NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

[[The Launch]]

...And its name shall be GeForce FX.
nVidia today put an end to rumours and hearsay by officially announcing that their top-end card, formerly known as NV30, will henceforth be referred to as GeForce FX. As a result of the announcement, details of the card, leaked by a variety of sources, suggest that the chip will be the fastest yet.
The story so far:
-nVidia decided to use the .13 micron process for the new card. This led to a costly delay, in order for technical difficulties to be overcome. The advantage of the process however, is that the chip will not be limited to 400MHz and nVidia insiders are fairly sure that it will peak around 500MHz.
-GeForce FX will also use DDR II memory running at 500MHz or 1GHz effective, making it the fastest memory so far.
-nVidia's new baby will feature eight pipelines and two TMU's, one more than ATI, allowing it to render 16 textures per pass.
-Design efficiency will allow the card formerly known as NV30, to produce 200 million triangles per second.
-The new chip will deliver 48 GB/s, double what ATI's RADEON 9700 PRO does, even though it does use DDR 256 bit memory, nVidia will use 128 bit memory.
-According to nVidia, fast machines should yield a score of 21000 to 22000 on 3dmark 2001 SE.
-Again, according to nVidia, color precision will better what was used on Toy Story 2 by utilizing film-quality color precision, producing higher precision 64 and 128 bit color.

Computer games today are fast and exciting, yet they still lack the ability to engage us emotionally, said Jen-Hsun Huang, president and CEO at NVIDIA. With the GeForce FX GPU, game developers now have the power to create awe-inspiring visuals and bring character emotion to life. GeForce FX enables a new type of interactive expression we call cinematic computing.
The word cinematic is the term both graphics competitors have decided to focus on. Admittedly it adds a very exciting concept to gaming, even suggesting, ever so slightly, that games on these new cards will seem like movies.
The nVidia GeForce FX GPU is the result of ten years of passionate effort by the best 3D graphics engineers in the business and includes technologies invented at NVIDIA and 3dfx, Huang continued. The GeForce FX GPU delivers unprecedented 3D graphics performance and the NVIDIA Unified Driver Architecture ensures the reliability and quality that has become the hallmark of NVIDIA GPUs.

What the endless list of features does, is to sugar-coat the pill, the active ingredient of which is its price, which will confine the new card to existing merely as the drooling center-piece of most PC hardware stores.

The launch of the new card was followed by a strong sign of support by the gaming industry almost in its entirity. To find out which luring upcoming titles will feature enhanced support for the new chip, read on by following the link below and to your right...

[[The Games]]

Immediately follwing the GeForce FX graphics processing unit (GPU), announcement, gaming giants such as id Software, Epic Games and Legend, as well as publishing powerhouses including Electronic Arts, Microsoft Game Studios, Konami Corporation and Ubi Soft Entertainment, to name a few, announced their support. All these companies plan to leverage the power and performance of the nVidia GeForce FX GPU to further bridge the gap between games and Hollywood productions, the word Cinematic comes to mind again.
nVidia claim that the GeForce FX GPU will be the first GPU to enable real-time, cinematic-quality graphics and special effects on desktop PC's.

By providing the industry's best game developers with future-generation hardware and software tools, we're hoping to unleash no-holds-barred creative talent and take 3D games to a whole new level, said Bill Rehbock, director of developer relations at nVidia. The game industry has long held nVidia in high regard for having the best developer support and GPU quality. When you add the GeForce FX GPU to the equation, games will be both stunning and stable. Consumers are the real winner.
Designed with game developers in mind, the GeForce FX GPU provides higher levels of programmability and performance, allowing stunning 3D worlds and characters to come to life as never before. For consumers, desktop PCs outfitted with GeForce FX GPUs evolve into the ultimate gaming rigs, with the perfect blend of processing power and feature set for experiencing games the way they are meant to be played.

Valve

The GeForce FX GPU is incredibly fast, said Gabe Newell, founder and president of Valve Software. Over the last few years, NVIDIA has spoiled us with regular performance leaps, but this time we're talking ridiculously fast. Game developers are going to have to look to movie quality production values just to absorb all of the horsepower that NVIDIA is giving us.

EA

With Command & Conquer Generals we wanted to bring a Hollywood action experience to the real-time strategy genre, said Mark Skaggs, general manager at EA Pacific. nVidia's GeForce FX GPU couldn't have come along a better time. We're looking forward to leveraging the power and features of the GeForce FX GPU to deliver the best possible experience to gamers.

Ubi Soft

The strengths of the GeForce FX GPU will allow gamers to experience Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell exactly the way the designers intended, said Jay Cohen, vice president of publishing at Ubi Soft Entertainment. Gamers will be able to participate in the stealth action by crouching in dynamic, soft shadows and they can use glow effects and thermal vision to carry out their missions undetected. This kind of technology allows players to become immersed in the gaming experience like never before.

