NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

nVidia are ready to begin their comeback in an attempt to recapture the graphics throne which has been prized from them by Canadian rivals ATI. According to sources close to nVidia the NV35 will appear, for the first time, at E3 to be held in Los Angeles from May 14-16.

The chip will use the same core as nVidia's NV30 (GeForce FX 5800 series) but will deliver much improved performance, according to the same sources. NV35 boards will support the more popular DDR memory standard, rather than the DDRII architecture supported by the NV30.

Manufacturing Company Taiwan Semiconductor(TSMC) will be the sole manufacturer of the NV35 chip, using a 0.13-micron process.

This chip will attempt to end nVidia's woes in the high-end graphics market. For the past few months the company had a shortage of NV30 and NV31 (GeForce FX 5600 series), chips, boosting demand for similar products by ATI. Although ATI did not manage to fully exploit those problems faced by their rivals, they still retain the performance crown.

Widely circulated rumours that the NV35 will simply be a revamped NV30 cannot be accepted at face value since nVidia are bound to pull all the stops in order to claim the prestigious speed crown from their rivals. Whatever the benchmarks will finally say, the launch of yet another high-end product is likely to make those products more accessible to even more gamers and that can only be good.

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NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

so its gunna have 2 slots, a f22 raptor engine... i mean blow hole... and its gunna still take 2 pci slots ... lemme guess does this card blow up with screensavers too lmao.but if its gunna use ddr instead of ddr 2 then its gunna use more power and + ddr 1 is slower then ddr2 so this card is still gunna suck major ass cmon nvidia design a new core ati has 1 slot no ff2 engine and is faster u complete mofo and i though the fx was gunna kick ass :(

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

Ok, so now for my real thoughts:Well sharpshooter, the real drawback in the FX was not utilizing DDRII, it was only using a 128-bit memory bus instead of the 9700/pro's 256. If the FX used a 256-bit bus, i am convinced it'd have beaten the 9700/pro pretty damn well in the benchmarks. And the reason that nVidia is reverting to DDR1 instead of 2, is because DDR2 is still very expensive and not widely manufactored. But yes, it is disappointing to see that it appears the nv35 will also take up another pci slot, but lets assume nvidia will learn well frmo teh screensaver issue and this card wont suffer from such things.

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

I realy hope this card does not take up another PCI slot. And is not just another refresh of the fx core. If ATI can do it, why not Nvidia? Let's hope this card is kick ass! And is released soon after it's debut at E3. Not just another paper launch. That would be painful. Let's wait and see. Hopefully this card will be faster then the 9800pro by large margins. As the 9900pro is also around the corner. Let's then see those prices drop like crazy!!!!

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

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NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

i don't think "de-advancing" is a word....but anyways, the new "NV35" or overclocked nv30 ^_^ seems like it won't beat ati *and i don't mean performance wise* if this new card takes up your first pci slot, most people won't get it if it's faster than the ati, just because of that. ati will continue to rule the video card market until nvidia gets a better cooling solution. on-board water cooling??? not a bad idea considering it would be quieter. and i have to ask one more question.....why did they decide to blow the air out? would it be that horrible if it blew air into the case? i mean, that way it could be made a bit more compact without risking another pci slot. nvidia should talk to me sometime =P

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

Its pretty simple. ATI cards are now faster but nvidia has so much more support from game manufactuers. If they can meet ATI's performance there is no reason not to get one over ATI. Catalyst sucks compared to detinator. Stability counts.

