Intel Removes the Gloves

Following the controversial Aberdeen report, Intel have really turned on the heat on AMD. Intel are now offering their customers a "training class" which aims to demonstrate how flawed AMD's naming policy is.
Last week Intel begun accepting applications to join the set of online seminars, their introductory note reads We've developed a training class to help you understand the facts behind AMD Athlon* processor naming methodology. Attend the training through our Internet broadcast, where you can choose from several one-hour sessions over the next several weeks. We'll address your questions during the session, via e-mail.
Your class attendance will entitle you to receive a summary document, and eligibility to win one of four Pentium 4 processor-based systems.

The seminars focus on a comparison between the Athlon XP at 1.67GHz and the Pentium 4 2.2GHz. Intel use two main sets of benchmarks. One set from SPEC, an industry-standard ranking, and another set testing features such as content creation, gaming and video rendering. A spokesman for AMD, when asked about the SPEC benchmark results said "It doesn't relate a lot to either consumer or business use, unless you're in the scientific community."
Further criticism of Intel's "course" may arise from their choice of systems. The choice of systems used is a Pentium 4 Northwood with Rambus memory, while the AMD system uses DDR DRAM, which offers less bandwidth for memory-intensive applications such as video rendering, but is much cheaper. Most Intel systems however, do not carry the rambus option while in benchmark tests, when both systems use DDR, AMD's 1.67GHz often outperforms Intel's 2.2 GHz P4.

The point remains that even if everything Intel mentions in its courses is true, they have chosen the wrong way of bringing it to our attention. With the Aberdeen report and now these courses, Intel faces the danger of being viewed as a spoiled child afraid of losing attention rather than the serious processor manufacturer that it is.

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Intel Removes the Gloves

The have a better processor, but alas it is not cheap. That's fine for me though, I only upgrade once a year.Here's a link I posted in another comment section. It is for a recent benchmarking test in which intel's new chips came out on top. See for yourself.[url removed]

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Intel's just trying to cover their ass and get the dumbasses like you to buy there procs. if only intel would try to create a more efficent core mabye they wouldn't have to try to overclock every cpu such as there lackluster pIII at 1.13ghz which in many cases didn;t even work.

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I would like Intel to show consumers what the outcome is when they compare CPU's of similiar or equal speed. The point is not that AMD is trying to compete with slower CPU's against Intels faster CPU's; but rather that they 'DO' compete with Intels faster CPU's.Could you imagine how much Intel would get blown out of the water if they compared based on clock speed? So what if Intel has a 2.2 ghz clock... that 1.67 XP is giving it a run for the money. That is just sad.

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intel are going on and on about how their northwood processor is going to beat amds xp processor..?well of coarse it will because they are aiming at only xp!they brought out new technology to beat amd's old technology.whats with that a??. amd are only just about to realese their new processor based on 0.13 (thourbread)the only reason they are doing this is so they can lower the temp output ? not so they can beat their compettors...all i can say about that is that intel will have to be carefull what they say otherwise they will be eating there own words when amd actually build a processor to beat them ??.by the way tech specs are~:INTEL NOTRTHWOOD HAS 0.13 PROCESS & FULL 512kb 2nd LEVEL CACHE.........AMD XP HAS 0.18 PROCESS & 256kb 2nd LEVEL CACHE (THIS IS THE ONE THEY ARE COMPEATING WITH ?)spec's are not matched at all..soon to come out is the amd (thourghbread):~ 0.13 PROCESS & 256kb 2nd level cache..(to combat heat problems only?)and the one to beat intel will be the (barton):~0.13 PROCESS WITH 512kb CACHE & A 166MHZ FSB...PERSONLEY I THINK INTEL HAVE BROUGHT OUT THE BIG GUNS TO SOON TO COMPETE AMD'S OLD TECHNOLOGY. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN AMD BRING ON THE (BARTON) SEIRES THE REAL BATTLE WILL BEGIN??

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AS FOR RDRAM IT USES 4 RISEING & 4 FALLING DATA STREAMS (4X THE DATA)..AND DDR MEMORY ONLY USES 2 RISEING & 2 FALLING (2X THE DATA)..THIS IS WHY PENTIUM'S MEMORY HAS A BETTER SCORE ON SI-SOFT BECAUSE THE PROCESSOR IT'S SELF IS USING FOUR DATA STREAMS AS OPPOSED TO AMD'S TWO DATA STREAMS THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY RDRAM IS DOING SO WELL NOTHING TO DO WITH IT'S BETTER THAN DDR....?THEY JUST FEED US BULLSHIT AND THINK WE DONT KNOW WHAT WE ARE ON ABOUT !!!!(POT CALLING KETTLE BLACK DONT U THINK)

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QuantiSpeed is what keeps AMD going better than the pentiums. I'd rather have a AMD 2100+ than a P4 2.2ghz. The GHz speed is all that matter to most people but what everyone should look for is the best effieciency which is found with AMDs because they have the QuantiSpeed Architecture which allows AMD's to do 9 things per cycle rather than the Intel P4 doing only 6. Intel is looking at attacking the AMD XP, but what will end up happening AMD is just going to create a better processor that Intel is going to take forever to match. AMD will remain the ruler!

