Money to Decide Console Wars

As the Console Wars heat-up, Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony have realized that winning comes at a price. In recent moves, all three major console manufacturers, announced large investment initiatives in order to get a stronger foothold in the emerging market.

Microsoft, at E3, announced a US$ 2 billion investment in the online future of the XBox, while more recently they announced that they won't chrgae developers a fee if they decide to make their online games available to gamers for free. This move follows a similar decision announced by Nintendo a month ago.

Sony's PS2 moves include a price reduction for PS2 games from US$49 to 39 and a US investment of US$ 250 million in order to market games. A Sony spokesman claimed that this demonstrated the company's ongoing commitment to the PS2 and should be viewed as...
an expression of our determination to promote our consoles and software, and to support games made by other companies, as hard as we did last year.

Nintendo's recent decision to reduce the US price of the GameCube has given its sales a, much needed, push. Further moves by the Japanese Console veterans, include developer support.

Nintendo expect to have sold 50 million units by 2005, Sony have shipped 30 million PS2's since its launch in March 2000 while Microsoft expect to have sold 4 million XBox's by the end of this month.

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Money to Decide Console Wars

Will the Real p00_p00 plz stand up, plz stand upfirst ppl are doin a poor impersentation of me and nxt some faggot is tryin 2 bag out the GCN... how sad. Just use ur own name u c**t! I dont care bout usin my trade mark tag.... argue with me if u want... swear ar me... insult me...i dont care cause ill always come up on top!GCN is not a kiddy console and so the fake p00_p00 can suck my d**k!And i admit DOA3 has very nice graphics but i dont think u seen Res Evil (mind u it aint a kiddy game fool) or Rouge Squadron (look at the hoth levesl f**ker) or Metroid Prime (which still hasnt been released and has sick ass graphics... wait till its polished looser) and of course Dinosour Planet by ur 1 and truly Rare Ware.And Ps2 dosnt have the best games or gameplay... 4 long and many have agreed when Metroid, Mario and Zelda -> the Game Giants come out.... GCN will be sellin like hotcakes f**ker.Also name 1 PC game which is better than Res Evil?

Money to Decide Console Wars

Hmm, wouldn't xbox be the easiest to develop for, since all games are coded in c++ which is the choice code for any programmer. I don't know about gamecube, but ps2 is a bitch to develop for requiring you to learn a new complicated coding language.As for exclusives mentioned for xbox, morrowind, unreal etc etc will be out on pc and will really make their money on that market. Oh yeah, somebody mentioned Wreckless which is coming to ps2.And what kind of person would I be if I didn't take the occassional swipe at nintendo. Its not a secret that gamecube is directed towards small children. From experience in working in a video game store, all the small children that came in to the store wanted a gamecube - its as if the other consoles didn't exist. Its not necessarily a bad thing since children and their parents are a good chunk of the market. Another note, I don't like it when people use Resident Evil as an example of the graphical superiority of gamecube or consoles in general. Doesn't the game use pre-rendered backrounds? It doesn't take alot of processing power to paste up an image. I think that game would easily look the same on all the consoles out there. And although I haven't played it, if its story line is anything like its past incarnations then its not anything to drool over.

Money to Decide Console Wars

Oh, sorry to rain on nintendo's party, but I heard xbox actually overtook gamecube in sales over in Japan *gasp* last week. Quite the interesting turn of events. Its nice to see though that ps2's sales far exceed anything else.

Money to Decide Console Wars

poo_poo the last time I called something I didn't like "gay" I was about 10 years old.Which, assuming your not mentally retarded, probably indicates your age.1. Even though the game cube does appeal to people of all ages it is mainly directed at kids, I'll let you in on a secret Einstein, that's you *shock horror*. No wonder you love it so much.2. Just because you post heaps of shit to the forum sledging xbx doesn't mean that "everyone" is. If you read other people’s comments instead of just your own you would probably notice that.3. Using pedophilia as a sledge/joke is not funny, it’s actually pretty sick. You'll probably realize that when you grow up though, so I won't burn u for it.

