NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

It appears that NVidia have finalized the details and are about to launch their latest two chips in San Francisco this Wednesday. The NV38 and NV36, the call names of the two new models will, from now on, be known as the Geforce FX 5950 Ultra and the Geforce FX 5700, respectively.

The introduction of both of these boards aims to complete the NVidia range of high and mid end graphics cards.

The Geforce FX 5950 Ultra will feature 475MHz for the GPU and 950MHz memory, while GeForce FX 5700's GPU will speed by at 475MHz with 900MHz for memory, and a 128 bit interface. The 5950 is expected to be much faster than the current range of 5900's, although any imporovements will probably become more obvious after the Detonator 50x drivers launch, a beta version of which you can find in the Megagames software section.

Boards based on the chips should reach retail by October 26th.

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NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

go to Andantech.com for the results of the 5950 vs. the 9800xt and 9800pro. They got a card. And the 9800xt beats it in most tests. And that site is pro Nvidia also. What did you expect? It's the same exact core as the 5900Ultra. Only faster clock speeds. Which DO NOTHING FOR SHADER SPEED. Which means PS2.0 AND DX9 GAMES. The weakness of the whole fx line. Nvidia will have to totally relay on driver specific optimizations that in most cases as seen before, cause major loss in IQ.

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

What potential? DX9 games? That's what all these cards are targeted for. Shader strength? That's the immediate future for gaming. Guess what? It's been a year now that the fx line of chips have come out. And we saw different dx9 tests and games. And shader test programs. 3dMarks 2003. ShaderMarks. Chameleon Marks(Nvidia's OWN shader performance test) AquaMarks. The results? All the same across the board. The FX chips run slower in ALL shader effects. PS2.0 especially which is a dx9 feature. Now that some games are out that use some dx9 features(TombRaider, Halo, HL2 beta) The results are also the same. DX9 games run slower on FX cards. These new Beta drivers for Nvidia hopefully will even the pace with dx9 games, but until they are FULLY tested not to have IQ issues like det drivers of the recent past, Nvidia is still in the same place. Poor DX9 perfromance."none of the games could utilize the cards potential so stfu"If the fx cards cannot run DX9 games properly now, what do you think when games come out in the new year that incorporate even more ps2.0 shaders? If it can't run them now, it won't run them when there more complex. Simple math. It's a hardware issue. No driver optimizations will cure this. Minus at the expense of IQ.POINT: Same 4x2 pixel shader.POINT: Same 3 Vertex shaders.= same shader results. Poor

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

Hey at least nVidia has alot smoother release for their cards. ATI launched the 9800 and 9600 XT and they are barely and slowly showing up in retail and online stores 3 days ago. nVidia on the other hand are launching them this week with an imidiate official released the following week. im still nuetral on the cards GPU makers because Doom 3 is already known to run better on GFX cards because its OpenGL and even carrmack said he would add optimizations for nVidia cards. although with the news 52.xx drivers seem to add about 10 FPS to HL2 and i was able to run the beta of THAT game on my GeForce FX 5200 with very minor slow downs with the 45.xx drivers so im sure a 5950 and 5900 with the 52.xx drivers will run HL2 (when ever it will be out) exeptionally well even if it isn't as fast as ATI on HL2. still nVidia will run Doom 3 great.

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

i recently had a ati radeon 9600 pro 256mb and it ran great! but i couldint max out ut2003! so i got the msi nvidia geforce 4 ti 4800se and all my games run better! I was a ati fan but nvidia provides better hardware, software, drivers and nvidias stability in its products is the greatest! atis drivers and hardware is s*#t and nvidia is tthe only choice for pc gaming. i will soon get the geforce fx 5950 ultra and say f*#k ATI they had their run and now die!

