NVidia Fights Back with NV38

While some details of ATI's R360 and RV360, the speed bumped versions of the R350 and RV350, have surfaced there was no information on NVidia having any similar plans. That is, until the mysterious NV38 appeared. It suddenly makes sense that the company couldn't sit idly by while ATI reclaim their speed crown with nothing other than revised versions of the Radeon 9800 and 9600. So NVidia moved fast and plans to launch the NV38, a revised NV35, in September with boards using the core expected in stores by October 2003. It may be slightly embarassing to release a revised version of the NV35 just a quarter after its release but the graphics war is heating up again.

The fact that NVidia will be releasing a new chip does indicate, strongly, that they do believe that ATI's R360 will be faster than the NV35. In order to face that threat NVidia will release the NV38 in a simple and Ultra version and plan to tweak the NV35 in order to obtain higher core and memory frequencies. Some suggestions claim that the memory-clock may be as high as 1GHz for 256-bit memory bus, whereas the core-clock may reach 500 to 550MHz.

Considering the short time slot available to NVidia before they announce the NV40, expected in November 2003, it is very likely that the NV36 and NV38 will be announced sooner rather than later and will become available very quickly.

It is safer to view these tweaked versions of cards as something to keep us busy until the next big thing comes along and it is apt that details of such a product emerged today, international foreplay day.

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NVidia Fights Back with NV38

You're so stupid the 9800 pro has been out long yes, but it was still cheaper than the NV30, when that came out. Both of these cards came out around the same time. So if you are saying that Nvidia cards are not more expensive than ATI your a f**king idiot. Nvidia now produces fabrication at IBM which isn't cheap for them, so obviously it won't be for us. One more thing ATI's image quality is very apparent when fsaa and af are turned up.

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

There are too many people in here that are trying to be doctor death. I own both a 5900 ultra and a 9800pro. I cannot tell the difference between the two accept for fsaa, I notice a bit of jaggies on the 5900 ultra even with fsaa turned up. Water in game look more real when running ATI.

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

R360 will destroy the NV35, the NV38 will be par with the R360, the NV40 will destory the R360, the R420 will kill the NV40 etc.Just go with image quality and best price. Go ATI!Note: There have been rumors of a R380!

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

SScrew is a person after my own heart :)I have an AMD/ATI system as a spare and my main PC is a P4 & TI4600 128MB, I have no favourite other than the speed of my main PC. If any of you guys sat in front of both the pc,s and played UT2003 frame limited to 80FPS, I bet none of you could bet your life that one was amd/ati and the other was intel/nvidia :)Getting back to the NV38, WOW another really expensive really fast GFX card!! This shit is getting really old from both companies, they BOTH make good hardware (although I find the driver settings for ATI to be quite tweeky and horrible) My next card is going to be a Saphire Radeon 9800 PRO 256MB mainly on the price point £377, the high end nVidia cards are well expensive, and the performance difference will be un-noticeable in games.These companies are going to have to get a bitmore creative than working on faster cards, we all want inovative technology not just faster clock speeds, and I hope that game developers are taking notice too! I want more games to take advantage of my harware - not just increasing poly counts

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

Do any of you guys here realise that this part of our industry is nothing different from the car industry (look at F1 racing) or the HiFi/Home Cinema industry (hehe Tag Mclaren hifi just went down the tubes 3dFX style!) I work with 2 BMW fanboys, you should listen to how stupid they sound! Sorry to anyone here that owns a BMW, but most of the guys I know who drive BMW's are usualy extremely opinionated against all others and are a bit naieve (?) too. I can see the same sort of mentality all over these formus every day, and some of the stupidity shown makes me really annoyed! Its only recently that a few people have started to talk sense, and to those people, thanks!

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LOL DM ta.. ;)ANyways. You people all saying ATis image quality is far superior, are doing what most of you accuse the nvidia boys of doing, listening to others. Sure, they might be better, but what methods do you need to goto too see the differnces.[url removed] favor the ATis quality, but they use an excellent way of comparing them. The only thing they have over them, is ridding of a few

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

Actually, in this one, Nvidia has the upperhand on image quality imo. It alot nice image quality, and neither have any real jaggies.[url removed] site, but click on the nature comparison on the left. I dont bottom right, here is a link directly.[url removed] plane ones a given, but this has Nvidia in the lead from my opinion. Either way, in there respective areas, Nvidia and ATi can both come out ahead. Dunno, you be the judge of that, i stared at different sections for a few seconds and in all cases, the Nvidias image looked nicer, and no jaggies where visible as such, no more than ATi anyways. Anyways, i came here for a no-cd patch for toca race driver lol :P

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

Let's play it your way then, insult first, then apologize. I own an M5 and an M5, f**k you for saying all these shit about the cars. WTF does the car's brand got to do with the owner?PS: Sorry to anyone called DMPS 2: Didn't mean to say sorry. You've earned the f**k you, you idiot.

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

the bottom line is this, Nvidia release a dud card, which means they are a bunch of dumb mother f**kers. ATI's R360 will take care of the NV35. There has been rumors of a R380. Anyway the R420 will kill the NV40.R420 specs.11 nmDDR 3 or DRR2 512 bit memory controllers.full 16 pixel pipeline, 4 TMU's.8 parallel geometry engines.800mhz core, 1.8-2gig memory speed.pci express support.Vertex, pixel shaders 3.0+Highly sophisticated FSAA and AF.196 bit floating point color all through pipelines.

