Nvidia Catch ATI Off-Guard

Nvidia has unofficially confirmed some hardware specs of its upcoming NV40 chip and it is quite possible that the winner of the next round of the graphics war may have already been decided.
According to the company, its new chip will feature a full 16 pipelines, not the 8x2 set-up which had been expected. This change means that Nvidia's new GPU will have a staggering 205-210 million transistors and not the expected 175 million.

It seems that ATI's inexperience at this game may have gotten the best of them since they had been eager to claim that their R420 would beat Nvidia in, at least, 10 common games. These claims however, were made based on Nvidia using the predicted 175 million transistors, information which ATI had and was obviously flawed.

Recent gossip from the Intel Developer Forum did claim that Nvidia had an ace up their sleeve and it would appear that it has slipped it out. The timing of the announcement was careful so ATI could not respond with a change in hardware, even though the NV40 has slipped by a month.

This latest news adds another exciting chapter in the epic battle between the two companies and no one is foolish enough to write ATI off quite yet. The Canadian firm has so far proved that it can match its rival move for move.

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Nvidia Catch ATI Off-Guard

wow am i the first, looks like i'll be selling me kidney soon...or granny. n.videa rocks...hopefully a quiet card, no excuses this time round, the fx ultra 5800 was a screamer. and the next p***s for the pc has a lot of transisters....

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Post-wise, i was half-expecting a huge thread of childish banter and name calling from both camps on how their card stomps, or whatever the trite phrase of the day is, all over the other side's card.Guess i'll just give it time.

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Stupids dumb ass. ATI was, ATI is and ATI will be the best video procesor EVER!!! because have the intelligence of make good drivers with good result. Not to make a stupids driver with no suppor or make your monitor FLICKER, because ATI is the best. Crystal???? Fine.

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We all knew that a company of nvidias size wouldent idly wait for their market to slip to another company. They are probably giving their all to crush ATi so they wont go the way of 3d fx. They have fixed the major downfall of the previous fx, the exeedingly slow pixle shaders. I doubt that ATi will win this round but none of us want either company obliterated, competition = cheaper prices. SO DONT FLAME THROW!

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dude who give a shit a video card is a video card i been useing a wildcat 512mb card for over 4 years and stell get bater grafix than you ati and geforce are nothing but low video makersheack soon games will sayonly run on geforce or ati lolif that happends im selling my pc and going in concel game makeing othere than pc lol o and god when will some one make a f**king os that is blank thats use no memorry to load othere than a few kb call it death in windows aka game os no need fr shitty windows lolo and who ever revals there porduct first and ships it gona loss give the othere guys time to make it bater plane and simple great thating come to thoghs who what i oready got mine 10k saved for a new video card not no pice of shit geforce or ati but the world best video car the comany that makes nivida and ati tremple in fear 3DLABS lol new wildcat6 baby

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hrmm this hunter character seems to know absolutely nothing about drivers and hardware releases and possibly older events on the ati side, think about atis drivers about a year ago, they sucked, now i admit that they are much better now, il even say that the 9800xt is faster than the 5950 ultra, but its not by much, and the price premium on both cards is just ludicrious. now with the new information of 16 pixel pipes, in theory this should improve performance by 50 percent with no core/mem clock changes along with agp bandwidth, but since the card will be a faster core speed and faster memory as well as twice the processor to card bandwidth (via PCI Express 16x) we can look at possibly 2 times the performance from the nv40 from the nv35, and like murmandarmus said, competition= lower prices. quite honestly dont get into flaming fanboy remarks forums are not for the insanley stupid or ignorent, but for information that might be usefull for someone, now for example hunter you might want to take my advice and stop being a fanboy and actually try a different card every once in a while, i just get whats the best for the price at the time when i upgrade, and ati's intellegence in open gl 2.0 is not very good, nvidia has always had an advantage in opengl, but always took a slight perf decrease in dx apps, where ati was the oppositethank you and good night

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Master makes good points, however no real top title uses GL anymore its a value game option. Also with the 420 and the NV40 im sure the prices will get even more ridiculous...there is no way it even costs half to produce one of the cards, nonetheless no one is still quite aware of the R420's spec's and capabilities, personally i say until the're revealed ATI still is holding the lead.

