nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

nVidia's newest offerings, the NV28's, carry an AGP 8X feature which will offer greater bandwidth to the card. That however, is not all that will change. Granted, a switch from AGP 4X to 8X does offer a 2 to 3 percent increase in speed, but the real news is that by using a 0.15 process nVidia have managed to squeeze more clock speed out of the new cards.

A good example of what the difference will be is the TI 4200, which in its previous form sported a 250 MHz clock but as a TI 4200-8X will carry 275 MHz of clock speed, with some manufacturers possibly aiming even higher than that. This changes the update to the NV25 from a minor upgrade to a faster, but soon to be replaced, standard such as AGP 8X, to a minor overhaul. Much like it did with the switch from Geforce 3 to Geforce 3 TI 500, nVidia chose to increase clock speed as well in order to offer a new product. This, even though the NV30 is set for a possible December 2002 debut.

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nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

Too many fan-boys...lolShould be interesting that the 4200 with agp 8x will be pretty on par in spedd terms with the 4600...So the question is this? Why buy a 4600ti card now WHEN IT only offers agp4x. Will the 4200 now cost more then the 4600 or keep the same price. If the 4200 keeps the same price tag, then it makes no sense toi buy the 4600. The performance levels will almost be the same..........

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

"The NV30 is gonna be way better than the radeon 9700!"How do you know? Do you have any secret benchmarks that only Nivida has???It very well could be... But theres no need to say:Omxg GDORoXXOS NIVVIDIaa OOWnzNS w ATI CUAAUEINGF THETANMAKEMFEFGOCE DOoDORXZWait till the card comes out THEN rant all you want.

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

Bassie, this whole video card business is great for consumers. The competion makes these high end cards within reach of most P.C. owners. As for the NV30 being way better....lol... Wait until the card is released. What are you, the Amazing Kreskin, knowing some secret bench marks that the rest of the free world has no conceivable idea about??? Too many fan-boys. Must be 12 years old. And as soon as the NV30 is released, the R350 will come out right after it. As well as 3-D LABS next generation G.P.U. Lets put it this way Bassie, the NV30 had better smoke the 9700 in performance as the 9700 did to the 4600ti. IE. the 9700 doubled many of the 4600ti bench marks when games were put in high resolutions with all the eye candy effects on. I don't see this happening between the NV30 and the 9700. The arcitechture is almost the same between the two, minus the clock speed and memory( DDR2) which the 9700 will adopt as soon as the ram is available. They have the same amount of vertex shaders and pixel shaders(which makes the most difference) And they both support directx9 and AGP8X...One difference is that the 9700 has 256 bit memory interface and the NV30 has only 128....time will tell if it is "way better"...lol

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

nVidia licks balls after what they did to 3DFX and won't even give drivers shows what kind f haters and sore loosers they are. Their customer support licks ass. ATi has gained my respect over that. maybe the NV 30 i might wanna buy but nvidia still licks ass. 3DFX OWNS!

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

I think nvidia and ati should keep their eyes on improveing on what they got so far before jumping too far into the faster and faster range. Otherwise they might end up like microsoft, releaseing a product that crashes the second you install it and is worthless for the next year or so before a proper fix comes along. Thats just my opinion and i could be wrong but it also begs the question, if it costs a small fortune to get then how long will it take for the price to drop before sales actually pick up?

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

AGP 8x ??? what, like only 5% of PC owners have a MotherBoard that has an AGP 8x slot?!? Seriously this AGP 8x is only Marketing Strategy: "Take advantage of the Uneducated public, and the frame-rate-thirsty "stupid" gamer comunity will buy". Earlier in this forum I read that some stupid kid bought a GF4 ti4200 and is using it on Counter Strike, and DS. EARTH to DUMB SHIT: Hl and Counter Strike are Ancient Obsoleete pieces of Code. Hl was made for Voodoo2 and Software rendering (for shit's sake), and for DS, you don't need anything higher than a Voodoo5 to play (i'm not bullshiting). Anywayz, For anyone that gives two shits about this: if u hav a P3 900+ and u buy a GeForce 4 ti4200 or Radeon 9000, theres no game out there or even in production that will play below 50 fps.IF u like, fine, blow u'r money on a Nv30 or Radeon9700, even though there's no game out there that'l be that demanding on u'r hardware, and when the game comes that u're gonna need a NV30 or higher to play it at over 50 fps with all the "eye-candy" at full, u're gonn realize how STUPID u were that you wasted your money on something that you didn't need yet. By then the price of NV30 will descend from the sky to a level where the people that "know what they're buying" will procure.

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

Have to agree with SomeGuy on this. No game now or upcoming soon will take advantage of the capabilities of the NV30, R300, upcoming R350, or 3-D LABS up coming video card. You will not see one game rleased this year or maybe the next that will use directx9 or 9.1............

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

2 or 3 percent increase in speed. Whoop dee doo. I cant think of anything else which wastes money worse. Who gives a shit over 2 to 3 percent speed increase and all the other minor speed improvement bullshit. If what you got isn't broke, there is no point spending shitloads of money on something thats only marginally better, and likely to be made obsolete a few months later.