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

sscrew - i liked your comment about people claiming to see the difference between 60fps and 100fps aswell. it is so true. one for people to think on, what framerate is a movie at the cinemas ? unless you are trying to look for it do you notice much stuttering ?lets see what people think shall we ?

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

>>>>sscrew - i liked your comment about people claiming to see the difference between 60fps and 100fps aswell. it is so true. one for people to think on, what framerate is a movie at the cinemas ? unless you are trying to look for it do you notice much stuttering ?>>the bottom line is this, Nvidia release a dud card, which means they are a bunch of dumb mother f**kers. ATI's R360 will take care of the NV35. There has been rumors of a R380. Anyway the R420 will kill the NV40<<<<BR>LMFAO, for a dud card, its not doing to bad is it? I mean its rivalling the 9800pro, and its coming ahead in tests, its on par in every respect, give or take a bit infront or behind on some tests. Fact is, this card Just as good as the 9800pro. It may lack in some areas, but it excels in others. You being a d**khead calling it a dud, might aswell say that to this day, every card is a Dud, as its the equal best card at this moment.

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Sorry, the last post got muddled up, i have the two quotes in a row, but the middle writing didnt show :@>>>sscrew - i liked your comment about people claiming to see the difference between 60fps and 100fps aswell. it is so true. one for people to think on, what framerate is a movie at the cinemas ? unless you are trying to look for it do you notice much stuttering ?

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

>>>SSCREW get the f**k out of this chatroom, stop trying to be Doctor Death. The 9800pro defeats the NV30 is every aspect, everyone knows this. <<<<BR>LOL, why dont you get the f**k out. Clearly, you know f**k all about this conversation you dumbass. For a start, the cards at hang, are not the NV30, and 9800pro. THe topic is actually based on the NV38, and the R420. And when i have defended older cards, it was always the NV35 i was using.Now my advice:Read what the topic is aboutGet a f**ken brainUse that brain before postingHave an open mind about what other people say Coming in arguing over shit, and not listening to anything being said on the topic. Its a sure way to lose all your conversations.

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

Btw ta anonymous, for taking my back against that nob LOL. I doubt anyone can see whatever his/her point was, when he was so clearly behind times :PAnd i think what that other person meant, by in such high demand, was just for there high end market. Beeing the cards been out for awhile, and is the same in power as the NX35, its going to sell well with the lower tag. But yeah, its not going to make or break a company, they are a very minor market of what there aiming to sell. The moneys in hte cards everyday people can afford, there middle end, performace/budget cards. Nvidias best line would probably be its ti4200 along side the FX5600.

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

SSCREW must be a new chick, who the f**k are you trying to tell everyone not to get off topic. I love this war between ATI and nvidia. I have a 9800pro, and its a damn fine card. If nvidia wants my money they'll have to make a card thats at least 1-2 times as fast than ATI latest. The 5900ultra is a revised NV30 what a joke only 5-10% percent faster sometimes.

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

The markey share is based on low budget cards. Such as the 5200 Ultra which is quite a crappy card. But to the unknowing it seems to be a GREAT card. This is what is keeping Nvidia ahead in market share right now. As the high-end and mid-range cards are in favour of ATI. And this includes sales. But the budget cards are the ones that make the company money. And for any hard-core gamer should stay away from these cards. The 5200 Ultra supports dx9 features at a low cost. That's the selling point. What a sham. Problem is the card won't be able to run games that are dx9 even remotely decent. And it won't be able to run modern games with fsaa and aa on at playable frame rates. Look at the game tests. The unknowing just see the fx name. Ultra name and assume like the MX line of cards Nvidia was shoveling that it's super fast. Oh how wrong they are. Just need to look at all the reviews on the card to see. The 4200ti kills it in almost all tests. The 9000PRO does the same. Except when Fsaa and AA is used. But like i said, all these cards run games with those features poorly. So what's the point. As for the 9800pro. It is selling much better then the 5900 Ultra because it's over $100 cheaper and giving the same performance.2 cards to avoid.1. The 5900Ultra. Too expensive. $500+2. The 9800pro 256meg version.$499.99. Too expensive and gives no noticible benefits over the 128meg version which costs from $350-$399.

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

>>>SSCREW must be a new chick, who the f**k are you trying to tell everyone not to get off topic. I love this war between ATI and nvidia. I have a 9800pro, and its a damn fine card. If nvidia wants my money they'll have to make a card thats at least 1-2 times as fast than ATI latest. The 5900ultra is a revised NV30 what a joke only 5-10% percent faster sometimes. <<<<BR>Right you moron. I love the competition between the too, only a fool wouldnt be. FOr the consumer, it means prices lower, and faster cards are released. But its stupid to buy a new card at its release, it will be 20% cheaper 3months later. And i never said anything about keeping on topic. But that f**k, probably you, i dunno, was saying shit that im comparing the NV30. And its more than a revised NV30, there where alot of changes made. For that matter, the 9800pro is a revised 9700pro, so the same shit applies.

NVidia Fights Back with NV38

Oh, and 1-2x faster? WHat that? 1x is the exact same speed, 2x is twice as quick, thats f**ken impossible, no card is double the speed of its predecessor cards. THey work up gradually, and rarely experience an increase of that, if they do, its usually some technique that will cost alot anyways.

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