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

Nvidia...They don't really think...All they want is leading...They dont take time to make 1 powerfull card wich could beat any ATI's one...Alot of Nvidia owners has problems with it, like that screensaver thing MegaGames posted - Overheating problem etc..Look at ATI's Heatsink/Fan they are tiny, Nvidia " I think " mess alot with overclocking, thats why the Gforce FX has such a big cooling system. Now take a look at the ATI Radeon 9800, his Heatsink/fan is alot smaller than the GFX one, ATI's works " I think " alot more on the ship structure. Think about it, when you overclock a card you only get a 5-10 FPS more than usual.Hmmm I'm thinking about something...When the Nvidia GForce 4 TI 4600 first came out, it beated all the ATI's card, then some times later ATI released their 9700 and just after that Nvidia came out with the GFX.. How much time did they worked on the GFX?? I mean it was released not much time after the 9700 came out.. Nvidia didn't want to lose their 1st place on making the best vid card so they maked it real fast to get their place back.. And just a precision ; GFX is just a """" little """" bit more better than the 9700..Just something I want to say : Nvidia suck with their over-overclocking. The NV30 - 35 whats the difference between them?? They just overclocked the NV30 and named it NV35 ( I think ) ?!?

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

LMAO. twitch, you would not trade your 4600ti for a 9700pro? LMAO. Funny how the 9700pro beat the 4600ti in performance by almost tripling results in some tests and doubling it in all the others. Better performance. Better quality image. Faster. Better DVD playback. And now the SAME price as the 4600ti! And the Catlyst drivers not stable. LMAO. You need to stop listening to Nvidia P.R. spin and other Nvidia fanboys. Read reviews and run the card in your box. If you do, you will throw away your 4600ti. (try running Unreal2003 at 1600x1200 resoultion with fsaa+ansioscopic filtering on with your 4600ti and watch it crawl. Then again with any game at that resoultion and settings. That does not happen with a 9700pro.)Nvidia's new Detanator drivers(40 series) are far from good. Matter of fact they are terrible. They just made those brutal drivers for 3dmarks2003 improvements. Read reviews on that too.And if you call ATI cards crap. Oh god, what would you call the whole line of Nvidia cards at this moment. Absolute and complete crap? As not one Nividia card on the market in all segments can outperform ATI cards. Wehter it be high-end...mid-range, or low-end. Even the mobility area Nvidia gets spanked now. Driver issues are a past thing. When i hear people say that now, you know they are not running a ATI card in their rig. Is that the only thing Nvididiots can say now? When the whole hardware community says otherwise. And they are not 12 yearold fan-boys. Until the NV35 comes out. Nvidia has nothing to offer over ATI cards. twitch, tell me one Nvidia card out now that can outperform any ATI card for the same price/performance/stability ratio. Good luck. Try.

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

frobird, IF THE AIR BLEW INSIDE THE CASE, it would raise the tempertures to levels where your C.P.U components would melt. Not to mention the card itself. The 5800 Ultra runs too hot for that. Over 100 degrees celcius without cooling. Imagine the heat dissapation the card would cause if it blew inside the case? And then if you were running a 3d screen saver and your fan stopped? Can you say, molten lava. Your wires and plastic compnents would melt too.Hell, have you seen the 5800ultra blow air out of the dustbuster? You cannot even touch the back of your PC case where the air exhaust is. 2nd degree burns if you do. I hope the NV35 finds a better cooling solution. Damn. And when you drop to a smaller die size,(0.13 micron) YOU should be able to use less cooling! Not more! The 9700pro and the 9800pro are running on a 0.15 micron die size and use limited heat sinks and less cooling then the 5800ultra! And those cards are faster. Nvidia get it right with the NV35 and bring out the kick ass card we know you can make. No more Dirt Devil Vacuums please....

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

yes twitch, you really are quite dumb.and someone else said something like ATI is 'faster' but nvidia has better deals with the gaming market? that's nothing. the stories you're hearing about EA and such is just nvidia's marketing department trying to save their ass by generating extra cash. its a good then they're staying afloat too.but also i kinda have this little weird feeling when people say that ATI is 'faster' than nvidia. ATI is not 'faster', if you look @ clock speeds you'll see than on the FX it is 500/500, whereas the 9700pro is 325/400 (correct me if i'm wrong with those).