Microsoft

Stuart Moulder, general manager of Microsoft Games Studios adds: Now everybody really needs the best visual effects they can have for their games to really shine, whether it's a strategy game, or a first-person action game, or a sports title. You need great lighting effects, you need to be able to make characters look realistic and human, and that's true for any genre of game now.

Epic

With the GeForce FX GPU we now have very, very accurate lighting, said Tim Sweeney of Epic Games, makers of the renowned Unreal Engine. You'll be able to see the shadow of the character's nose sweep across his face as the light moves around and it'll be very smooth and realistic.

Massive

We are deeply impressed by the performance characteristics of the latest NVIDIA GeForce FX GPU. Its processing power combined with an extremely high visual quality is fantastic, said Ingo Frick, technical director at Massive Entertainment. The high internal precision of the graphics data, as well as the variety of new antialiasing techniques, leaves nothing to be desired. This technology enables us to create an almost cinematic yet also interactive world in our current game, AquaNox2: Revelation.

Legend

Pixels shaders and vertex shaders I think showed a lot of promise when they came online, but clearly they were limited and it was just kind of a vision of the way things could be, said Mark Poesch, technical lead at Legend. The GeForce FX GPU really is that step where it goes from being a vision of how cool things can be, to being able to actually prove that we can make it real now.

Over the next few months, NVIDIA expects to announce additional details on games primed for the GeForce FX GPU, in addition to other developer and publisher alliances.

You can find loads of nVidia GeForce FX Goodies, such as screensavers, demo's, desktop themes and icons to download by following the Download tab above.

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NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

Now all we need is a good operating system.Hmmm 8 years and still waiting, it's surely to be out soon, cmon everything else got better.Sad that everything has gotten a little better, but the operating systems or still floating below the tide.

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

GPU's are anyway three years ahead of games programmers. So even now, there are not a lot of games that fully support ATI radeon family cards or NVIDIA GeForce 4xxx series. So, If we're realistic, Is it worth to pay fortune for a card that no software will support it, not to mention games that are curently in development to optimize cards such as RADEON 8500&9700(DOOM3)? Then when would we take advantage of this new candys? Not before 2004 when there wil be even better cards. And so on and on. OK, that's my opinion.About NV30, don't bo to hasty. So it was ringing bells for PARHELLIA but but but....

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

i have a question for all u guys out there, for all the people who dont have this new geforce card, (i have a geforce 4) will the games support mine still, or is it now if u dont have the new ati card or when it comes out the new geforce 90% of the people who own pc's cant play new games? games publishers surely wont bring a game out that will only work on 2 brand new graphics card as they are cutting their market down as not everyone has an amazing top of the range card!!!!

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

L shaped tetris box you are not to smart are you??. Who needs more then lets see 2,2ghz and hmm lets see 512ddr It wont do any differens in the games today when the os dont take advantage of more of the computer!. Thats why you are a d**k head bying all those unnesesary horse power for no good reason besides that Bying a gf fx wont do any good before they realesed any games suporting its new fetures!. I mean i can renember i bought the Matrox g400 for the bumpmaping and i took them 3 years before there even came a game suporting the shit!. And i can say i wasnt to impressed eather. Then came the gf3 and that really sucked when games came to suport shaders and stuff it was to slow!!!.And yes i love nvidia but i dont like them for their price on card. Thats why RADEON 9700 is so darn good. Corse competion makes price cuts and that i like.

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

well lets see, Unreal tournament 2003 to play it max detail (with the unpatched ultra high detail) u need 1gb of ram. oh no 512ddr well thats screwed. and 2gbs of ddr or rd ram will make a difference. Win xp takes advantage of more ram, only the older windows dont because serioulsy any one with less then win xp is a dope.oh no buying a geforce fx wont do any good. u dumb Fu*k course it will it could improve fps by about 20+ depending on your pc. Yes most games now wont use the

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

I am here. lol. Hey i always said i would buy the best product for the value and power. No favorites. The NV30 looks good. However, we have not seen it run yet in real time games. And lets not forget by the time we can get our greedy lil hands on it....Feb the earliest if your lucky as it will go in full production by then, ATI is also releasing a revised version of the 9700 pro running DDR2 memory running at the same DDR memory speed as the NV30. (And this is were alot of the NV30 speed is coming from) So this battle is just getting good. Better for all us consumers. PSILAXS, most people will not be able to get this card in DECEMBER. Read the reports. If the NV30 can double the performance of the 9700 PRO Revised or unrevised, i will buy it. I will have to see the real time bench-marks when it's released. Then again i might just wait until the R350 or RV350 is released soon after. At least by then there might be 1 game out there that uses all this new technology! As it is for now, no game uses directx9 or most of the 9700pros technology and the same will be said for the NV30.

