Nintendo Commited to Games

Nintendo's newly appointed president, Satoru Iwata, has confirmed the company's commitment to focus on making better games. According to Iwata Nintendo have no plans of creating an all-round entertainment system but instead want to focus on what they know best, games.

According to Nintendo 4.5 million GameCube units have already been shipped, since the console's launch in September of 2002. Iwata's projections suggest that 50 million units will have been sold by March 2005. Considering the widespread appeal of the GameCube Nintendo plans to focus on the only thing the console actually does, play games. Most of the profits made from systems such as the GC, originate from the sale of software, it is therefore obvious why Nintendo will focus on making them more appealing.

We can't be optimistic about the game market. said Iwata No matter what great product you come up with, people get bored. I feel like a chef cooking for a king who's full. We're reaching the limits of how far we can appeal to consumers by boosting the machine's performance or providing more compelling graphics and sound. he went on For the past few years we've been looking for new ways to surprise people, new ways for them to have fun.

Since Nintendo are reaffirming their commitment to the creation of innovative games, it seems that they will have to attempt to do so by unconventional means. Considering that the GC, on paper at least, seems to be the most limited, hardware wise, of the next generation consoles, it is interesting to see how Nintendo will go about making innovative games.

One possibility is that the new presidents' comments come as a direct result of the recent hardware price war which forced Nintendo to lower the price of the GameCube from US$199 to US$149. This possibility that this trend will carry on to the software segment of the industry has rattled Nintendo.
We have a sense of crisis, that price cuts in software could destroy the game industry, said Iwata The effort to produce machines with better technology has reached its limit. If things continue, they may lead to the decline of the entire game industry."

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all i gotta say...call 311 and ask for a wahhhh bulancenintendo is saying that the entire game industry will decline...hm..HELLO? sorry you f**ked up and came out with a cheap system and are limited with your own hardware, sorry if xbox POTENTIALLY has more innovation possibilites, sorry if a STRONG competitor forces you to sell games cheaper to your customers{which i dont see so bad for us, since you been gouging us with high prices that end up at $10.00 a game}Nintendo is trying to scare people into buying its games, i sadly say, thats a pitiful way to go...If you just wanna make games{IE like SEGA} then do so, dont cry about it and say all the industry will die..cuz it wont, pc alone would carry, and xbox and ps3 will surely use REAL technology and make REAL games, for Kids, Adults and all inbetween, not just kid games~Souless Dragon

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Get a life,idiot.The kiddy image is almost only a shell.The real gamers find that through somewhat kiddy-looking games,there is depth that no kid could reach...just think Zelda....unless you're just dumb and continue saying sh*t like "X-box rul3z" and "Gaycube sux0r".Get a life and before you say anything,please TRY the games.I've had more fun with Smash Bros. Melee than i'll ever have with Munch's Odysee , Amped or Project Gotham Racing.My opinion : Xbox only has :Racing games,Sports games,Fighting Games,First person shooters.Except for the last one,these are all the types of games i hate.I prefer RPGs and Strategy games.And no,Azurik is NOT an RPG.-Shadow

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To me, gamecube and xbox are on opposite ends of the spectrum. Nintendo is trying to make high quality games while Microsoft is trying to meld pc gaming and console gaming into one ball. Xbox is putting so much effort into making a console online and nobody's stopped to tell them that it just might not work out the way they hope. For me, multiplayer on a console in its best and purest form will be 4(or more) friends sitting around, eating pizza, drinking beer, and playing a game or two.

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Damn I gotta agree with you sloose. There is nothing better than getting some snack and > in the same room with friends and kicking their asses then to rub it in, no text or mics needed. That is the true essence of console gaming. Now for larger scale shit that is why we shell out dough for a $2 to 4 K bad-ass machine to kick ass globally.Now to stick with the nintendo issue, it seems that when they released the 64 (selling out on the promised DD) they already had an unconventional view on console gaming, refusing to switch to other media (stuck with cart.) and now with the GC and those smaller capacity disks (1 point something gig.) they had other intentions. It seems that it bit them in the ass, these days consumers want an all-in-one power beast (as is their right), but to grant people that you have to take a hit financially and nin. can't do that. They thought simplicity was key, but not so today. Nintendo is going to have to decide whether to focus on games or push a more powerful GC to compete in the next leg of the console races, it will surely decide whether Nintendo prospers.