Money to Decide Console Wars

Its amazing how many people wrote in one night and how many idiots replied to mr. thanks p00_p00, i think youre probably the most civilised person here since you state your belives with firm sel opinion and believable facts. but s/he is the only person deserving praise. this time i won't point any fingers but i will clear up some shit that a few people left behind.Alright, Halo is coming to the PC, but thats about the only "exclusive" title on the XBOX that is. you want exclusives heres some: Deadly Skies, Nightcaster, DOA3, Project Gotham, Project Ego, Bloodwake, Amped, Jet Set Radio Future, Shall i continue? Yes? okay: Tekki, Gun Valkyrie, Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee, New legends, The Thing, Unreal Champ, Yager, Buffy etc, etc, etc...

Money to Decide Console Wars

Controllers can only be determined by the user. Personally i believe all controllers are good in their own way. the GC is colourful, fun to look at and isn't hard to use. but when you try to press all buttons at once (if you ever need to) it tends to be a problem. the PS2 is very easy to use. it doesn't really excel in anything but it doesn't lack anything. the xbox is super comfortable and i haven't found a problem with it yet apart from the hard to reach Black and White buttons which is rarely used in games reserved for things such as camera control.

Money to Decide Console Wars

Sloose, explain to me why i can't compare the history of psx to the XBOX? bare in mind that Sony is also a money hungry corporation (hey ain't them all?) that has its sticky nose in every page of the Electronic Expo Brochure.

Money to Decide Console Wars

Max Payne on the PS2 anyone? this is where i mean that the FPS drops to a crawl. this is where the slowdown occurs. try the game on the PC or even the xbox and you'll soon see who has the least horsepower.i would just like to take this space to say, i have played GT 3 and Metal Gear Solid 2 and while their graphics is really good when compared to the PSX and the 64 compare them to Metal Gear Solid X and Project Gotham and you'll see which is better. do you have two TVs at home, try turning them both on for me and take the two consoles out for a spin.when i said the learning curve, i meant for the developement teams. they had to break five million droplets of sweat before they counld achieve the same results you see with the their games now. the XBOX on the other hand could achieve the results without running a marathon.

Money to Decide Console Wars

Max Payne on the PS2 anyone? this is where i mean that the FPS drops to a crawl. this is where the slowdown occurs. try the game on the PC or even the xbox and you'll soon see who has the least horsepower.i would just like to take this space to say, i have played GT 3 and Metal Gear Solid 2 and while their graphics is really good when compared to the PSX and the 64 compare them to Metal Gear Solid X and Project Gotham and you'll see which is better. do you have two TVs at home, try turning them both on for me and take the two consoles out for a spin.when i said the learning curve, i meant for the developement teams. they had to break five million droplets of sweat before they counld achieve the same results you see with the their games now. the XBOX on the other hand could achieve the results without running a marathon. as with how you want the controller to stay the way it is for the PS3, i guess that would save Sony some valuable design money, and it just shows your skeptical way of thinking.

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WHAT ABOUT GHOST RECON? UNREAL FOR X-BOX...THEIR VERSION. MORRORWIND. DOOM3. THE LIST GOES ON. AND YES HALO. AND HALF THE GAMES YOU MENTIONED ARE AVERAGE AT BEST....BLOODWAKE, MUNCH'S ODDYSEE(WANNA BE MARIO).....YADA, YADA, YADA....