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I would not listen to one word, or argument that Intel spouts out. If I want to know about cpu differences, I simply goto [url removed] and check out what they have to say. The guys at tomshardware do not choose sides, they just test everything.Intel Inside, IDIOT OUTSIDE!

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if u gonna buy P4, u gotta get it with RDRAM... its expensive, but its the faster of all the CPU/motherboard combinations. If u cant / dont wanna pay so much, then the AMD systems are better (using SDRAM.) Pentiums also run at lower temps, which can make or break systems as well, so forking at extra dosh has its advantages there as well.

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Companies are run with budget in mind, so companies will go for the cheaper AMDs that just so happen run just as efficient as the P4s. This action has obviously been made to convince companies that are thinking of moving to AMD that Pentium systems are better. This move by intel though... not a smart move politically.Management should go and rethink their strategies methinks.

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i think intel needs to get their heads out of there collective asses and see that they have been whipped by a company that cares more about giving people what is needed, true speed, not hype!

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I'm a computer techo, and I've never seen a better processor than Intel, As far as I'm concerned AMD's are heaps of shit, They lock-up and AMD so-call "AMD is great for games." half the games don't run on AMD, and only support Intel.Intel is far better than AMD, and Intel is only $300 Dollars dearer.Go Intel!.

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I have no clue why people say AMD sucks... I currently own an AMD xp 1800+ and it beats off intel's cpu like if it is a bug or something. The reason intel is reacting by comparing with AMD's old technology is because intel now SUCKS and they are becoming jealous. Recently Electronic arts has bought a BUNCH of AMD's computers. Many companies now focus on LOW COST but EFFICIENT Computers and INTEL will never win the battle over AMD because of their high cost of their CPUS. Also... look at this closely.. Pentium 4 2.4 Ghz now has 512 cache... AMD for over 5 years has NOT changed their cache to OVER 256. Intel is just playing cheap and adding cache to IMPROVE their CPU performance while AMD focuses on Improving the CHIP itself to allow much more efficient use of memory. Now if you just read this.. doesn't it make you think Intel is playing cheap and rising the price just a that stupid little bit of cache while AMD is actually working hard to make the BEST quality CPU out there and not focusing on the cache?? AMD is probably one of the companies that made the GREATEST come back in history and will continue to lead Intel. AMDS are VERY stable right now... whoever complains that it crashes has obvious never tried AMD's True power. If it DOES crash why is it OFFICAL APPROVED AS SERVER COMPUTERS?? and why would BIG companies buy from AMD instead of INTEL nowadays?? AMD has outsold INTEL processors ever since the "Athlons" came out. Everyone KNOWS that to GAIN something you must WORK hard to get it.. AMD has been always behind Intel for QUITE some time and making a come back is because they NEVER give up and they will always use their TIME and EFFORT as a TEAM to Make the Fastest CPUs in the world. AMD will be always more successful than INTEL because of their low cost and HIGH PERFORMANCE/Quality Cpus.

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Thunderstorm is correct. Intel is only beating amd because of the BUS speed. AMD is using 266 mhz and Intel is using 400 mhz. If advanced micro devices will increase their system bus speed, the performance will be even higher than the Intel processors no doubt.

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ok....so what would happen if amd brought out a cpu which uses rdram and has a 400mhz fsb? even if they adapt an athlon xp to use it the outcome would be the same, it would kick intels ASS. everyones right, intel are competing against old technology, and i just want to see them competing against amd when they have "new" technology.

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intel are trying to give AMD a bar rap because the athlon xp is a better processor, the intel chip can indeed outperform the athlon when equiped with rambus ram and the 2.2Ghz processor, if the athlon had a 2.2Ghz core with rambus ram then guess who would win.besides im waiting for the sledge/claw hammer processor since i feel games are going to go 64bit but i also want 32bit compatability, which i cant get from intel its 32bit OR 64bit not both, intel have bad marketing strategues, P4 has only SIMD2 instructions whcich has held it back quite a bit, if it had SIMD and SIMD2 then it may be a different war.

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i see little difference when it comes down to actual performance. if there was a massive difference then we wouldnt see such an even handed battle between the two. if it was like evolution v creation where 1 was clearly rite then it wud be easy to spot because the huge majority wud share the same point of view. AMD v Intel = Score draw.

