NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

The speculation about nVidia's upcoming, NV30 based, chip is reaching a climax as the card is getting preped for launch. Most of the secrets of the card have already been discussed but the final piece of the NV30 puzzle, that of the memory used, has not yet been put in place.
As discussed in an earlier article, nVidia's Radeon Buster, will carry a 128 Bit memory interface while its rival the RADEON 9700 PRO uses double that. As can be expected most were shocked to hear that and were ready to write the new product off. It is unlikely however, that a competitive, driven company like nVidia would release a product which would be ouclassed by the competition from day one.

The latest information, leaked or not, suggests that the new chip will have a small surprise as far as memory clock speed is concerned. How do you compensate for a weak interface? Using what you've got effectively. Initial suggestions that nVidia would be using 700 or 800 MHz DDR memory were hurried and inaccurate.

Apparently nVidia, in December, will dish out the first graphics chip carrying the new DDR II memory. That claim alone is enough to raise a few eyebrows, since DDR II was not expected until Q1 2003 and many, including AMD, claim that it will not hit its market stride until 2004. Confused? If the card will utilize DDR II it will have to be available in extremely limited quantities in December, if at all. Strangely enough, Nvidia CEO, Jen Hsun did say he expected some new cards to be available in December.

If the new information is correct then the clock speed of the memory on the new card will be an astounding 1GHz.

A new chip with DDR II, 1GHz memory, approximately 400MHz faster than ATI's is a serious contender for the fastest graphics chip crown and is bound to push the RADEON 9700 PRO to its limits.

Since we almost know everything about nVidia's upcoming chip except for its name and there are bound to be more than a few comments on this article, why not suggest what name you would like it to have. (GeForce 5 replies will be overlooked)

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NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

it all sounds very tasty, but its gona comeat a price! and what use is a super ultra mega fast gfx card, if you havent got a super duper ultra fast cpu and memory, ddr-II memroy on motherboard is ages away, and the gf4 is yet to be fully utilised! ;)my advice, pick upa vey cheap ti 4400or ti4600 wen the nv30 first appears, then wen the rest ofthe pc is ready for it in 6 months, you will be able to get a nv30 and save a LOT of money!flame at your will, but thats just my opinion! :)

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

i dont really care how good the NV30 will be, cos if it costs more than $800 australian, im not gonna buy it. its as easy as that. im not made of money like these gfx board companies would like me to be, so i think ill just go with the card thats the most power for your money, but will also last for quite a while.

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It's inevitable that the PC Market do such things in order to create such hype because if they didn't, if they just sat around and waited for all the components to be "up to date" with each other it would take a decade to launch any new technology. I personally think it suck that as soon as you buy the "newest and best" and get on the net for the "latest and greatest" drivers for it the first thing you see is an ad for a newer version of your brand new product and at the same price if not lower than you paid not to say that it was cheap for as we all no "NEW TECH=BIG BUCKS". But come on for us in this business THATS HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED...

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

It's inevitable that the PC Market do such things in create such hype because if they didn't, if they just sat around and waited for all the components to be "up to date" with each other it would take a decade to launch any new technology. I personally think it suck that as soon as you buy the newest and best and get on the net for the "latest and greatest" drivers for it the first thing you see is an ad for a newer version of your brand new product and at the same price if not lower than you paid not to say that it was cheap for as we all no "NEW TECH=BIG BUCKS". But come on for us in this business THATS HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED...

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

I agree with mathestar... I got a yr old card (Radeon) and it still gets good frame rates (45+) on all the new games at 1024x768 in 32bit color. So why waste my money on a new card when I can get a 6 month old card that will still a play the games a good rates. And the 6 month old card is HALF the price of the new one.

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

Maybe you should all see psychiatrists about your obsessive spending disorders. Computers, while they are useful, simply drain money away. A better option, would simply be to find something better to do with your time because lets face it, there are millions of supremely better things in this world, then sitting at a desk all day wasting your life away to computer games

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

Yes, but the 128 bit memory interface is gonna slow the NV30 down in band-width hungry games. And the simple fact that the revised 9700 will be using DDR2 memory and the up coming GDDR3 will cose the gap in speed terms. Also expect to see the R350 and RV350 released just after the NV30. ATI'S answer to the NV30. Using 0.13 micron technology.

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

Digit-Life sends word that Leadtek has announced their latest graphics card roadmap. All provided details are listed below.WinFast A180 DDR TDH - GeForce4 MX440 AGP 8X (NV18), 64MB DDR, large cooler, Hardware Monitor, AGP 8X, DVI-I, 9 games, WinFast utilities, DVD player - November 2002WinFast A180 DDR TDH, MyVIVO - the same plus video in/out, Ulead VideoStudio 6 SE DVD, WinFast Cinema support (onboard socket for upgrade to WinFast Cinema) - November 2002WinFast A280 LE TDH - GeForce4 Ti4200 AGP 8X (NV28), 64/128MB DDR, double-sided cooler, Hardware Monitor, AGP 8X, DVI-I, 9 games, WinFast utilities, DVD player - November 2002WinFast A280 LE TDH, MyVIVO - the same plus video in/out, Ulead VideoStudio 6 SE DVD, WinFast Cinema support (onboard socket for upgrade to WinFast Cinema) - November 2002WinFast A330 (provisional plans) - NVIDIA 5G chip, 128MB DDR, AGP 8X, DirectX 9 support. The release is TBACheck out the bottom one, thats the NV30, no date yet, 128 Meg DDR and its a nVIDIA 5G chip. Anyone have any idea what that is about?