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I also agree with sloose, and that's one of the things Nintendo has gotten right... mulit-play. Years ago my favaorite party game was Goldeneye on N64. I hope games like that keep coming. It seems to be the kind Nintendo's trying to churn out now.Obscurus- Many people think the smaller disc weakens Nintendo, but they can sell mulitiple discs per game cheaply (A DVD really only costs so many cents). I think Nintendo has already chosen between the power/game thing. And it turned out to games (no surprise). I trust Nintendo can make the winner top-of-the-line games like they have been since 1985, but they're gonna need other companies to do the same for the GC in order to keep the lead they have going on the Xbox.

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I myself am a sony fan cause they have the all around best selection of games, but I think SOME nintendo games are great too. If nintendo cares about focusing on games then why not drop out of the console market and just make games like sega? I love it that i can play sega games now without have a sega system. The perfect thing now would be to have all nintendo's games on PS2 and in the future PS3!

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I dont care whether the xbox has better graphics, neither do i care that i can play dvd's on it. if i want to play dvd's i have my computer or i'll buy a dvd player. think for yourself: what is a console supposed to be? not an all-in-one pc stuffed into a little box, that's all the xbox is. games don't need good graphics or whatsoever, as long as the gameplay is ok. look at all those tennis or golf games for the pc, xbox and playstation... there are so many, and all of them were so boring. then nintendo published mario golf/tennis and it was the best sports game i ever played. look at super smash bros, is there any fighting game as fun as ths to play with yer friends??? good games need no good graphics.... although it makes the game a little better, graphics dont make the game....

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Its is not the hardware of the consol that makes a game great becuse i have GC and i regreat buying it becuse it has very few good games. What makes a consol great is its games. Games are not good becuse of the graphics they are good if they make you feel like that person. A great exampile is Max Payne (first on computer) its graphics are horiable but its game play won it over 100 awards.

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Although I agree that Nintendo's Gamecube has the worst potential in video game graphics, sound, storage, etc., I would also say that Nintendo has, time and time again, surprised the gaming industry with award winning games, despite the medium they created the game on. Look at the old Nintendo vs. the Sega Master System. Although Sega's system had more potential in terms of system power, Nintendo came out first hands down because of the games. Then, when Sega tried to combat Nintendo's Game Boy with the Game Gear and Atari with its Lynx, Nintendo again left them in the dust. Up to now, Nintendo has proven that they can produce "gamer's" games regardless of system power or medium on which the game is written. I think this Christmas will have Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo showing their gaming fangs. I for one believe that Nintendo will surprise everyone.

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Sorry just need to do this but, kingkong get something right, you said "A great exampile is Max Payne (first on computer) its graphics are horiable but its game play won it over 100 awards" urm max payne was a brilliant looking game, you must have a crap pc mate hehe sorry but running this Direct X game in full everything thing really did own, and the bullet time is hard to master, i mean seeing a bullet ly though the air ain slow mostion from a load of action and seeing it ecsplode as it hit the wall tiles, now thats class.......ig you get the right compu sorted get this game running in high everything you will see the wonderful graphics that i see of this game :))

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Shadowat 18:38 7/5/2002Get a life,idiot.The kiddy image is almost only a shell.The real gamers find that through somewhat kiddy-looking games,there is depth that no kid could reach...just think Zelda....unless you're just dumb and continue saying sh*t like "X-box rul3z" and "Gaycube sux0r".Get a life and before you say anything,please TRY the games.I've had more fun with Smash Bros. Melee than i'll ever have with Munch's Odysee , Amped or Project Gotham Racing.My opinion : Xbox only has :Racing games,Sports games,Fighting Games,First person shooters.Except for the last one,these are all the types of games i hate.I prefer RPGs and Strategy games.And no,Azurik is NOT an RPG.-ShadowLol...your one funny kid..i never said xbox roxors and Gcube suxors, sure there are LOTS of games that peak my intrest in the GC, but not ENOUGH to go out and buy em, oh..and for your info...IDIOT, Nintendo THEMSELVES said they target kids, YES i KNOW GC isnt kid only games, BECAUSE, 3RD!! Part developers are makeing the GAMES, not NINTENDO, so the point still stands, oh..and one last note...over 200 games by xmas..300 in the makeing, and NEW styles of rpg to be created, INNOVATIDLY on xbox ONLY..im sure you will switch over to xbox as wellP.S. I also own a ps2 so dont say im a fan boy..i practically own all systems that are worthy of being owned ;)~SoulessDragon

