NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

According to the latest NV30 rumours, leaked information suggests that the NV30 range of cards will feature clock speeds centred around the 400 MHz mark. Although initially nVidia had suggested that they were aiming for lower clock speeds than that, it is slowly becoming evident that 400 MHz is what the graphics company will rely on.

Other information about the upcoming chip remains as it was. It will carry 8 pipelines and will consist of 120 million transistors built on the 0.13 micron process.

What does seem, initially, to be worrying for all nVidia fans is that the card will almost certainly rely on a 128 Mbit memory. Yup that is half compared to the 256 Mbits (DDR) which the 9700 and 9700 Pro's carry. It is of course unlikely that nVidia will not go out of their way to demonstrate how they have compensated for that and still managed to produce a top notch card.

It seems that benchmarks will once again rule the net.

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NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

it shows how many here have no idea about hardware. the difference Pramma is talking about is memory bandwidth (taking notes DuckWaffle ?). in other words how fast data is passed to and from the gfx cards memory. higher bandwidth means less chance of bottleneck there. that actually doesnt make the ati card 2x as powerful as Pramma said though. it just (as i said) reduces chances of gfx card memory bottlenecking. with some of the newer games coming this could actually have a radeon 9700 running faster (especially with large screen resolutions) where the NV30 would not be reaching its top speed because it has to wait for the memory to catch up.it will be interesting to see how much effect this has (specifically with higher resolutions)when the NV30 does come out.oh and it is also rumoured that there will eventually be a second version with DDR memory just like the GF4 series are all coming out with AGP x8 now. when (if?) that does happen it will be a mute point.no doubt the NV30 will still be bleeding edge internally but thats not what the article was about.p.s. before any child tries to flame me as an ati lover, i happen to have an nvidia gfx card but have also had an ati in the past. i am not some fanboy who knows bugger all about technology as some here obviously are.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

First: The writer doesn't suck!Write it for yourself!His work is good! OK!Without him it shoud'nt be any megagames. Of course its not only he that writes on Megagames.Second: HA! Géforce 3 is better than Geforce 4 (well, not G4TI).You will not be able to use all graphic options for DOOM3 with GF4 (any of them) but yu will with g3. GEforce 4 is only a remade G2, HA! Geforce 3 is much better!Besides ATI isn't as bad as you think! But geforce beats ATI anyway! so shut up in this neverending argue and dont blame the writer! Think if u should have written that text and everyone should complain!

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

well i just want to say that i got an Ati 8 mb mem altough it was one of the best card for about three years ago i had a vey big problem with drivers...ATI is relly bad with updating drivers ...so in that way ATI suxPS. I got a Nvidia TNT 32MB now and 8MB SUCKED =)

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

tusk : sincerly break that pride you have their man, the readeons are much better cards, i used to think the same way as you did by swaering by nvidia, but nvidia much like Intel uses a marketing scam to convince the customer that they are better when the fact is its not, the day i bought my first radeon I was looking for the Gforce 2 ultra (back then the highest dollar card available) i had seen one of these in action and was drooling for one.but thats just it, it was the highest dollar card but I couldnt find on in stock anywhere so i bought the radeon 64mb DDR VIVO card. To my amazement when i put that card in i was so impressed by the radeon, i stopped looking for the GF2 ultra card, realizing that there 250MHz clock was only speed and not power compared to its rival.Much like its predecessor, the radeon 8500 all in wonder is what i run now, and again i saw the same thing, a friend of mine showed me his GF3 and when it later came out the GF4, again i was impressed by the card, but this time i went to a store that had a radeon on display, and again the radeon was so much more impressive.Having said that, i realize that much like intel and AMD the speed means almost nothing. The brand name very much so means absolutely nothing, but its what is in those cards that means everything. So you can do as you wish and receive no condemnation from me, but my recommendation to you is the radeon series.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

in response to gingo :I have never had any issues with any of my games or apps with ATI cards, and they are doing much better at updating there newer drivers now, i agree that many had bad expierences in the past, expeically when they were not even supporting open GL. Ati is definitely making a much better approch at this now. I would also say that Nividia has had their share of driver problems too (TNT and TNT2 was notorious for driver problems which were never fixed) so for the public record i would like to say that i see both points for both nividia and ATI, but dont condemn either card maker, as they are both working hard to make our graphics solutions better and better, if i ever see the Nividia cards impress me more in action more so then spec, then i may go over to nividia in the future, but until then i will continue to compare the 2 and their price, and judge from there, upcomming i will be looking at the ATI radeon 9700 pro and the nv30 when it comes out, whoever is the better card maker will be the winner, but i urge you to do the same as i do, compare the card in action and not with words posted, you can always be a better judge by comparing the 2 together. Any1 can say this is better thats better, but lay your eyes on the screens you wont regret that you shopped around.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