Money to Decide Console Wars

for my final comeback to another disgraceful gamer, i'll list for you the developers under my knowledge that is supporting the xbox:Capcom (Tekki-Mech shooter), EA (need i type more?), Sega (once again need i write more?), Digital Extremes (Unreal Championship), Sierra (Swat), Lucasarts (Obi-Wan. Jedi Starfighter), Rage (Gun Metal) Bungie (are you serious you need to know?), 2015 (MOH: Allied Assualt), Konami (Deadly Skies), Westwood Studios (Pirates), Shiny (The Matrix-Exclusive), 3d Realms (Duke Nukem Forever), Tecmp (DOA series), Climax (Moto GP-not to be confused with the PS2 game), Namco (Soul Calibur 2), Big Blue Box (Project Ego-Massive RPG), Bethesda Softworks (Elder Scrolls 3), Valve Software is making CS: Condition Zero, oh and just in case you didn't know, in house Microsoft is developing for the XBOX to provide you with some Simulation Goodness.these are just some of XBOX's arsenal. many of these will come out on other systems but the fact of the matter is that pretty much all development teams are supporting the XBOX (with the exception of Square). i agree that you choose your systems according to your gaming tastes, and with so much variety and quality on the XBOX, its your call.

Money to Decide Console Wars

Munch is nothing like Mario. PC ports can only be good if it is excecuted well.PC is for FPShooters and RTS. that is all. online play is now possible for everything and will be available to everyone in due time. PC only excels in FPS and RTS, because of their control system. gameplay wise they suck for everything else even though they have an infinite amount of Horsepower (and money requirement).the GC is for Platformer and Adventure. Both the PC and the GC (mainly Nintendo) excels at one area but suck at the others, now that's not a bad thing, its just narrowing down their audiences. sure the GC is gonna have Turok (appearing on every platform near you) and Perfect Dark 2 and 3 and 4 etc but come on, you're buying the console just for one game done not by a FPS pro? i believe that both PC and GC are kick arse platforms, but you really need to rethink what kind of games you prefer.the PS2 and XBOX on the other hand has everything in their arsenal. they may not have exclusive mascots to shove into their platformers but hey, Malice and Munch and Jak and Daxter are still fun right? RIGHT!!? anyways, both systems will deliver all types of games except the XBOX will do it with better specs. if youre someone who can't wait a year to buy 100 games then get the PS2 now so you can enjoy 100 games in a day. if you can wait get a XBOX and buy one game at a time. right now, the PS2 may still be keeping up (or are they?) in terms of gaming specs (fps does drop though, in Max Payne) but in no more than a year, you should find yourselves waiting with bored anticipation for PS3 (if you've decided that Sony is your thing) to settle your need for larger environment, AI, Frame Rate, eye candy etc.

Money to Decide Console Wars

Jesus Christ im gettin slammed 4 ways to Sunday! Even Sloose has turned against the GCN... u PS2 &*^$ scum... jkAnyhows im here 2 defend Ninendo. It is tru it aims 2 target kids, but not only kids as well as adults. Like Res Evil is a PSX port but it is redon much better than the PC ports which are given 2 X Box. Due to limited power, the X Box cannot access all the potential of some PC ports (IE Max Payne which evry1 likes 2 discuss)Its no secret that PS2 is THE inferior machine in specs but ppl dont buy consoles for specs, but rather 4 the games. Nintendo is the undisuputed king in Exlcuisives... since i wouldnt call PC ported games exclsuives to X Box. GCN will make A HELL OF A Lot of Money when Metroid, Mario and Zelda come out.... as i admitt the game lineup wasnt vey strong 4 GCN (strong but not very strong) but neither was the Ps2's lineup. i remember the good ol days when the PS2 was just released (like 50 million years a go :) ) and they had bugger all- with the expcetion of Tekken Tag. But since there wasnt much competition and it was the superior hardware at the time, it built huge sales.Also i did hear X box sales exceeding GCN sales in Japan 4 once.... but still overall sales in Japan 4 X box are lower than that of GCN.Also does any1 remmebr playin Zelda on 64.... dont tell me that was kiddy just because there was no blood.... or Mario 64. They are meant for all ages, bnot just kids. Also X box targets its market almost exclusively to children but GCN targets all... as a good platformer can b enjoyed by kids and and adults alikePS its beter 2 have mre ppl on this forum (preferbly Nintendo fanboys) since it teaches me a thing or 2 in this console war.... since MG or other sites like IGN dont show figures for sales etc