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LISTEN people,Nintendo makes great games period. want proof. go play duck hunt again. that game is so friggin simple. Its fun. Even my 40 year old uncle who is a pc fanatic said it was fun, that is saying alot. Just go get a gamecube, play the games. graphics get old on whatever system. ALL ABOUT GAMEPLAYgo Nintendo

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I think nintendo make the best game out there. I have an xbox because of all that extra feature it has. I dont even use it. waste of money. Also halo graphic, you dont notice then anymore. My bro has a ps2 and that system damn. boring as hell. I give props to sony's marketing for selling it so well. I think people standard of gameplay has decreased a lot over the years. All people wanna see is just graphics and no gameplay.

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The only reason Nintendo is still in the home console business. Is because to just to satisfy the true gamers who can tell the differencebetween what is a good game and a piece of S@#t that a group of programmers did overnight.

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I'm tired of the "X-box is only a PC, not a true console" bullshit.The fact is any system that is taken out of a stuffy computer room and into the loungeroom,and off a tiny monitor, shitty little speakers and desk and onto a TV and a decent amp, becomes a console. Regardless of its hardware.

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Me and my buddy are having the constant arguement all the time. What is better to own; GC or XBox. The reason I didn't put PS2 in is because I personally think the PS2 sux0rs. Think of all the time that Nintendo owned in history. The NES, The N64, it could happen with the GC as well. But my buddy has already bought an XBox, because he was so confident with the outcome of Halo, that he believes all XBox games will be this good. I'm not saying he's wrong, but I really like the GC. SSB Melee rules ass! I've only played it in a store, but of what I've seen, the gameplay owns. I guess it's really just seeing where the gamers' priorities lie, but it seems that what has been said is right. People today are becoming more and more engrossed in graphics over gameplay, which is a sad state of affairs if the gaming world ends up like this. I'm still torn between XBox and GC at the moment, I guess now I gotta decide where my priorities lie.

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GC RULES,And every other console just sucks,EXSPECIALLY the xbox, because no one likes Microsoft...... stupid Bill Gates prick. Golden eye was the best, and Perfect Dark was even better, so Nintendo have proven that they can make good consoles, and that Rare Ware makes AWESOME games.p.s. the saving private ryan game on the PS2 sucks really, really hard.I played it in a Harvey Norman Store. I also played Medal of Honour: Allied Asault, and it rules (almost as much as Goldeneye did.)And i hate the GayStation, and it's sequal, and don't even get me started about that old dreamcast piece of crap....

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If Sony is going to spend 900 million dollars to develop the PS3 like they say and Nintendo's total assets are only 850 million how could nintendo possibly make a system to compete with that. This looks like what it is -Nintendo droping out of the next race and going 3rd party.

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NINTENDO DOES NOT HAVE TO SPEND 850 MILLION TO MAKE A GREAT CONSOLE GAME....ITS NOT THE HARDWARE THAT MAKES THE SYSTEM FOR CONSOLES BUT THE GAMES. PERIOD. NINTENDO WILL ALWAYS HAVE IT'S FRANCHISE TITLES. AND BIG SELLERS. NOT TPOO MANY EXCLUSIVE GAMES FOR THE PS2 THAT KICK ASS AND SELL WELL AND EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT.....LOOK AT THE X-BOX, IT IS TECHNICALLY SUPERIOR TO ALL THE SYSTEMS BUT IS SELLING POORLY. HARDWARE MEANS SQUAT WITH CONSOLES. ALSO MICROSOFT PUT ASIDE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO LAUNCH AND PROMOTE THE X-BOX...AND FOR WHAT? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT HELPING TOO MUCH RIGHT NOW...SO SONY PUMPING ALL THAT MONNEY TOWARDS THE NEXT SYSTEM MEANS SQUAT.