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to lol, do you ever make sense, your constant rambling makes absolutely no sense what so ever,now this is very interesting a 4 year old wildcat card that runs games better than a high end ati or geforce, not likely, chances are that the memory is sd (if you could even get a card that old to get that much without physically changing the chips) and the interface would be pci, and if it were agp(which it wouldnt) and ddr memory you would have spent well over 1 grand on the card, and since your grammer makes you sound like some massive WT 5 year old i doubt you could afford such a card, before making stupid remarks please do some research so that you dont look like a complete asanine indiot infront of the entire internet. and also about your 0 memory os, 1 question, if it doesnt use any memory then how does it load? can someone say complete RETARDok now nubby dont ever talk againnubby

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the gaming magazine Gamestar sayd that the NV40 will be at least 6 times faster in HL2 and $ times faster in Doom 3 as the FX5950 Ultra. It has got a new feature to render units in a RTS(realtimestrategy), too. If this is real the NV 40 rocks as hell :-)and SexxMaster makes good points about the driver situation. But nVidia has got the best Linux driver. That's important, too. But maybe not for everyone.

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Sexmaster, u said " 9800xt was faster than gf5950, but not by much " I got news for u or any other nvidiot.Nvidia was so stressed out, it used 0.13micron process technology on its cards, just to catch up ATI's 0.15micron. That was big investment and meanwhile ATI was just playing with NVIDIA with optimizing its old cards even MORE! Even tho the technology was developed long time ago on both sides.What do we see on 5950, highest specs on market, 256MB of ram and loudest cooler.I use my raddy, im very happy, its stable, its fast, its good. I used Nvidia for past 4 years, loads of BS i got from em.. u say raddy drivers are shit, nvidia drivers witch optimizations to fool users. Now thease " nonofficial " news? Hey.. u guys belive in what u want, but just wait till ATI comes up with something, then brag all u want!

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i support no card maker.all i do is wait till they have their full line of new cards out and buy the best overall performing card.This year i got a 9800xt. netx year it could be an nvidia as i had last year with my 4600ti.ill just have to see who has the advantage next year - but i will be more likely to go for a card offering better fps with fsaa on at a high resolution as i find games ugly with no fsaa.at the moment i am happy with ati but that dosent mean i wont change. i see no point in supporting 1 card maker over the other. if you think about it, who are you really supporting?? some rich old dudes and a bunch of shareholders.choose performance, not brand name!

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Its never enough, is it? More news, more debates, more childish name calling and even more rants and raves about which card is better. Before posting, please remember to be considerate and unbiased. Otherwise, just shut the f**k up.

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i didn't need to hear the news about 16 pipeline to know this info... i mean, if last years tech was 8 pipeline and before that it was 4,it is mostly comon to see a 16pipeline on both manufacturers... i think the news of this 16 pipeline din't scare off ati, just made the realize ndivia are not such imbecile people as to put a 8X2 pipeline technology on a new gen. card. anyways with current technology I say both will rival once more, because nvidia does not have any more tech that forms 64pipeline adn 1gb of video ramb. they are rivals in tech, exept ati did boost the old technology for what my guess is that they boos .013 micron a lot before release. i probably will end buying a 9800XT that probably will cut down prices almost half anyway...

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Reply to below about 'lol'...He's a f**king kid. Dumb little shit try hard who should research his shit before talking down nvidea and ati. Yes wildcats are awesome cards, but their hardware is pure openGL, made for 3d apps like maya, 3ds max and softimage. Yes these cards have shitloads of ram, but it is setup completely differently to the nvidea and ati cards memory management. Lastly, these wildcat cards cost many thousands of dollars, if 'lol' could afford one, he would atleast be litterate.Ignore the dumbshit, wildcats couldn't play games if their silicon depended on it.

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Apart from a few of you, it'd been good so far to see people keeping their cool, all I can say, is that I have both nvidia cards and ati cards, more nvidia than ati actually, but i still strongly believe in ati. it just isnt any use ranting about these cards any more, instead of whining, how about the lot of you that are go out and search for info about these myriad new cards. if your too redundant to even doa search, than happily contemplate your thoughts before touching that keyboard. both manufacturers are doing an excellent job, I'd prefer to play the latest games with a slightly downgraded visual quality and better pereformance because of hax in the drivers than play some old atari game. It's acceptable at best, keep up the good behaviour guys :)Good luck to both parties on this. the introduction of pci-x will be a big turning point, if nvidia makes a superior card, but bungles the pci-x up, than ati may steal the lead yet again. or vice versa, although ati has been working successfully with pci-x for 2 years now....

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*note* The Wildcat series of cards are pure opengl, but do have rudamentary d3d support, which is only accessible through emulated environments such as wineX or LimeX. the main reason they have so much memory is because of programs like 3dsmax, but mainly to deal with the anti-alaising and high amounts of vertices, i've worked with these cards a lot before, and their still excellent performers for graphics work.