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

CyRaX, lol..I just got carried away. Too many 12 year olds on this chat forum to abuse. Sometimes it's too fun. lol.Have you seen the overclocking abilities of the 9600pro? Core speed is 400mhz. They over clocked it with 100% stability to 567mhz. All on stock cooling and tiny heat sinks! With passive cooling and better heat sinks they should be able to clock it to at least 600 or more I figure. And the 9500pro can overclock to 9700pro speeds, and tweak it to open up the memory interafce. So the overclocking ability for ATI cards are not bad at all. Actually quite amazing for "older" 0.15 micron technology everone, including NVIDIA said was not possible. And ATI did it, with room to spare.The 30 series of Detonator drivers are solid from Nvidia. Excellant. However, the 40 series are plain terrible. I am still running the old Detanator drivers in my Secondary PC box with my MSI4200TI. The 40 series are not stable at all. The Catlyst drivers are far better then the 40 series.As for faster. It's refering to overall performance. The core and memory clock speeds for the 5800Ultra are faster then the 9700pro and 9800pro, however in real world performance ATI cards are faster. And this is due in part because of the Architecture of the 9700pro and the 9800pro. 256BIT memory interface. 8X1 pixel pipelines.(not 4x2 like Nvidia's chipsets. Even though they lied and said it was 8x1. Performance tests tell the WHOLE story. Nice try Nvidia) Better rendering engine for Full Scene Anti-Alaising and Ansioscopic filtering.Even though the 5800Ultra uses DDR2 memory, which is almost doubled the bandwidth of ATI's DDR1 memory, that memory becomes about as useful as the balls on the Pope or tits on a Nun when the chip is paired with a 128bit memory interface. The NV35 supposedly corrects these issues and if it does, they will have one great card. We hope....

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

Here are a few numbers for ya.Mid-Low budget cards form 90% of the market.High end cards such as the ones being talked about here make up the other 10%.So, if the NV35 doesn't do that good, nVidia will still be ruling the market because they have better mid range cards.Note: nVidia stocks are higher than ATI's for a reason.

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

Slim, what mid-range cards from Nvidia are better then the mid-range cards from ATI???? The 5600Ultra? The 4200ti? The 4600ti? The 9500pro beats all those cards for the same price and in some cases lower. And it's directx9 compliant. Only the 5600Ultra is directx9 compliant. But loses to the 9500pro and the newer 9600pro also. And we won't even mention the 9700 non-pro as the price of that card has fallen to the levels of the 4200ti. Lower then the 4600ti! Now the 9700 is a mid-range card.

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

"Why didn't we have a Geforce FX 5600 Ultra for testing? Because we couldn't buy one off the shelf and secondly NVIDIA already told us that it would be beaten by the 9500 PRO.""Although NVIDIA has taken two steps forward in terms of features and functionality, they have seemingly taken a step backwards for both image quality and performance. As we score things, that would make NVIDIA's current position stagnant at best. Should the "cinematic computing era" be taking place, it is happening with ATI's product line, as we have seen first hand that the current GeForceFX product line simply cannot compete with ATI products released last year.""The Radeon 9600 Pro will come with a suggested MSRP of $199, which is in line with most cards in this mainstream segment. A more budget-oriented "vanilla" Radeon 9600 will appear with an MSRP of $149. For those that are looking for a new graphics card in these price-ranges, the choice is a no-brainer. These ATI cards have shown time and again that they currently offer the best performance and image quality available."

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

all you guys are complaining about the card taking up 2 pci slots... who cares?? do you really need that other slot? i mean come on, most newer boards have like 4,5,or 6 pci slots. what in the hell are you putting in all those slots? a sound card, ethernet maybe but most boards are coming with them but ok lets say a etherned card, a usb card but most computers have them anyways, and what else?? on a high end computer your still not gonna need 5 freckin slots~!