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I'm sorry to say this Souless Dragon,but you're really stubborn.If Nintendo sucks so much,how come its still here after almost 20 years?If Microsoft rules so much,how come itsIn a fight with NVidiaAt about 20% of the profit they wantedHappily rejected in Japan.Please tell me why.Stop whining and start thinkin'.Graphics aren't anything.And if you're still not convinced...wait about a year or so,then tell me which system won the console war.Do you know what most magazines say?They almost all say "GameCube is only good if you're patient,cause the good games will come only after a couple of months."Nintendo never decieved its players.And if their games are kiddy,well i'll consider myself kiddy so I continue to play those games.P.S. The PS2 has GREAT GAMES,mostly the RPGS. I only find Halo good on the Box.-Shadow

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"I'm sorry to say this Souless Dragon,but you're really stubborn.If Nintendo sucks so much,how come its still here after almost 20 years?"That's a hundered + years (they made card games before computer games in the 70s+Anyway, i think unfortunately, although i agree 100% with this policy, that the onslaught of reiteration to the contrary (by micro/sony) that entertainment systems will rub off on the consumers.It's a shame, i don't own a GameCube, only a PS2, but their games have *always* impressed me and I will buy a GameCube eventually just because they make the best games.

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Im glad i went 2 this forum... besides the dumb f**ks that dont present an argument much..... but im sick of goin 2 the X Box forums.... Good ol Sloose sledgin X Box 24-7.... keep up the good work. I rekon DRDEATH presents the best unbiased arguments in subtletys and is a smart ass (in a good way)Any hows back 2 GCN bin the best..... ILL REPEAT MYSELF AS I DID 3 TIMES IN OTHER FORUMSGCN will dominate cause most publishers r relasin on all 3 systems and this benfits GCN cause we have the best 1st and 2nd party developers. IE RARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LONG LIVE GOLDENEYE AND PD!!!!Also X Box is gayPS2 is alriote...... it aint a dumb giant like X box but still in my opinion GCN beats it.GCN does not have inferior specs.... if ur talkin bout polygon count.... we make those special 1'z which if forghot what they r called and hence overall beat PS2's "RAW" polygons.... if any1 knows which polys im talkin bout 4 the GCN... plz post it on this forum.The small mini DVD's have overcome piracy and ensure GNC will make ample sales + Overcome the catridge prob which prhibited and .... sniff sniff.. caused the console war 2 be won by stinkin PSX!Anyhows 1.5 or 1.8gigs is enugh 4 a game... if not they can add another disk which they couldnt do in the past with N64Thx 2 all the GCN fans out there!!!!LONG LIVE NINTENDOPS!Nintendo will never go 3rd party.... i have gr8 respect for the DC cause it really was not bad (not sayin i would buy 1 cause i waited for the GCN) but it was that attitude which caused it 2 die. The DC was mad but ppl though PS2 and GCN would come out and beat it.... i feel sorry for Sega.... snif snif. I look at the photos at the sega site and the comments sayyin "we r happy 2 work with Nintendo now (Sonic team manager) blah blagh blah.... but i know he really aint happy... reduced 2 3rd party!It is highly unlikely that Nintrendo will die out... unless invaded by China.... but hope they spare Sony (I like Sony MD's an

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hmm seems the rest of me msg didnt get throughoh well the rest was craplet me summaries again1) X box (or X house as i call it due 2 its size) sucks and is a PC2) Nintendo will dominate3) Rare r THE best game devellopers, equal with nintendo and Blizzard (GO STAR CRACFT!!!!!!!!!!!)4) Metroid Prime any body.....5)Thx Sloose... consoles are 4 a gatherin of ur mates and havin a ball... not online.... i dont have time 2 play online thats y i dont play PC much.... GO OUT U NERDS if u play online6) Goldeneye..... need i explain7) Perfect Dark........ GOD I LOVED THAT GAME8) I forgot 2 say that i almost bought a PSX because of the gun games, but after seein Zelda 64 and Bond.... i dint rethink or regret my decsion!9) uhhhh..... yeah thats all