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it's like 1600cc (1.667gb) vs. 2200cc (2.2gb) engines! AMD with a smaller engine eats a bigger engine like intel's! but if both are 2.2gb, intel eats amd's dust! AMD STILL WINS (both performance and price)!!!

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AMD is simply the better of the two. Why? Their design is just more effective and efficient. The engineers at AMD are smarter than the ones at Intel. And, as for those who think more programs and games are compatible with Intel, think again. Some programs and games coming out for PC are AMD Optimized and NVidia is integrating their video chips on AMD motherboards.

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AMDs biggest disadvantage has been the power consumption of their Athlon CPUs. The Athlon XP may have dropped the heat a little but not enough. Until Thoroughbred makes its long awaited appearance, this will remain the case. This is the only reason AMD havent stepped up to business environments. It may be cheaper up front but in the long run Intel wins.

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It has been said by others but Intel are competing with slower and cheaper proccesors and still losing.If you were to take processors of the same price and compare them who wins ?Thats the bottom line for business and personal users know. The speed with which people upgrade does not give processors time to wear out.As for the power usage and heat costs, business doesn't really care that increase cost is nothing compared to other fixed costs like heating and lighting. In fact it makes no impact as the heat kicked out by the computers is compensated for by lower costs in heating required. It may increase air conditioning costs but it is a drop in the ocean. An average company spends more on paper clips.

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Who here thinks that Lamar is retarded?AMD makes far better MicroProcessors then Intel could even imagine to produce, the only reason that intel is selling more to business is because of intel's past reputation.

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Got an Athlon TB 1.4 running silently .. chiptemp is just under 50° ...that's all I need...why pay more cash for less power... I don't like Intel's attitude....Don't like it at all...people at their stand at CeBIT refused to give us some extra info on the new Xeon's .. because we're students....I'll show them in a year or so...I'll show them....

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I'll probably stand by Intel for server processors. I haven't had the chance to test run an Athlon MP yet. But in the past experience with the Pentium III and II Xeons, they were excellant. Ugh. Pentium 4s bite. But for the most part; for games I would have to go AMD because retarded Intel stop making Pentium IIIs. Pentium III in a way is a lot more efficient than Pentium 4s.

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AMD cook up a temp far higher than intel, they may indeed have more power and are cheaper but we'll see who's grinning a few years down the line, i own both types, p4 1.5 and athlon 1gig, the athlon fan spins at 6000 rpm to cool, the intel spins at 3500 rpm yet the intel runs colder? the durons at work have had fans replaced twice this year? what next? The chip? ;-)

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I build pc's all day and I think that INTEL make far better quality CPU'S than amd. I hate amd they are always overheating and locking up amd suck and INTEL have and will always be at the top.But if you are poor and you can't afford a good quality chip go for an amd.But if you have money to burn go for an INTEL because it will still be working in five years time unlike amd's.

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What are these STUPID people talking about?? AMD even though it's temperature is HIGHER.. their CPU can Withstand a MAX temperature of 90 degrees celsius.. I don't know about Intels.. but just think about it... HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU GET ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE TO 90 degrees? Intel probably have a LOWER temperature before the chip dies out.AMD WILL ALWAYS WIN, Intel SUCKS. Their Quality has been DECREASED over the years.

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Intel's Cpu ( pentium 3-4 ) have an average MAX temperature before the CPU dies at around 55 degrees celsius.. which proves that AMD at a MAX of 90 degrees celsius is made for Heavy Duty temperature compare to Cheap Intel's CPU.

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And with the revolutionary Anti-Burn System on-board a VIA KT333 motherboard, there is no such thing as a burning Athlon. Only time will tell.Secretprayer, I think the Thermaltake Volcano 6Cu fan is the best / quiet AMD fan. Admittedly, it doesnt stand up to Intel in this area.

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Who said intel cant handle temp? i said that it runs at a better temp? i've over clocked a pIII 700 at 784mhz with standard cooling running up a temp of over 65% at times without a problem?Pilsbury? where did you get the max die temp of 50???Josh? I may agree that good quatity, Hi end fans ARE available? but why sarch when any old fan should do?

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Well, i personaly use Intel since 386 and it still working 24h/24h. i own a 486, then pentium150, PIII-1ghz. Never had any problem with any, and still working 24h/24h. But i have some friend using AMD, and have some problem, but now i ear from amd user that is really reliable and stable. I suppose that both are really good, but if you can affort for intel, must choose intel, if you have less money...well, im not sure its so true cause i compared yesterday an athlonXP 1900+ (1.6ghz) (284$ CAD) with a P4-1.6ghz (240$ CAD) both RETAIL, so i notice that AMD is not so cheap after all.

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