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

(SCREAMS). god dammit some ppl still say that 9800xt beats the new 5950 in tests....which i think there is no site 4......y the f**k r nvidia releasing new detonator drivers when it's gona have only a slight effect on the f**kin shader.....i have seen the ati graphics & they are something else my pal is getting a radeon 9800pro in a few days & he's gona tell me how gd it is.....i just wish nvidia got there stuff sorted cause they are a gd family...they did beat ati in many of the gforce chips

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

to all ati lovers, ati has been on nvidias coketails for years. everyone that loves ati says nvidia is dieing. but thats far from the truth! nvidias product range is imence, their software and drivers are the best, and their funds is unlimited. their new card will be the best and ati users can cry like the b*%ches they are hail nvidia and ati can suck my big d*^k

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

long live nvidia ,long live nvidia they will emerge vicrorias ati can feel the heat...lol get it...they can feel the heat......em....cause of the rumour that they overheat.....lol....they will feel the heat they will be feeling the damn heat now get it..........well.....anyway hailt nvida

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

"Hey at least nVidia has alot smoother release for their cards"Really? So the 5800Ultra had a smoother release? Get real. Months of delays. months of issues. Months of availability lies. Just go to theinquirer.net to find that out. The 5900Ultra was released on time because they had too. They had no choice. The 9700pro, 9500pro, 9800, were released on time when announced.And you know why Doom3 runs faster on fx cards. You need to read Carmacks recent statment on that. Doom3 is coded on a different path then ATI's path. Nvidia's path runs lower floating point precision. Ati runs it at higher quality settings. So you want to purchase a $500 card that runs games in lower IQ? Go ahead. ATI is running doom3 in the default mode while Nvidia needs to run it in fragmented lower precision.And for people still saying ati drivers are shit need to finally wake up and stop being a fanboy. The only drivers at this time causing major issues are the DET drivers. Drivers that lower IQ to increase speed. The whole 40 series are brutal. Don't hearing you fanboys mentioning this. We will see if the 50 series are any good. Get that fx card and watch dx9 games play poorly. And calling Nvidia's hardware better is a joke. Why? Because they cannot even beat ATI's latest or mid-range products. And for the high-end ATI is running on 0.15 die size! And beats Nvidia on 0.13! That's real sad. Nvidia cards run at faster clock speeds but run games slower overall and cost more too boot! Open your eyes.[url removed] that's the link for the anonymous dummy.

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

bmx you loser. Put a 9800pro in that same config as seen on the web when doing reviews and watch how the 9800pro destroys the 5900ultra in all dx9 games and tests. With better IQ. And whats more, the 9800pro costs $150 less now! Go look at the reviews pal. It does not matter what the cpu config is ytou dumbass. It is the gpu. The r3xx cards run all dx9 functions better. Just need to see all the test reviews to see. Unless you don't want to see. Go to Gamersdepot, techreport, hardocp, tomshardware, beyond3d in their review archives and compare the 9800pro vs. the 5900ultra or 5900 non-ultra in dx9 games and dx9 tests. The results are all the same across the board from all websites. SLOW SHADER PERFORMANCE FROM FX CARDS ALL AROUND. For Nvidia to even come close they have to relay heavily on driver specific optimizations that have been lowering IQ. ATI runs those games in the default path...FASTER!

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

LMFAO. "nvidia the way its ment to be played"Nvidia PAYS to have that on a developers box you idiot. You ARE really 12 years old. TombRaider has that on the box also you idiot. What card runs that game better? LMAO. And it's not Nvidia. Go look at the results. That means squat dumbass as seen of late. It's called marketing. And when you finish grade school you might know this. Idiot. Unreal 2003 has that on the box also. Guess what card runs unreal faster? LMAO. And ATI cards DO NOT HAVE TO FORCE USERS TO USE BILINEAR FILTERING FOR THAT GAME! Try enabling TRILINEAR filtering Nvidia users for Unreal 2003. You can't. That's the "way it's meant to be played.." Ya right. LMFAOAnd what excuses? It's Nvidia that has used excuses for over one year now. And you blind fanboysIE: DX9 perofmance will get better with the DET 40 drivers. Wait and see. Nothing. "The DET 51.75 are the best drivers we ever made." Remember that statement released by Nvidia? 51.75 were scrapped because of all the Image lower issues.