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oh Anonymousat 6:15 13/5/2002was meMario.... nopeit was p00_p00just dosnt seem write written on a forum w/o the ittalian accentPS wonder if Mario Kart Cubed will be comin out soon..... Could this rival SMBM in MP fun....???time will tell

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I love your opinions p00_p00, great argument against XBX (or X-House as you call it. I bet that one stained the brain. Give yourself a medal champ)."Um dahhh, XBX sux cause it sux"... "Um... and its big so its crap... ye.... dahhhh"Idiot.Crawl out of your narrow minded little corner for a minute and read comments by XBX_IS_NOT_A_PC on the new XBX controller article.I doubt it will change the way you think about anything but it would do you good to actually look, with an open mind, at an intelligent point of view.

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Rare cannot go multi platform cause 50% of it is owned by Nintendo.... but i did hear that rumour 2 so i emailed Rare a couple of days ago .... havnt got reply yet but it dosnt seem that Rare will b goin anywhere since nintendo own 50% of it.... as well as Retro Studios...As for Anonymous I beleive X Box sucks.... just read all the unbiased articles and the losses that they r makin.... sheesh but 1 part of it bein crap is because it is big.... but the main reason is because cause it has crap games.Also when i call it X House... not only is the controller chunky but the console itself is huge!!!! GCN is like half the size, wait 1/4 of its size and about 35% of its weight.I admitt.... X Box seem 2 have a good onliohne plan but all it has is mainly (I STRESS MAINLY) PC ports since X Box was designed 2 stop piracy on PC's hence many PC developers will produce 4 X box first... i admitt... but however i still rekon they need a few original games (with Halo bowling over 2 Metroid Prime when it is released.)Microsoft should just go back 2 what its good at..... rippin ppl off with unstable operating systems.... hehehehehhe

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Adapted from the "X box 2 forum from some anoumynous guyuAnonymousat 20:50 17/4/2002Here's some facts i'd like to get straight(mostly the misconception on GC) First, the reason the disks are so small is for 2 reasons. 1. anti-piracy, it's much harder to pirate a disk you can't even buy since the disk were created just for this system. 2. Cost, it costs much less to make them, 6 GC disks can be made for the same price of one PS2 DVD disk, that's 9 gigs to 4.5. Next, I think that someone was saying in here that PS2 is more powerful than GC. Ha, and Ha again. If you see somewhere that the # of polygons that the PS2 and Xbox can display is outragiously highter than the GC's is because PS2 and Xbox only released the raw polygons the systems can display, while nintendo released real world polygons, which is the max polygons display with full lighting, textures, etc.While the PS2 is no where near the capability of the Xbox and GC, the reason it is so popular is because it has around 1 1/2 years as being exclusivly the only next gen system on the market, because of this there is a slim to no chance of the new systems to catch up.As of right now, the GC is killing the Xbox in sales worldwide. In japan GC is #3 in sales(behind PS2, and GBA) Xbox is in a distant 4th. In Europe, xbox sold 3000 units in 3 weeks while GC sold 400k in one week. Australia hasn't launch GC yet but nearly every store is unable to meet the needs of the preorder demands on the system. Once again Xbox has been lost in the shadow of the GC. Here in America Xbox had a very good launch but that died after all the hype on the 2 new systems settled down. The reason the xbox is doing so poorly is the weak software lineup, and system & controller size. The problem with the games is that there are few really good ones, plus any of the games on the xbox that people want, they can get a better one and more popular franchise on the PS2. The GC has exclusive rights on all of their 1st party and 2nd pa