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

"2 or 3 percent increase in speed. Whoop dee doo. I cant think of anything else which wastes money worse. Who gives a shit over 2 to 3 percent speed increase and all the other minor speed improvement bullshit. If what you got isn't broke, there is no point spending shitloads of money on something thats only marginally better, and likely to be made obsolete a few months later."Lol... Ok... No. Try around 2-65% percent increase in many games. I wish people would post INTELLIGENT questions/comments.Not: where can downloaed game. thx.Good: I really hope that the change to 8x AGP will maybe boost the older cards performance in new games because I might look into geting one.Get it?

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

The potential for a 65% increase in speed is there. However games have to be optimized to take advantage of the increased band-width of AGP8X. It is the future of gaming that's for sure. But at this time you will only see a 2-3 percent increase in speed over APG cards of the same caliber running at only 4x speed. Use tell me what games gives a 65% increase in speed right now using AGP8X over AGP4X....i want to know so i can buy that game or games and buy the mother board and card. LOL. And also the small increase in clock speed won't make major differences in gaming over the original flavoured card. Waste of maoney. A Nvidia ploy to attract users just in case the NV30 did not release in time for the Christmas holidays.......

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

Actually Dr.Death your best looking at the games made in the next 6 months for details on speed increases since most games barely are made to use agp4x but I have a feeling the developers of doom3 and unreal2 will take advantage of this as a possible turbo setting added into their game for those who support it. Its only speculation but it makes perfect sense considering nvidia and ati are constantly leaking their latest discoveries to game companies in exchange for better compatibility but then again you probably know that already. :)

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

Finaly a Forum where people post some intelligent comments (mainly by Anonymous & DRDEATH). Yet to me, buying a New AGP8x card is an unnecesary misuse of my money, considering that aproximately after 6 months of its release, its price will substantialy drop so the average consumer will buy it. You see, immediately after the release of a new inovation, everyone wants it and everyone is willing to pay for it, BUT, the rich are willing to pay more than everyone else, like a SHITLOAD more. Therefore in the months shortly after the release on the market, companies target those with money. When sales drop, indicating that the SHITheads willing to spend more money than average have bought the product, the price drops so that the average consumer can buy the product (and also they've got some newer, better shit comming up to sell at outrageous prices). When sales significantl drop, indicating that most of the people who are gonna buy have already bought, and the product is no longer profitable on the market, the companies release a new better product to again sell for a shitload of money. AND SO the cycle continues.

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

Sadly someguy your sorely mistaken. Sometimes companies only make hardware on a limited release which makes the product all the more expensive. Take for example some of the video cards that are not made by ati and nvidia. There are a few companies out there that make cards as powerful and maybe even greater than what ati or nvidia come up with however since they are on a limited release they are not known to the general public except on a few occasions. Most cost far more than most nvidia or ati cards cost but what sadly is true is that some are also thousands of times better than current generic products released to the general public. Thats why most hollywood cgi looks so much better than that made by most nvidia or ati users. Its done with cards far greater than what is currently out on the market. Sadly also these video cards disappear into private collections or waste disposal so you never get to see them in any on sale. Its best to get the best while its good before it vanishes and in the long run its the card itself that pays off for all that money spent. Then again anyone who has gotten a reilly good card will tell you that. :)

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

Anonymous, the cards you are refering to i think are professional workstation cards. Not consumer desk top cards. Consumer cards are for the 'general public' And the fastest consumer card out right now is the 9700. Movie companies and others use High-End WorkStation cards for real time graphics, and visuals. Then again those cards start at $1000 clams and goes sky high from there. Two different breeds of fish the consumer card market and the Professional card market. And they just don.t throw them in the trash either....lol

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

Also to add this. You will not see a directx9 or 9.1 game in the next 6 months either. The hardware capabilities for these cards will not be utilized until those cards become 'obsolete' and they release the next generation cards. Which you will see by summer.(Maybe the NV35, the R350, RV350 almost for sure....)Unless you have deep pockets it makes no sense to get the NV30 or the 9700 right now. Like i said before, when they finally utilize those cards, Nvidia and ATI and 3-D LABS will release their other cards. And the 9700 and NV30 will be cheaper!!!!

nVidia AGP 8X Cards With Faster Clocks

Yo Anonymus, mostly, those cards are made specificaly for moovie studios and because of the price, (around $3000 a piece) oftenly only by the order of the specific moovie studio. Theese cards are state-of-the-art technology that moovie/game studios need to make special fx and other stuff for moovies/ cinematics or fmvs for games. Dektop Consumer cards are another story, theese cards are made to display high-quality graphics at high speeds and at high resolutions. As Game graphics become more complex and hardware demanding new desktoop cards are released in order to keep up with progress from the software side of the industry. oh and also if u happen to get a hold of a profesional card, err, good luck adapting it to your pc. lol

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