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

Knowing NVIDIA they will not release a sub-standard card. you've all heard the rumours about the GeForce4 not being used to its full potential- whether this is right or not doesn't interest me much. i won't be buying one. in my new box i'm just putting a top-line GF2, until the Radeon is a sure thing, or until NVIDIA gets their new (prolly better) card out. there is no real reason to buy a card just 'cause its new IMO. I've seen a TNT2 Ultra outclock a GF3 on max settings, so i'm a little cynical of the new tech. i'll quit raving right about.... now.

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

"Hey Geforce... you wanna live forever!"lets use the X theme though and go for Xtremeforce or Xtraforce or XXXforce.. maybe just Xpensive...anyone actually gonna buy this thing or wait for the bugs to come out? i find everything they release these days to be big beta test for all of us.. wait till spring guys.. or ealry summer.. is when the market cuts prices... use yer money to get new games that will need these new cards to run them :)

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eh OK that’s great DDR2 hmm... TOO BAD ATI already HAS a radeon 9700 running with DDR 2. How is memory advantageous to one company when BOTH CARD are using THE EXACT SAME THING? HMMlol also DDR2 is exactly the same f**king thing as DDR except it can run at higher frequencies. AKA higher speedsSo to sum this all up Nvidia will have absolutely no advantage over ATI in terms of memory. ATI can and will release the 9700 with it DDR2, which is a no big deal at all to them just a small (simple procedure).Sorry Nvidia that’s strike two!

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

I'm not sure what to call the nv30 but by the looks of its spec's they should have named the radeon 9700 "titanic" instead!;-)mathestar with the first post has hit it right on the head! go get yourselves a 4400 or 4600 untill the cpu speeds, agp bandwith and mainboard ddr are up to scratch!

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

chillaxer, you are wrong about the DDR 2. The difference is the ammount of instructinos(data) that it sends and receives on every cycle. DDR 2 has doulbe the ammount than DDR. However, JDEC hasn't approved a DDR2 standard and that is why ATI is looking at G-DDR3

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

That's just not correct. The "twice the bandwidth" stuff is happening internally in DDR-II, and is completely transparent to the outside world. Essentially, DDR-II runs at half the speed and twice the bus width internally relative to DDR, but externally it looks practically the same, using the same DDR signaling protocol. DDR-II 500 is 125MHz internally, and 250Mhz DDR on the bus. DDR is 250MHz internally, and 250Mhz DDR on the bus. Both provide identical bandwidth.

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

Chillaxer, thats what I meant to say, but lets say, on every cycle, DDR 1 only had 1 operation going thru it, at the begining of it, but DDR II uses it at the begining and end that it sends out, thus doubling the data it sends, but nothing about double bandwidth tho. Just it can push the data faster due to the 2 operations.

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

How about the Riva TNT3? :) The last chipset that "killed" the competition was the TNT2... ever since then nVidia has been on top (cept for the Radeon 9700 Pro release).And all this fanboy crap about how nVidia chips sux and ATI sux... grow up. The bottom line is: nVidia has been top dog for a while, then ATI comes out finally takes the crown with one graphics chipset (the most expensive one on the market, IMO not worth it's price... TI4600 is still damn good). Besides nVidia's driver set is rock solid... John Carmack programs game engines using the Detonator drivers as a BASE idea.On the other hand, I like ATI bringing on the heat because that means cheaper prices. I hope both companies do well.

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

LOL, haha. GF4 Ti 4600 cheap? that thing is overpriced. Still around $230 retail, so it aint worth it. 9700 is a bit pricey, but the prices have dropped alot and continue to do so. Oh yeah, haha, and what, do you work with John Carmack? I mean, do you know what he thinks? who cares, the guy programmed the doom engine to what the Geforce is capable of and added extra stuff for newer cards. Lately Detonators have been crud, ATI drivers have improved alot and it turns out that the AGP 8x prob was in the motherboard which was easily fixed with a bios update. Thats it, go ahead and buy your overpriced GF4 if you want, I'll wait and see whats better come the end of this year.

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

One thing is definately certain. PC Gaming in the next few years is gonna get better and better. As for a new name for the graphics card. I suggest the hellraiser or nitro series. Hellraiser would be a good term for the hell this will be for competitors when they see what this can do or Nitro since historicly nitroglycerine replaced tnt as the most powerful explosive before the atom bomb was invented. BOOM!!!

NV30 Still has Trick Up its Sleeve

Am I the only one here that doesn't thinks it really matter THAT much about ram clock speeds?? I mean, fuk, correct me if Im wrong but with games at the moment dont you need higher memory banwidth for super-high resolutions and FSAA??Who the hell runs games at 1600x1200 4xFSAA???Personally I can't stand looking at a monitor running under 100Hz so that sets my max resolution at 1024x768.. hardly in need of super high bandwidth?!?!I think the core clock speeds and the card architecture efficiency will matter heaps more than ram clock speeds.... at least for the next 6-12 months until some games that actually use these bandwidths come out!My opinion? Keep your old card for the time being and wait to see some benchmarks comparing the cards.

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