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games which have always been high quality games, plus with the resident evil series, mafok, now if the facts are true and PS2 is faster and can support more polygons then why is it that every magazine, website, etc (the credible ones say that the GC has so much power to spare and that the PS2 has a dated look since it can't show as much detail), plus games like tony hawk 3 and many others have frame rate drops from the PS2 not being able to keep a full 60 frames per sec but the GC, which is an exact port, has none. While i'm a Nintendo fanboy, i'm still speaking realisticly, any credible source will tell you that the gamecube hasn't even been fully tapped for it's power while PS2 is limited to waht it is now. Go ahead, ask IGN, Gamepro mag., EGN mag., everyone will have to tell you that the GC is a much more powerful and capable machine, the xbox is the only one that has the capability to surpass the GC

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Anonymousat 0:29 18/4/2002sorry, forgot one other thing, with the GC's real world polygons, that's 6-12 million with much higher levels of detailed textures and lighting than the PS2's 20 million, with a much lower quality picture. The PS2 may be able to reach higher polygons per sec. but that's because it can't handle the high levels of detail put out with the GC. If you don't believe me, take any game from GC and compare the smoothness of the textures, crisp look of the water, or detail of shading and lighting to the same on any game from PS2.

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What is the truth........"So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view"Jedi Master Obi Wan KenobiSo its just different ppl's oppinion... the thousand or so ppl who voted all strongly beleived that GCN was the dominate system of the 3... but as i did say it cant be used as a general opinion of everysingle poerson can it?Yes GCN does have better graphs than PS2 for sure.... and X Box 4 now! Plz tell me what beats Res Evil or Metroid Prime grpahically rite now? DOA3 probly does and thats about it but i admitt the X Box has a lot of potential visually if it was used to it's max!

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Hell yeah poo pooGCN rocks ass and its the best.... nothin beats it... especially the gay boxf**k all the c**ts that go for M$ and that gay fag Bill! Crash and burn Shit Box... crash and burn is all i can say...LONG LIVE NINTENDO

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I mean the majority of people polled already owned a nintendo system in the past. No other console even made it past 5%. "Your all time favourite game was on Gamecube - 64%", PS2 ranked second at 6%? That's funny cause I really don't see any games out on gamecube yet that would warrant such an overwhelming response. Its a good system, but it won't be that good until a few months.

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Go NintendoKill the crapX-box.Well they have tried to get about as jiggy with the dam X-box as they could, hyping it to no end. Yet in the end all the catch phrases and snazzy logos in the world wont save you if your games suck. (Except Morrowind of course which is also a rockin PC game anyway)You see I have thought outside the Box, and found my way to the Cube. :)

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Does anyone know why Iwata said "The effort to produce machines with better technology has reached its limit."? That's ridiculous! 50 years ago another man proposed to congress to disperse the US Patent office because everything that could be invented had already been invented. This was the most narrowminded, underthought thought in the entire history of the world, and is exactly what Iwata is saying! Who appointed this crazo to presidency??? PS: Go Gamecube!!!

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If I took apart X Box, me make bomb to blow up Microsoft Building in AmericaI use American technology to kill AmericansHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHPSThe Twin Towers wasnt my dad doIt was George Bush.. he soo dumb he dont know he doing

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LOL,PS2 the best?XBOX?,thats bullshit,I agree a lot with the ppl that says that the graphics aren't the game,THEY'RE SO F(_)CKING RIGHT!,just tell me if that SHT called PSX made at least 1 game with more entertainment that a Mario Bros. game,im not telling mario bros rulz,im just saying that the graphics aren't the best SHT for buying a game,i have all nintendo consoles and they ALL work perfect,and sometimes i do prefer playing a SNES game that a GC one,and if iwant a DVD player and online games,better buy a laptop,its's sameller than XSHT and it's better,i can use it wherever i want,even in the bathroom LOL,and another thing,the only PSX and PS2 good game that i've seen is FF and metal gear,that's all,and GC will have EXCELLENT games that no other system will,Metroid Prime is an example,and it's sad the people wants graphics and not game entertainment. END

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Well graphs do contribute a lot.... but its not purely on graphics....Yes I also prefer to play some SNES games over a hell of a lot of the PS2 and some X Box games (since they dont have much rite now)

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