So many Nvidia fan-boys its comical. The 256 is the memory interface. And it will make huge differences with future games as this holds issues with bandwidth. The simple fact that the 9700 has 256 bit memory interface and the NV30 will only have 128 is a mistake on Nvidia's part. The NV30 will use ddr2 memory on it's board. Who cares. The revised versions of the 9700 will be using GDDR3 system memory. Which is twice as fast as DD2. As well once the NV30 hits the market, wothin a few months after that ATI will be releasing the R350 and RV350 using 0.13 micron technology and i can assure you they will be using at least 256 bit memory interface. When bench marks are released for the NV30 it should be interesting to see how fast the card runs in comparison to the 9700 pro when its running games that are band-width hungry. The differences i bet won't be that dominating as the 9700 and the 4600 comparisons. And this will hold even more true when the GDDR3 memory comes out for the 9700.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

Yeah I used to be a loyal fan of nvidia, but the fact is that this large canadian company ATI is kicking the crap outta them technologically. Ok so the nv30 will come out in december.. then in the spring hello DDR2 memory and the R350... I have a geforce 3 now... but my next card will no doubt be ATI

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

NVidia is awesome. Just had to say that. 3dFX should have been the leader but they ran out of money to continue producing the Vodoo 6 5500 which would have blown the pants of the geforce2 mx because of 128mb ram. The only downside was that it needs it's own powersource. But back to the NV30 which will definitely kill ati once it comes out which will be a day of great graphics for new games.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

"Second: HA! Géforce 3 is better than Geforce 4 (well, not G4TI).You will not be able to use all graphic options for DOOM3 with GF4 (any of them) but yu will with g3. GEforce 4 is only a remade G2, HA! Geforce 3 is much better! "That is COMPLETLY wrong in EVERY sense. The G2 and G3 have nothing on the G4. I can't even believe someone would acually say something so unbelievably wrong.. OMG.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

"Second: HA! Géforce 3 is better than Geforce 4 (well, not G4TI).You will not be able to use all graphic options for DOOM3 with GF4 (any of them) but yu will with g3. GEforce 4 is only a remade G2, HA! Geforce 3 is much better! "You're thinking of the Geforce4 MX series, which are based on the Geforce 2, and aren't designed for 3D gaming. The Geforce4 TI series, which IS designed for 3d gaming, supports everything the Geforce 3 does plus some.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

Ppl. learn your stuff before you start ranting about something!!!!128 BIT memory interface is NOT MEGABYTES!!!!!!!Secondly, ATI is owning right now. For those who fail to see it, it is because you fail to look. No doubt nVidia will do everything in its power to overcome the Radeon 9700 but that's just plain survival. It's just nice to see the underdog OWNING HARDCORE for once. NVidia, your turn to play catch-up.p.s. I am running on a Geforce4 right now so I'm not an ATI fanboy. I've just had experiences with both ATI and nVidia and I realize that the gap is now very narrow even non-existent between the two.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

ok who ever started that part where the GF3 is better then any GF4 all i have to say is go buy the card and try it foo, i mean its like saying my 300mhz is faster then my 2.6ghz um no its not... secondly many of u DDR fans dont realize that 95% of aplications dont use the DDR feature meaning that is preatty much useless

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

actually the OS(and drivers) handle the interaction with memory (such as DDR) so the statement that 95% of apps dont use it are plain wrong.i wont be a part of "this is better than that" but i do have to correct some other falacies.1. geforce4mx cards are designed for 3d, they are designed for budget 3d though and not bleeding edge.2. geforce4ti are way more powerful than geforce 3.3. both nvidia and ati will (it appears) take the lead from each other at different times. its called competition.4. as i said originally (and backed by DRDEATH) people should learn more about hardware before making ridiculous fanboy statements.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