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

anonymous, about all the PCI slots... you put extra fans and shit in there. u know the bay-fans or what ever they are called.i got 2 of them at the moment. i know it makes it much more noisy, but i dont mind. alot of people have LOTS of USB devices. U got speakers, joysticks, wheels, mice, keyboards and external stuff (cant think of anything else).

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

Firstly, if your putting fans in them, then whats it matter? The SLot taken up is for a fan?? LOL, i have 1 PCI card in my PC, and thats for a second Network card. I have an onbaord, thats for my cable, and the second one is for my networkDRDEATH"The 40 series are not stable at all. The Catlyst drivers are far better then the 40 series."WTF? The 40 series are rock stable, and do not provide 1 bit less stability than any of the earlier drivers. I also read that there "cheat" for 3dMark2003, was not a cheat. It was correcting some code that Futermark screwed up on. There coding was all done on the R300 and so Nvidias drivers where not doing those effects correctly. When i got my 43.30 drivers and DX9, alot of the effects where working, which i never even new where there before.I know alot of people say there codinf was to enhance the tests, and offer higher scores, but it was also to increase the looks, and offer all the effects of which there cards werent doing before.I cant remember where i found this, i think it was Overclockers Australia or something - Now i gonna go dig up a link if i can

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

and since when has the 9700 been as cheap as a 4200??In AUST, these are prices for both:Leadtek 128mb GF4 Ti4200 $285 (Thats with AGP8x, DVI, TV Out etc.)Leadtek 128mb GF4 Ti4800aw(Also AGP 8x, MY VIVO, DVI etc.Sapphire 128mb 9700(non-pro) w/ TV Out, DVI $525 (Quite a bit over $400)Sapphire 128mb 9700Pro w/ TV Out, DVI $660Now those prices are way over the prices of the 4200, and there certainly not offering enough perofrmance boost, to pay that amount extra. Sapphire i am not sure of there quality, but Leadtek provides the best quality boards IMO. They are also very well priced, and Sapphire seemed the best priced, and most respected by people.I know the ATi card is more powerful, but the cards from ATi which are around $285 (within $20)Hercules 9200 Pro $305and that was the only card within that range. The Radeon 9500 cheapest card wasPowercolour 9500 $337And thats non-pro.I think Nvidia offer better priced mid-range cards, i just gave enough proof. While that may not be valid for your country, as i am positive the prices are different, but Nvidias Ti4200 is a very good performing card, and is a very cheap solution. Its by far better than a 9200 pro, which is $20 more...But im glad to see your backing the NV35 DRDEATH, usually where arguing, you not giving nvidia a chance... But i think you, like me, know that the NV35 is going to be a really good card, and that the 9900pro will be battling head-to-head with it. Which = REALLY GOOD CARDS FOR CHEAP =)LOL, after that research, i may have to pick up one of those Ti4200's for my other PC... there cheap and overclock like a bitch=)

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

Leadtek 128mb GF4 Ti4800aw(Also AGP 8x, MY VIVO, DVI etc.OMG, i need sleep, i also left its price off. Its $400, this is the card i am using, only i paid $480 for it a few months back. It was the best price/performance card IMO since i really wanted to keep Nvidia and stay below $500. All 9500/9700 cards where over that mark...

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

and for your reference, if you would like to see what cards may have been better choices for ATis behalf, i used this Australian PC site, which offers the best pricing on almost all hardware. [url removed] there is another site, cheaper by $5 or so sometimes, but with its shipping from the other side of AUST, its more in the long run... and i cant remember its URL