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technology is going to fast. i upgraded recently. what games are worth playing now? deus ex2, halo, UT2k3, UT2k4, need for speed underground, doom3, half life 2, far cry, what else? i need help on finding some good titles. i mean, i didn't build this new comp so i can play ~5 dinky games and be left behind in the next major shift in computer performance standard.please list some games worth playing, new ones, that make use of directX 9.

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All of the games you listed are good games! And don't forget Call of Duty and especially Star Wars-Knights of the Old Republic. There are many more good ones on the way. Thief 3, Battlefield Vietnam and Medal of Honor-Pacific Assault come to mind. But there are some kick-ass older games you may want to consider. Freespace 2, Dungeon Siege, Crimson Skies, oh, and don't forget Descent 3. If you've never played Descent 3 you have missed one hell of a good looking game. And if your rig is hot enough to run Halo and Deus-ex2, you should be able to run Descent 3 in 1600x1200x32 with no problem! And it will be worth your time. I know that you asked for new games, but new doesn't always mean good. Many games from 2-3 years ago look drop dead gorgeous on new machines. And they flow man, they freakin' flow like buttah. And if you've never played 'em, they're new to you, right?

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OK. so nvidia are gonna have this killer gpu. wippee do da day. they have taken their time. think about it. how long have they been in the business compared to ATI? and now they are saying that the nv40 is gonna put ATI in the dust. think about it, surely with their experience they should be far in front but they are not. in fact they are still coughing up the dust left by the 9600pro and the 9800pro. and now the xt versions have come out promising excellent performance. as you can tell im an ATI fan. i think an ATI 9600 and P4 are the best combo for the lesser man. no-one can afford the only decent amd cpu. i bet it gets so hot that you could cook your breakfast on it in the morning. anyway i think nvidia should pull up their sox and work for a change.DATSUNS rule.

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"o-one can afford the only decent amd cpu. i bet it gets so hot that you could cook your breakfast on it in the morning."lol, get ur facts straight. is it the fx or the p4 that looses 108 watt ?amd is cooler, faster and cheaper. period.

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What gets me mad is ATI fanboys is full of shit, because ATI had best cards for only 2 years and they think ATI is KING of the market. Well this round ATI will lose, and when they lose all you ATI fan boys would look like assholes just like ATI. BTW for those of you who dont know, if you overclock a FX5950 it will be faster than a 9800XT, afterall a 9800XT is only a overclocked 9800pro.

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well u n00b, and if u overclock the 9800xt it is again faster than the overclocked fx5950. btw ur talkin bout dx7-8, in no way no matter how much u oc it, will the fx be better than the 9800xt in dx9.so shut the f**k up nvidiot. sooner or later even u'll have to admit ati 0wns nvidia.

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This is exactly what i'm talking about, ATI fan boys who dont know SHIT!, the 9800XT is an overclocked 9800pro. Over clock the 9800XT anymore and you will fry the card. If you overclock a FX5950 it will be faster than the 9800XT, and the FX5950 is not an overclocked 5900! Nvidia is not like ATI, who just keep overclocking the same GPU. Again i will say, ATI only have the best cards for 2 years, that does not make them KING! You ATI fanboys is really full of shit, get your f**king facts right!

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just because u fag fried ur 9800xt coz ur 2 dumb 4 oc'ing doesnt mean nvidia is better. if u overclock a fx5950 u still got a piece of shit with no performance. again : GET UR FACTS STRAIGHT NVIDIOTS ! u fanboys r really a pain in the ass

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ebudua:thanx, i haven't played Descent3, but i think will.trooperX:i bought an AMD xp barton 2500+(1800mhz) ($125 canadian), i've overclocked it to 3200+(2200mhz) with stock cooling on my Asus A7N8X-E deluxe nforce board. thats a 400mhz increase. u might call me crazy for using stock cooling, but hey, i've had this setup for over 4weeks leaving it on over night at times, and it is stable. goes around 55 degrees max temp (max operation temp is 85 degrees), motherboard goes 24 degrees max temp. i'm using Asus probe to keep track of the temps, ill probably have to underclock it when it's summer.

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This is much like a race, and i don´t think Ati or nvidia wants to lose. Ati isn´t as old as nvidia, but if im not mistaken the same happened in when the top cards were 3dfx-nvidia, so its time to see what will happend. Hope the better wins.

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Well behold my TNT 2 model 64, to be overclocked like no GPU has been overclocked before!!!! from a mear 125 /142 to an awsome 175/175, yes that is a 40% oc on the core!!!!, I can play pretty much everything smoothly on low graphics exept for the games that wont even let me boot them :D, Note that this is the card that took down 3d fx with it's super image quality and speed and state of the art Direct x 6 support!!!!!, GO AND AND BUY ONE TODAY!!

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