To the loser who keeps using my name and e-mail address to post on this:You are a racist peice of trash. You are anti-semetic and you do not know me. I will be reporting you to the moderator now. You are attempting to use my identity(thats fraud, and last time I checked, thats illegal). I will also be notifying your ISP for posting lude and racist comments. As well as attempting to use my identity for your purposes. Go to hell.Anyways, back on topic. If nVIDIA doesn't deliver, I won't buy from them. I am looking at at least 400 Mhz Core and no less than 256bit mem and DDR 2. If they can't put that out, then its ATI for me. I already saw that ATI DDR2 part, and its proof that ATI is on the ball and ahead of nVIDIA.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

John John, this shit with people using peoples id is becoming very common. For the assholes that are doing it. Get the f***** off this forum. We don't want your racist shit here. As for the Anonymous, i don't think this time around that Nvidia's latest offering will "kill" the 9700. As both cards hold simalar hardware with the differences in core speed. And remember, the 9700 is running with a 256 bit memory interface. The NV30 128. Also both will be running with DDR2 and later the radeon cards running GDDR3. So the NV30 won't post cruching numbers over the 9700 this time around like the 9700 did to the 4600ti. Then again you dont know. But i doubt it. Advice to all. Buy the card that offers the best value for the money. Period. At this point. It's ATI. If Nvidia can deliver. Then it will be them. No favorites.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

nVIDIA isn't even putting real DDR-II on the card. It turns out that since JDEC didn't approve a DDR-II standard they were gonna use a memory that is "similar" to DDR-II and nobody would notice. Now that might now even happen and could use the same memory as the 9700 Pro only on a 128 bit bus.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

Lets not forget, nVidia has been doing great keeping everything of theirs strictly confidetial, any information on their new tecknowlegy is still a mystery, while ATI is going on and bragging about everything they will be putting in their new cards, im sure nVidia is laughing at them as we speek, and ready to blow them away with their new shit. Lets face it, nVidia is phucking rich, they have so much money, it is imposible for them to go out of buisnes. Even though the radeon performs better in benckmark tests, nobody is buying their shit. I dont know a single person who has the Radeon 9700 (personaly) but I know tons of people who owns the GeForce 4 (all forms, mx, ti 4200, ti4400, and ti4600) nvidia is a very succesfull company, lets face it nvidia has won the battle of GF4 vs 9700. Not in card performence but in profits. I beleve there plan was was to use all the money they predicted would flow (wich it did) and spend all that to make the ultimate crazy machine. Dont be fooled about this so called "leaked information" this info was probably intentionaly released by nvidia to through off ATI and make them think that the nv30 will not be special, it all makes sence: the "delay" (lets just call it an extension, he he he), the BIG MISTERY (ooooooooooooo, im shiting my pants) think about it, do you actually think nVidia is looseing to a company that completly failed on the 9700 (consumer profits)

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

I respect you Ascension but some of your facts are truely fan-boy based. First off the 9700 was only released in august so it takes time for it to sell. When was the g-force 4 released?? Also the price is steep. And you can imagine what the NV30 will cost. Using DDR2 memory running at 1000mhz from Samsung. And since this technology is not released yet. The NV30 will be in short supply. And the plain fact that the NV30 is using 128 bit memory interface is a mistake on Nvidia. As future games that are band-width hungry will suffer. As for the NV30 slaughtering the 9700 in bench marks like the 9700 did to the 4600 ti. It wont happen this time around. Why? Because both cards have almost the same architechture. Same amount of vertex pipelines. Directx9 capable. Differences in clock speed and memory interface is one of the major differences and system memory.....And the fact that the revised 9700's will be using DDR2 memory and GDDR3 soon after the NV30 is released will close the gap. For me to even consider buying the NV30 for the steep price its going to be. It will have to double if not triple the performance of the 9700 pro...revised version or not. And it won't. Not with a 128 bit memory interface and using the same system ram........

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

Also, Ascension i do not see the g-force4 series of cards in any high-end built PC systems. IE. Alienware. And the delay was in getting DDR2 memory. Ascension base your opinions on results. Not on favortisim. "And completely failed on the consumer end with the 9700?????" Where are you getting your facts from???? The 9700 at this time is in high demand and available on the market in good supply. The big guns for the NV30 is the system memory running at 400 mhz faster then ATI'S 9700. But how long will that last? One month...maybe two. DDR2 when released in large supply will be running on the 9700 and the soon to be released RV350 and R350. Running at the same clock speed. So if you want to spend hundreds of dollars more for a card that will probablly only be marginally faster then the 9700 pro...go for it.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