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

In Canada i have seen the 4200ti the same price as the 9700 non-pro. The 9700pro the same price as the 4600-4800TI. Yes prices are different from Country to country. Dude you need to move to Canada or the U.S. (-: And i have seen the 4200ti for $200-$220. And the 4600-4800ti for $260-$350.And the driver update for 3dmarks2003 was to enhance scores. Becuase those drivers do not enhance anything else. It seems all Companies pull moves like this. ATI it with Quake3 tests in 3dmarks2001. This is no different. The reason companies do this is because large OEM comapanieslike DELL and IBM, Compaq use the results of the 3dmark tests to determine which company's G.P.U's will be put in their boxes. $$$$$$$$$$$$$. And the higher score usally wins. And for the first time, Nvidia was looking from the sideline. So they "optimized" the drivers FOR 3dmarks. They don't hide the fact!"The fact that both of the manufacturers appear to be following similar design principles it could be said this isn't bias against or for one single manufacturer. The problem for NVIDIA is that they are just behind the curve a little in DX9 hardware."The only thing is this, for $20-$30 bucks more you get a card that is directx9 compliant and runs games with quality settings.(fsaa+ansioscopic filtering) The 4200ti is a great card. I have one. But for the price performance,the 9500pro is the best. At least in North America! ;)

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a universal currency. Economics is evil in respect with non equal pay for equivalent work. Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the minimal pay the same in Canada and USA?But everything costs more in canda vs USA. :(

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

Minimum wage in saskatchewan Canada is 6.65$ What is it in the U.S. And what does LMAO mean?here is some wholesale prices in canda for cards:ATI RADEON 9700PRO 128MB DDR DVI+CRT+TV VGA-POW-R9700P/128 $475.00GF4 TI4200 128M DDR 8XAGP DVI+TV+VIVO VGA-POW-TI4200VIVO $237.00GF4 TI4800 128MB DDR DVI CRT TV-OUT VGA-POW-TI4800/128 $349.00GIG ATI RAD9700 PRO 128MB DVI TV-O VGA-GIG-R9700P/128 $503.00SAPPHIRE RAD9700 128MB DDR DVI TV-O BULK VGA-SAP-R9700/128 $369.00I bought this one, and I love it, RADEON 9100 128MB DDR CRT DVI TV OUT VGA-POW-R9100/128 $147.00

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

The only reason Nvidia was able to get a higher score is becuase they are using Floating Point 16 which is not a DX9 feature, FP24 and up are compliant. Nvidia did that to reduce the image quality of games to up their score in 3d Mark 2003 which seems to me alot like a cheat. [url removed] this is a link to GFX bench marks using 32 bit floating point precision.

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

Grate Guy your right. It is cheating. Plain and simple. The same sort of cheating ATI did when they "OPTIMIZED" their drivers for increased performance for 3dmarks2001 Quake3 test for the 8500. Now Nvidia are being hypocrites saying they are not doing it also. LMAO(laughing my ass off)Nvidia call it for what it is.

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

I'm still poor, i still use a 32meg ddr radeon. I really hope that cards like the 9900pro and nv35 release within the next few months when i hope to build a new rig.As for the FP16/24 issue, it's been proven, but also remember the same sh*t that ati pulled with the 8500; it was set to diminish visual quality when running 'quake3.exe' as soon as the exe was renamed, performance went down and visual quality up. i really really HATE it when companies do that. There have been rumors of the same thing with the 9700pro, but not any real basis to them yet. anyone else hear such things?

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

To be honest, I hope this card is going to be pretty powerful because NVidia has been slipping a bit down the hill, if this card turns out to be equal to lets say a 9800pro, people will be turned off by the huge fan and size of the board, honestly, it looks bigger than those ISA 32bit cards, (you know with the black slot, and the brown one behind it)

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

That's a good point Justin, its important that nvidia makes this card pretty powerful to make up for such things that detract from the cards appeal such as huge/loud cooling method and current (40 series) unstable or misleading drivers.

NV35 at E3 Ready for May Launch

>>>Nvidia drivers are shit, my computer reboots every time I get to my desktop.<<<And that couldnt be somethign else perhaps? It may be conflicting with other drivers you f**ked up. I have never had this problem, and nobody i have ever know has, except my parents. But there problem was there network card - they have an ATi 8500, does that mean its there card? NO - It just means you should look harder for a solution.

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