of data instructions between the two components, and in Intels case the P4 I/O is 3.2GHz of data per second.In reality you dont drive 240MPH down a 4 lane hyway. In reality the Athlon does not run at 798MHz FSB, and if it did, I would hope there is a Fire Department close..lolCustomPC

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

Lets be honest, for all of us enginners, Intel is a crock of crap. They have been lazily sitting on thier tosh's and allowed themselves to get behind.The scam with the FSB is a joke, it is funny that INTEL has worked on its own merits by advertisements and thats it.P4's show some improvements for future tech, but this technology is obsolete because it's not main stream. I will laugh also if the ATI graphics also breakthrough a new idea and trash on the GEFORCE cards.It's funny really, as they can make computers faster but they won't. Got to exploit the market. I have developed an exclusive programable real-time board and have seen vast ways to improve the core design alone.The computers can run more on a duel async and sync design and use its registers more tightly. Reducing the size and increasing the tolerance of the Hardware ain't the only option.This whole thing is a scam. I like PC's, but why didn't they use moterola chips in the PC configs, it would raise performance considerably.Enough babbling. I just ain't surprised. Money grabbers lose..Down with INTEL..lol...

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

ive had and AMD for around 2 years and havent had a single problem since. many of you have said that you pay more for an AMD than you pay for a pentium but myne seemed to be cheaper than pentiums and i got the top of the range when i bought it so for me all that crap about paying more is absolutely false ive been and AMD fan for a long time and always will be So stick it Intel Amd is better and always will be.

Intel Pays to Stop AMD

This is nothing more than a trolling board, but let me say this:AMD is the better bang for your buck. You get killer performance for less money. That's all there is to it. Intel isn't shit however -- just not suited for the hardcore geek. If you're going to be gaming, you want an AMD. If you're just doing business apps, Intel is the way to go.AMDs do not "burn up" or "lock up". That's total bullshit. Any computer that isn't properly cooled/powered will potentially have problems. I had my heatsink not mounted flush once on accident, yet my AMD Athlon still didn't burn up, even though it got VERY VERY hot and kept rebooting my computer.Intel is falling behing AMD at this point...just read the news :).

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