OK DR DEATH, i respect you too, but it seems that you didnt listen to a word i said. First, their is no proof that the NV30 will be using 128bit, that information is a rumor, like it said in the article, it was "leaked information" you didnt here it from the company itself. For all we know a litle 5 year old was probably running around telling everybody bulshit. Second, that other thing, I am getting my FACTS from life. Like i said I don't know anybody personaly that owns ATI cards, not one. And I know at least 40 people personaly useing nVidia cards, 10 of wich are using the Ti 4600 (me being one of them) What does this tell you. This is eigther a strange coincidence, or the sad truth. Basicaly what im saiying that it is sad for a company wich has released a great card like the Radeon 9700 is not getting even half as much money as nVidia made on their Ti based cards. Look, the statistics world wide might not be the same as in my neighborhood, but I can assure you that nVidia is way more succesfull than ATI. And on a further note, more developers choose nVidia, to optomize with and advertize. Look at the unreal warfare engine, that game was completely optimized for nVidia cards and you tell me this, what screen first shows up after starting UT2003? if you guessed the nVidia logo and slogan (nVidia, the way its meant to be played!) you guessed right!!!PS, Go to the Alienware web sight right now, notice when you cutomize the computer, the GeForce 4 Ti 4600 128 option is their. And all information you heard about the NV30 is wrong, its all bullshit, like i said, its leaked information, its just a damn rumor, when sombody tells bullshit, they allways claim that its leaked information, thats just how lamers are, youll see.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

Actually it's not rumor. it's fact. It has been proven. Unless they do some radical chipset change they are using 128 bit memory interface. And check Alienwares TOP PC rig. It is equipped with the 9700 pro. If you want to chk the facts on the 128 bit interface. Go to inquirer.net. It gives theskinny on it ad the fact that the NV30 will be using 1000mhz DDR2 memory from samsung. Also the line about ATI not being as successful as Nvidia is true. Like the same can be said of AMD. It's a smaller company. And unless you work for Nvidia, the info i am getting from 7 web sites...geek.com, Techtv.com, digitimes.com and the rest are all saying the same thing. So these are reputable sites. And the info they release are almost always on the money. So wheres your proof that this is just rumors from a 5 year old? Dispute all those web sites. With facts. That's all i ask. Just because your friends or associates dont own a 9700 does not mean the entire free world does not. lol. Yes try playing Unreal 2003 at resolutions of 1600x 1200 with fsaa on and anisoscopic filtering on with the g-force 4600 ti and expect to see it run above 70 frames a sec. I don't think so. At this time it can only b done with the 9700. And once again how do you know the info is all bull shit that is said about the NV30? D

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

Ascension your a fan-boy of the company. That's fine. Being a fan-boy for any company unless you own it makes no sense to me. So if the company produces shit you will stand by it? lol. The very reason why Nvidia strives to push out quality products is because of ATI. If it were not for them Nvidia would not be so inclined to release quality cards and such. The same can be said with ATI. It's called competion. And it's good for all consumers. As i said before too. AMD is smaller then INTEL and INTEL makes quite a considerable amount of money more then AMD. Lots more to be precise. Does that mean that AMD is shit?? Or that only a few people YOU know only use the card? I find this interesting. The first time ATI has given Nvidia a run for it's money and blew it out of the water with it's latest offering, all Nvidia fan-boys are crying foul. Instead you should be cheering that the industry is making leaps and bounds towards creating G.P.U.'S capable of eventually running games in real-time graphics. Instead we get this fan-boy based favourtism. This really shows your age and that of others.

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

Last point. Wait until the NV30 is released and see if it's the true 9700 killer they hope it is. Then we will talk. And for the price Nvidia is gonna charge for it. It better triple performance of the 9700. Including the revised DD2 and GDDR3 9700 CARDS.........

NV30 With 400MHz but Limited Memory

lol Ascension is an imbecile. Sorry to see once again another blind sheep such as yourself. You have no idea what you’re talkin about but yet you continue to spew at trash likes its duty to do so.KLemme give you some FACTS, something you have no idea about in you little trailer park full of hicks running 4600's.1) ATI have sold 1.2 million 9700 Pro's.2) A Nvidia engineer said that 256 bit memory interface is "overkill". That leads me to believe that indeed there "rumors" are true.3) 3dfx had their logo everywhere too. And were also very "rich" and profitable. Also the default settings were for to logo to launch b4 every game. Look what happened to them.4) Realize that missing a cycle in this industry can mean the demise of your company. Just ask 3dfx :)5) Learn to learn

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