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Also what us a Nintendo/X box/Ps2 fanboy?It would b one who totally dislikes all consoles to the exclusion of one. They cherish this console even if it is goin up in smoke.Would ppl call me a GCN fanboy?Some yes..... but let me present my caseA GCN Fanboy loves the GCN only.... i admitt i beleive it is ther best console on the market. But however i do beleive that the PS2 is a good console and have respect 4 it since it has a large list of games... with some exclusives (however r beggining 2 be ported to X box, GCN and PC).I do sledge the X Box down because i just dont c it bein a gr8 console. I cant say its tottaly shit, but i do say it is crap and so.... but it does have some good pts such as Horsepower and X Box live (i aint interested in online play at all, even on PC's) but i rekon it has the best online strat to date from all consoles besides Sega.I know there arnt many fanboys on either side.... since many acknowledge that the X box and GCN are good conoles or Ps2 and GCN are good consoles, but i aint really a fanboy (well mayb 2 a small degree) but i just dont have much respect for Billy Bob cause he f**ks every1.... thats all i say in defence.And 4 all who say GCN is at least a good console but (Xbox/Ps2) are better... goood on emall that sledge GCN can f**k off

Money to Decide Console Wars

Funny how we all come in here with a favorite console, and leave believing nothing different. Nobody's changing their preferred console by reading rants or pedophilia or whatnot. But it sure is fun to read.You're right, Hitman, Munch is nothing like Mario. I enjoyed Mario, but didn't enjoy Munch. And yes, people WILL buy a console just for one or two games. My friend bought a PS1 just for Final Fantasy 7 and never regretted it. After I got Mario64, Goldeneye, and the two Zeldas, I was quite happy with my N64, no matter how poorly people said it did. And that's what will probably cause a lot of console purchases... One or two games. Like I said way down at the bottom of this page, specs and controllers will make little difference in the end, just exclusivity. "Games to Decide Console Wars"

Money to Decide Console Wars

Yeap Hawk... i bought the N64 just for the 2 Zeldas and GOldeneye... and almost anythin that RARE had put out....it is tru that these "Game Giants" will be reasons y some ppl buy consoles... as i stated b4AnyhowIMPORTANT ANNOUNCMENTIMPORTANCT ANNOUNCMENTHeres some interestin figures in hardware as well as an argument that "Nintendo IS NOT a Kiddy console"PLZ READ from this link[url removed] is not biased and just presents plain facts w/o sledgin any other console (well not badly)IMPORTANT NOTICE

Money to Decide Console Wars

"Also X box targets its market almost exclusively to children..."You've lost it buddy. Totally. Book yourself in for some therapy or something. Geez.Could you give even one example of something that Bill Gates has fuct? Give it a go. Dare ya...

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haha poo poo. Yes I agree with the fact that gc isn't exclusively a kiddy console. Comments that brush the gc off as a kiddy console are as brainless and groundless as those that brush xbx off because it is "just a PC, not a console".The arguments by the kiddy in the nintendofire.com article are rather flawed however.Have a read of these. Written 6 months ago but still relevant.XBX[url removed]

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i just want to add that xbox has made a recovery in Japan and is even outselling the Gc by 2500 units. go to pczone.co.uk and tkae a look for yourself. Another point i may add is that xbox has a lot of 3rd party developers on its side, whereby Gc has a severe lack off 3rd party developers. theres about 200-300 games coming out on the xbox within a year. They may not be good games but some of them might be the next final fantasy or half-life.Nintendo has also c**ked up their gamecube firstly by sticking an ATI card in it and secondly the disks are so small(1.5gb uncompressed) that when the disks have reached their limit a second disk will be needed increasing the cost. say you had a game that was not commpressed(1.5gb)when it reaches its limit it will require a second 1.5gb disk when possibly only a few 100meg is needed.