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

This is amazing news! Finally computers can become WorkStations, just plug it on to a hi-hi tv set with a scart cable, watch dvd, play game with xbox quality or more... I think it's great news! Technology is booming fast and we are the ones who are favoured...Enjoy Internet Gaming people!!! Unreal Rules!!!

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

The GF FX will be only slightly faster than the 9700 and the specs don't even top 9700 in some cases. Read the real specs at Tom's Hardware. [url removed] The memory bandwidthGF FX = 16 GB/s9700pro = 19.8 GB/sMemory bus (pretty important)GF FX = 128 bit9700pro = 256 bitIt does run at a faster base clock speed, but with the other limitations, it will not blow 9700 away. Also, the cooling unit takes up another expansion slot and is very loud. I'm sure they'll make it quieter. It will be faster, but not enough for me to shell out more money when my 9700pro will be very comparable. Especially if I upgrade to DDR2.GF FX has an impressive fillrate and have made some good advancements, but it won't beat the 9700pro like the 9700pro beat the GF4-4600.Oh yeah, and Windows XP is the best windows to date (of course). It runs fine and doesn't crash or lock up 1/50th as much as 98SE.

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

f**k you DeQuosaek How can you tell that it will be faster dum ass it isnt tried yet hell they are still developing it you dum ass!.And [url removed] dosent say a shit ,and yes fragking have a point xp sux it really do sux!!. It hang just ass much as any of the windows products and after all this time they still havent fixed some major problems!.

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

Hey Anonymous, it WILL be faster. If you had brain one in that warped little skull of yours it would be obvious. NVidia would not develop it at all if they couldn't make it faster. Tom's hardware says a whole hell of a lot.In fact the GF FX has some interesting features that they think will be better than DX9. Their own engine. But we'll have to wait and see what MicroSoft does with DX9 because it isn't done yet, so they can't quite compare the figures.Windows Xp is the most stable of them all yet, unless you're trying to run it on a system that can't handle it.What are the major problems WinXP has that don't plague your old Win98SE?FragKing have a point? it really do sux?Maybe you should spend more time learning english and less time flaming, illiterate.

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

yo you f**king dequosaek thats bullshit what you are saying about the memory only 128 bit it will be the fastest memory on earth!!!I am sure that the FX will kick BIG ass, its produced 0.13 micron so think about it!!!but i dont think it is usefull to buy such an expencive card because no f**king game will support all those wonderfull specs. until begin 2004 trust doom3 is the first perfect game for this card.i and i can tell now doom3 will have the best graphics of the year 2003!!!

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

It will be fast memory Anon, but only 128 bit! Read it. Don't ask me why. Everything says 128 bit, even the page prior to this one.How will there be no games to support this until 2004 when doom 3 is being released in 2003? Who knows what support they will add in the coming months?

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

Thats the catch here. Like many have said and is true. No game will use the technology that these two cards(9700pro, NV30) have to offer. Not until the next genration cards are released! And ATI screwed...LMAO. Too many fan-boys.....What do you think ATI is working on as we speak? The R350 and the RV350, and the revised 9700pro running DDR2 memory. It's a cycle now. And Nvidia is also working on their next generation chip also. It will never end, and this is good for us consumers. Because no game will take full or any advantage of these cards new hardware, is it worth shellinmg the money out for it when in 3-4 months or less you will see a faster card out?

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

yeah these are all biased speculations, so you f**king nvidiots need to understand you are all victims of nvidia's propagandist puppetry. this article is half made up and half nvidia's telling them what their product can do. they give no reliable evidence, as the card hasn't started mass production, they keep delaying it to make it as good as ATi's. i seriously don't think any real programmers have seen thie nVidia

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

lol its about the same speed as the 9700 and it took them 6 more months to make. And it takes up two slots(AGP+PCI) cuz of the stupid cooling device. It will also cost $500 bux. and half of the article written on about it is wrong.lol it has 1 TMU(same as 9700)it has 128 bit interface therefor 16GB/s of Bandwidth(less than 9700)its only advantage over the 9700 are vertex shaders and clock speedit is nothing special and Nvidia has dissapointed me along with many others.it WILL be out FebruaryYou would be a pretty dumb individual to buy this thing at almost twice the price of the 9700 at february launch.if your were a Nvida fan its a good time to switch :)

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

Even if it is a little bit faster than the 9700, so what it wont be out until late feb. a month or two after that ATI will have already released a newer faster card contining the graphics wars. ATI has always had better quality cards,but they also stubbled with their drivers over the years. Geforce usually makes faster cards with less options and features. ATI makes high quality affordable cards with lots of features. Geforces are all about speed.ATI will continue to be the king of the graphic cards for atleast the next few months.