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

bullshit bmx. You lie. I had a 4600ti and overclocked it. The 4800 is nothing more then that minus the agp8x feature that gives the card only 2-4% increase in speed. When i bought my 9700pro it smoked the 4600. How? I could run all my games with FSAA and AA enabled. Could not do that with my old 4600. Look at ALL THE REVIEWS ON THE COMPARISON ON THE 9700PRO VS. THE 4600 0R THE 4800. The 9700pro smokes it when resolutions are put up high WITH quality settings on.(fsaa+aa) That's because the 9700pro has LARGER bandwidth from the memory interface. 256 vs. 128. And that's not even comparing the 4800 to the 9800pro. Even the 9500pro beats the 4800 at high resolutions with quality settings on. Try running unreal 2003 at 1600x1200 with fsaa+aa enabled at sampled rate. Good luck and watch it crawl. And don't come back and lie and say it runs fine. I will provide links to show it won't run fine at that resolution with a 4600 or 4800.

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

anonymous: just got done playing ut2003 for a minute there and trilinear filtering was enable, in vcard settings anastrophic filtering at highest,anti antalising was at 8x/highest, and res was 1280/1024 game ran perfect. w./ ati radeon 9600 pro 256mb, 1024/768 all extra options off/normal, no filtering what so ever and no aa, then the game ran fine i even had catalyst 3.8 suiteshut up nvidia is betteryou go back to school you dumb f**k!on another note if you gave me your wereabouts i would kick the shit out of you

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

So BMX you are saying the 4800 outperforms the 9600pro 256 meg card by double? Ok pal. Now we ALL KNOW YOUR LYING. I just finsihed looking at the review on the regular 128 meg version of the 9600pro at Hardocp.com and at tomshardware AND at techreport.com.The 4800 does not EVEN COME CLOSE TO THE 9600PRO when you push resolutions up like anonymous has said. Soon as you enable full scene anti alaising, the 4800 performance just dies. Not for the 9600pro cards. If you are going to lie bmx at least make it believable. The 4800 just does not have the bandwidth or shader engine to do what you are saying.

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

Oh BMX you just lied and been caught. Look at ALL the web reports on Unreal 2003 and trilinear filtering. Nvidia uses a hybrid bilinear filtering even when you force it to run trilinear. It does not perform that function. and maxing out anti-alaisng at that resolution on the 4800 will make it crawl so you are lying. All people have to do is go look at the results at any website. Card does not have the bandwidth to run fsaa+aa at the max. Tomshardware, hardocp.com techreport SHOW THIS in its results.

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

everyone calls me a lyer.thats bullshit!i ordered a sapphire ati radeon 9600 pro 256mb and it was crap on my ut2003 i tried everything to get it running perfect on my system. i got tired of it and traded it at my local computer store for the msi geforce 4 ti 4800 se (ripping my self off i might add) and my ut2003 works at maxed out settings. hell all of my games work at maxed out settings! max payne, soldier of fortune 2 gold, quake 3, gtavc, gta3, mafia, midnight club 2 serious sam, postal 2, alice, kiss, c&c generals, duke nuken mp, and all of my emulators!!!dont call me a lyer when the 2 video cards i mention are $200.00 and belowMy System Specs Below:amd athlon xp 3200+2gb pc3200 ddr ram120 gb 8m 7200rpm hdasus nforce 2 5.1 digital soundliquid cooled and alot of fandram has fans and heatsinksgpu is overclocked to memory clock is 685 core clock is 330

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

BMX you just named all "old" games. Try running MaxPayne2 at 1600x1200 with aa enabled. Good luck. It will crawl. I can with my 9700pro. Try running Halo at 1600x1200 with aa enabled. Good luck. It will crawl. Try running tombraider at the same rsoltuion. Try running splinter cell at 1600x1200 at max settings and compare the performance to the 9600pro or the 9700pro. You just trader for a card that cannot run dx9 games! It's a dx8 compliant card so your screwed when these games start coming out. Which they are now. Now if you tell us that those games run at great frame rates then we know your full of shit.[url removed] is where real gaming benchmarks are important as the ATI 9600 PRO dominates when the "eye candy" is activated. It almost always doubles the performance of the old Ti-4800!"[url removed] soon as you put quality settings on. "eye candy" the gforce4 chips(4800se) gets destroyed. And you have NO dx9 features for games like Halo, HL2, MaxPayne2, Duesx2 and MANY more games coming out.