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phoeniz. I've gotta disagree with the disk statement. Not that many games are over 1.5gig... well not at the moment anyways, Im sure they will be in the furture. My point is that the disks dont cost that much.Its only going to cost them an extra 50c or $1 or something to press an extra disk. I'm sure it wont affect them very much.

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Phoeniz, the Gamecube's 1.5GB disc limit isn't really a problem. A DVD (especially ones that small) doesn't even cost 50 cents for $1.... more like so many pennies, and the game info burnt on for a few pennies more.

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Hello Again. Time for me to trash this little white box again!!When you think about it, the GCN is full of exclusives but think about it again, what does it have? Supe Smash Bros. 2 (Melee), Rogue Squadran 2 (Leader), Perfect Dark 2, and another bunch of twos and ofcourse the infamous Resident Evil S E R I E S. the reason the GCN has so much exclusives is because Nintendo has been around for so long, guess when. Late 1800s! They used to make cards and board games. Anyways, as you can see, they're mostly sequels. the XBOX is new, i know, i know, pretty soon the Flight Sims are gonna hop on for a ride on the big fat box but come on, tell me a few XBOX exclusives that are sequels from other systems. Apart from DOA3 (phew, i knew i left out something!)

Money to Decide Console Wars

Now for those who is a follower of Nintendo and havn't heard of this (and you call yourself a Nintendo fan...) Rare is going multiplatform!!! i meant to break the news to ya a few weeks ago but i thought i'd just like to see if anyone's gonna mention it...no one did!!! well, i'd be happy to play Conker's and Perve in the Dark on my X and also the other good shit they made and is going to make. Hope they get the 007 liscence back because EA is losing their mind.look, the GCN is still gonna have plenty of good shit without Rare's exclusives. Personally, Nintendo started me out on videogaming and i would just like to say thankyou to them. If you already own a GC then stick with it because its gonna kick ass. oh and just don't forget to get a XBOX in the meantime as well since you do need a change from all the rainbow colours sometimes (not that that's a bad thing).

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Hawk, are you with a console? i remembered you from previous "User Comments" and i think you were with the PS2, and early this time, you helped the XBOX. now you seem to be with the GC. oh well, guess they're all good eh?

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i would just like to mention that notice how each headline in Megagames in the console section is about a calm no side thing. but then we come in and trash the place, argueing not about the topic, only about which side you're on. shame on you. (Why are you all staring at me? STOP IT, STOP IT!!!)

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I just went to the site PooPooUDic mentioned:XBX[url removed] must confess, during their diagnoses of the two consoles, i was still with them when they were talking about clock speeds but when they said that that didn't matter? HUH? Anyways i was back on when they said that the XBOX does come out on top overall performance wise. Hurray! But i know, the console is only as good as the games. But you gotta admit, there are already plenty of A-Grade Games on the XBOX to compete with the other consoles and plenty to come. Gaming will never have a moment of silence, thats for sure. sob...

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Oh yeah, PS2 fans, still havn't listed me those good games yet. i'm waiting. What is really good on the PS2 that won't come out on other platforms? See my point now? Scared? oh, Project Gotham beats GT3 anyday, gameplay, innovation (Kudos-verry fun indeed), graphics, see the reflection now?