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

I'd like to comment on the new nvidia card, The only real advantages of this new card is the clock speed is significantly higher than any other (500mhz) the ram bandwitdth may be only 16gb/s but the losless color compresion compresses the color on textures at a 4:1 ratio with no performance hit, this means the card would have equivalant of about 64gb/s of memory bandwidth. And first off iluvlezblans the card doesnt need to be in mass production to perform tests, they have test boards that have been made. And the card was delayed because the process of making the new card was cut down to 0.13 Micron, unlike ATI's 0.15 micron, which allows them to fit more transistors in a smaller space and also makes them faster. As for the two slots it was designed to transfer heat out of the computer case which would signicantly reduce heat not only on the card but inside the case as well, personally i dont know anyone that uses 6 PCI cards anyways. As for the ATI cards they are good cards but i have had nothing but compatability problems with them in the past Nvidia has been very reliable and shows quality performance and image quality.

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

Froboy is correct on alot of issues,I went and Bought an ATI RADEON 8500 128 meg, and the damn thing is a headache with alot of games, i love the card, great performance, but i get graphical glitches all the time. MSN popping through the screen while im playing a game, Certain sprite textures and text in 2d games such as Sim City 3000 disappearing, and i never know which driver is going to work with what, i go through drivers like an alchoholic goes through booze trying to find a driver that has good performance& compatibility.ATI has great hardware, but there drivers are an absolute mess. Because of this, i am not sure if i would buy one again, because of all the problems i have had with it.hasnt been a totally horrible experience, My TV output works awesome, i dont have to d**k around trying to get it to work like my GeForce card, But game crashes and errors eclipse the good tangibles of the card.BEST regards to ALL,Psilaxs

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

My best friend has a 9700 Pro and I can honestly say we have hit no problems yet. The only problem we had at all was enabling the AGP 8X. We had to flash his motherboard BIOS and everything has been perfect since! Oh yea, DONT DOWNLOAD THE BETA DRIVERS! We get strange lag now in older games, granted the DOOM 3 Alpha works AMAZINGLY! Anyone who had driver problems prior to the 9700 release will be SUPERBLY impress with the recent drivers! We get over 145 fps constantly on Unreal Tournament 2003! And Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit 2.... We never go below 100 fps at max detail! The antialiasing isn't quite as good as advertised! Seems to take a bigger CPU hit than my GF4 Ti 4200. But other than that, perfect! For now though, I'm just gonna stick w/ my GF4 Ti 4200 until the GF FX or the ATI equivalent comes out! But guys, dont listen to these guys about the ATI drivers, that's the old ATI drivers. The new ones are nearly rock solid!MORE POWER TO COMPETITION!!WE ALL BENEFIT!!!!

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

Me thinks mr saboteur (Sabotage)Works for ATI, YES ATI has problems with drivers, always have, and I downloaded your new ATI drivers, makes doom 3 run awesome, but none of my older games would run at all.Viper racing gave me an error with the new ATI drivers I had never seen, even on my old S3Virge 4 meg card, And that error was

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

I don't get it...all you nVIDIA fans pooping up yelling about how its gonna be the best gfx card in the world and the best for DOOM 3. As i remmeber in an interview with one of the deleopmers of doom 3 about 4-5 month ago he cleared out that You will need ATIs NEW(at that time not yet released) R300 to get the best graphics + all the candy.I don't give a damn about NV30 i don't give a damn if it should have a higher FPS of 200 or more...f**k it...IF YOU WANT IMAGE QUALITY, SMOOTH PICTURES INCREDIBLE GRAPHICSrealistic gaming, and no lag of course u go ATI.IF you want sky high FPS which doesn't really have a purpose other that u have something to tell you friends in a try to be

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

Im not blaming ATI for MSN,it is a simple issue which doesnt happen on the NVIDIA cards. Things on my desktop SHOULD NOT appear flicker flash or otherwise show themselves while i am in a game.And that was just 1 example, BTW i would like to see a picture of you getting 200 fps on Q3, that is really good ;)

NV30 Faster than RADEON 9700 PRO

Sorry Psilaxs but yo are wrong in about all of you statment if you want good picture then You should go on to nd fx if you want a nice fps on smaller machines you shouldgo to nv fx i have a Radeon 9700 pro and i must say it did not make to much of a deep impression.Maby to all of you who want to play q3 in a fps in 200 go ahead stay whit your pathetic ATIs.because i am going to piss at you whan i get my Nv fx and run you over!.Ps q3 sucks!!!!.Ds ati should just stay quiet until they fixed all their driver problemsthey remind me of the open gl for the matrox g400 but still they are far more better then ati because they fixed it.

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