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

BMX why would you buy a dx8 card when games are going to be dx9 soon? Then again if you stick with nvidia's dx9 cards they perform crappy as seen. You traded for a card that runs games slower with nice iq on and will not run future games. You got rivered.

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

fubar:first of all i have a 17" mitsubishi flat crt so i cant play those game at 1600/1200 anyway andmaxpayne 2 runs fine at 1280/1024 which is my monitors highest rezsecond of all i am getting the geforce fx 5950 as soon as it hits my hometown of philly then i'll buy a 19" or 21" flat crt then i can run my games at rezez i have never seen and run them better than your radeon 9700 pro

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

sam:your right i buy a new card about every 6 months to a yearnvidia cards are always on my list of new cards to buy, ati made it on my list once, it failed, now nvidia is the only brand and card i trust wy dont you try a nvidia card. i was going to get the msi geforce fx 5900 ultra w./ dual fans and 256mb vram buy after hearing the realese of the geforce fx 5950 ill wait a few monthsso wy dont you buy it,try it, and enjoy the fruits nvidia provides like a man!

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

Of course the 5950 will run games at higher resolutions then my 9700pro! It's 2 generations ahead of it. But guess what? It won't run dx9 games faster unless Nvidia uses application specific optimzations! Which we have seen the results of those! I like my IQ not altered. And that includes TRILINEAR filtering in my games. A basic feature Nvidia does not let you do in Unreal 2003. Pick it. And it does not run it even though it says it does. Look at the reviews of the 5950 at anadtech. With dx9 games it runs on par as the 9700pro! Or slower! And i love my 9700pro. I got it when it first came out. And still running strong.If people are expecting to see GREAT performance increases for the 5950 over the 5900 better take some drugs. It does not. The same thing for the 9800xt and the 9800pro. Why? Because all these refresh cards have the same core engine! Just faster clock speeds which do little for shader performance. And this is why the 5950 will perform the same in dx9 games as the 5900ultra. Slower then R3xx cards. 4X2 pipeline. 3 vertex shaders. The 5950 did not change that. The R3xx cards have 8x1 pipelines and 4 vertex shaders.

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

Bit disappointed with the current state of the FX cards.Its seems almost no difference in terms of performance when compared with the Ti cards.but still have to see how well these new 5.x drivers will run.There might be some potential unlocked from the FX (aka Goku going super sayjin), bit far fetched tho.

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

BMX i don't want to gamble on a $500+ card to find out that it runs dx9 games poorly. And right now the whole FX line runs dx9 games poorly. All of them. I have read all the reivews...The 5900, 5800, 5600, 5200. And the 5950 is the same exact card as the 5900ultra just clocked higher. Same core. Same shader engine. Same pixel pipelines. Same vertex pipelines. Before you buy, look around. Because Nvidia is relying too heavily that game developers will use Nvidia's optimal coded path for it's cards.(which takes developers twice as long to program for as proven of late) And as seen so far, Developers are NOT doing this. Remeber 3dfx? Glide? Delevopers are coding dx9 games to the standard microsoft designated dx9 path. Which they should. ATI hardware run those games properly on the default paths! Nvidia cards cannot run it properly that way. They have to lower floating point precision to FP12, or FP16 when the STANDARD specification of dx9 applications are FP24! Nvidia has been running those dx9 games at those lower precisions in order to increase speed. But that effects IQ in a big way. Go to gamersdepot.com or Techreport.com on this. For $500+ no way.Cg graphic coding has proved to be over-hyped feature. When coded using Cg. Games run ALMOST the same as dx9 games on ATI dx9 hardware. Don't believe me BMX. Find out for yourself. You seem smart. So go investigate. I did. And what i have seen is POOR dx9 performance for all FX cards running on that arhiticture. Great dx8 perofrmance. But the future are shader games. The one area proven to be the fx chips achilles heel.

NVidia Ready for NV 38, 36 Launch

BMX since your a fan of Nvidia which makes no sense to me at this time. I buy the product that offers the best performance for the money regardless of the company. To do otherwise is foolish. BMX, you should wait for the NV40 if your Nvidia loyal. The 5950 will dissappoint many looking for shader performance and directx 9 increases. It won't. Sam is right.

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