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Sorry 2 shatter ur dreams...,. but I doubt Rare will go multi platform since 50% is owned by Nintendo. YEAP HALF OF IT IS NINTENDO OWNED!!!!I heard bout the rumour ages ago but did a bit of researchin and since Rare is a public company, decsions are made by shareholders and of course Nintendo will never give up Rare (thasts 50%) and some other ppl in Rare (prob most of em) will wanna keep workin with Nintendo..... however all of these is unconfirmmed rumours so be careful Gods Hiotman in what u take into fact.... since we look at solid evidence of Nin ownin half or Rare... compared 2 outragous allegations that Rare may be goin 2 MultiplatformBut never sayin it cant b possible (if a d**k in Nintendo may decide 2 allow rare 2 go multi... which would b the dumbest thing eva 4 Nintendo 2 do)PSI heard that rumour ages a go and posted it in some other forum... think the Xbox controller or N committed 2 games forum.... Sloose had picked up on the rumour.... but i rekon its trash but not 100% impossibleWell hope they deont cause Rare + Nintendo helped make N64 no.1 in the US!!!!

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I doubt that Rare is 50% owned by Nintendo. Maybe 49%, maybe 51%. Rarely is a large company owned 50/50.Sure Nintendo might lose some money because of lost GC sales if Rare went multiplatform... but surely this loss would be easly offset by the SHITLOADS of games they would sell on the other systems.

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it is.... go 2 any offical nintendo site and look at comp profilesItll have HAL labs, Retro and RARE.Itll say 50%Also Nintendo around in the late 1880's???? u sure... i heard they were makin card games and board games and shit in the 1950s onwards... oh well u learn somethin new each day

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Surely sony could afford to cut their price in half. They system is years older than the other systems, with heaps older parts. They have already reached sales that dwarf all the compeditors combined.For fuks sake even MS who are known to be a money hungry company are taking a loss on each console sold.Maybe Sony are trying to prolonge the illusion that the ps2 is in the same console generation as the gc and xbx by keeping it in the same price range?

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Anonymousat 3:30 19/5/2002is mePSI ll prob be on less now cause i have skool wrx 2 do and shit.... but overall im imppressed by dese forums cause they have taught me much bout consoles.Also to poopooudicI comend u on the site u sent us... but not on ya namealso when did i say X box was exclusive to kids???If i did then it was a typin mistake... but i dont remeber typin it at all....Well ill be checkin out dese forums probly once a week, not every day and so hope u guys dont flood it heaps with all these new comments and make me waste ages to read.Well gtg now boys.... peacePSill stop sledgine... for nowBUAHAHAHHHAHAHAH

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Hmm, games for the ps2, lets see: Dark Cloud 2, Ratchet and Clank, Silent Hill series (yes its better than resident evil), Wipout Fusion, Final Fantasy 'series', Wild Arms 3, Red Faction 2, Armored Core series, Xenosaga, Grand Theft Auto Vice, Jax and Daxter, Devil May Cry 2, Grand Turismo series (has a hell of alot more depth than Project Gotham), Star Ocean 3, Run Like Hell, Auto Modellista, Sly Cooper and the Thievius Raccoonus, the new Tomb Raider, GunGrave, Shinobi, Twisted Metal Series, Contra: Shattered Soldier, Fear Effect Inferno, Tekken 4, Red Dead Revolver, Kingdom Hearts, The Getaway, Alter Echo, Zone of the Enders 2, Stuntman, their own Matrix game and just about any japanese rpg that I didn't mention. How's that God's Hitman?

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Nintendo owns 49% of Rare to be exact and Rare probably wants to go multiplatform cause Rare is just like anyone else and at the end of the day they would like to have a big fat paycheck.God's Hitman stop comparing Max Payne for PS2 and xbox. Of course a game designed originally for a pc/directx will look better on xbox. PC ports aren't gonna make xbox win anything.

Money to Decide Console Wars

God's Hitman; here's your list of great PS2 exclusives, virtua fighter 4, Grand theft Auto series, the new Tomb Raider series, Devil May Cry series, FFX1, FFX2, The Getaway (will be great), Grand Turismo 3,4..., Half Life, Jak and Daxtor, Silent Hill 3, The Sims, Street Fighter EX3, Tekken 4, Twisted Metal Black, WRC, and of course more. SOME of these are on pc but who wants to sit at a desk and play games rather than on a couch? Not me.

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