RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

ATI have slowly begun releasing benchmarking tests aiming to show that the RADEON 9700 PRO is the true nVidia slayer. Apparently nVidia will not stand idly by while ATI show supremacy and have released their own results of the NV30 trashing the Radeon 9700.

The first of ATI's results to hit the hardware world pit ATI's new baby against the fastest, currently available, of its rivals the GeForce 4 TI 4600 300/650. A summary table of those results can be found by following the screenshots tab above.

As you would expect from benchmarks released by ATI, the card formerly known as R300 makes a true killing, easily coming out top in most tests.
These results of course do not come as a surprise to anyone whoa has at least a basic knowledge of what is under the hood of the RADEON 9700 PRO.
The clocks in at 325 MHz for the graphics processor, and 620MHz for the 256 bit wide bus memory. This means the card can transfer about 20 GB/second from memory to the VPU, ATI's version of the GPU.

The card is comes with one DVI, one CRT and TV out ports and sports 128 MB of BGA (ball grid array) memory.

nVidia reply, apparently was the leaking of test results comparing the NV30 to the RADEON 9700 PRO. Thos results were first seen on the PCPOP web site, which however, does not support English readers. The reliability of those results comes into question when considering that there is no easy way to figure out on what kind of system the cards were setup. As we all know benchmark result manipulation is the favorite pass time of most harware manufacturers.

Even if the results are reliable their significance is also questionable considering they are comparing a card to be released in September to a chip which hasn't yet received an official release date. According to new information however, the NV30 is expected in early December, just in time for the holiday season.

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RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

Hah my asus 8460 (g4 4600) gets in 3dmark2k1 12851 points (not overclocked only the newest beta drivers and so on). I have used ati cards they are good but drivers suck. If you want stability get nvidia cards (but they cost alot) if you want performance for low price get ati cards. Thats my opinion.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

Dude is right. While the cards themselves are very well designed and such, the drivers just plain suck. Although the 9700 drivers are completely new and based on directx 9, i have had nothing but problems with ATI in the past. Long live nvidia and there stable and performance increasing drivers.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

When i bought my first, second, and third ati's(i dont know why i bought a second and third to tell you the truth), i had nothing but problems first i want to say that technical support is the worst ive ever seen. 2nd, the drivers are seem like they just change the numbers on that date and version when they do update. 3rd they all only lasted less than 6 monthes, first the fan quit, then i tried to fix it but said screw it and waited till it fried up.My advice dont buy an ati!

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

I had nothing but problems with My GeForce 2. It tool 30 seconds for the damn thing to change screen resolutions. My other computer(a Pentium II 266 w/ a Radeon LE) performed just as well as my T-Bird 1.2 w/ a GF2. I bought my All-in-wonder Radeon 8500dv a week later and all my headaches were gone. I knew ATI had in the past had driver problems, but so far I have yet to encounter any. The 9700 should be no different, or at least better. My advice, don't buy a nVidia Card.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

I like ATI and Nvidia equally, I see atlot of them at work, and they have been reliable, but I own a GF4 TI4400 as it was the best value for the power. Of course the new ATI is going to be better, its new, but Nvidia will release a more powerful one, then ATI will do the same, again and again until my GF4 sucks, as the never ending cycle of computer upgrades continues.Long live the PC and better and more kick ass games !

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

stop itarguing of who is better just means you hate competition. Ati driver support sucks yes, but paying 400 bucks for a video card is retarded. If ATI wasn't doing any of this, prices would go up not down. I sure as hell hope ATI puts nvidia in its place. Paying more for a video card than a whole computer is crazy.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

Hey we have faster cards on the market then ati or nvidia but ati and nvidia are the cards that are known. So there are 5 type of people on this planet 1. ATI & AMD 2. ATI & Intel 3. Nvidia & amd 4. Nvidia & Intel 5. The CONSOLE FANS (the poor ones how dont know what gaming is but think to know). And one thing dont compare diffrent cards the R8500 was made to be compared whith G4 4600 and the new r300 is ment to be compared whith nv30 so lets start a real flamewar after the test of both cards are availible. And evryone has a favorite card, cpu, car and so on but when time goes one your taste changes.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

"Ati's 9700 kicks the f**king shit out of the geforce 4 ti4600. I own both and ati's card is far superior and waaaay cheaper, just goes to show how much nvidia is ripping everyone off these days. ATI RULES!!!!"LOL! No. NV30 has higher clock and better memory than ATI. Plus the memory bandwidth is higher. Plus, ATI, with they crappy support and drivers just hurt their hardware and everytime they claim to fix something they mess something else up."I had nothing but problems with My GeForce 2. It tool 30 seconds for the damn thing to change screen resolutions. My other computer(a Pentium II 266 w/ a Radeon LE) performed just as well as my T-Bird 1.2 w/ a GF2. I bought my All-in-wonder Radeon 8500dv a week later and all my headaches were gone. I knew ATI had in the past had driver problems, but so far I have yet to encounter any. The 9700 should be no different, or at least better. My advice, don't buy a nVidia Card. "I also had this problem with my Geforce 2 card. I fixed it by taking the drivers that somehow stayed behind from the old card and motherboard. After that it worked perfect. I'm gonna buy an NV30, not ATI whatever.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

the nv30 doesnt even exist yet! i bet they just thought up the name a few days ago, ati's 9700 does exist, i was one of the few to get it before anyone else through ati. To compare a graphics card that does exist to one that doesn't is insane. You didnt see ppl comparing the r9700 to the gf4 right when the gf4 was released, that's right because the gf4 was being compared to ati's newest technology at the moment--the 8500, and now Ati has retaken the lead in graphics cards, and this will remain the same UNTILL u can actually go to the store, purchase, touch and feel the new nvidia card, Ati ownz!!!

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

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RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

So far what i know is that i have had no problems, no complaints with any nVidia product, and nothing but bullshit with Radeon, lots of games regect ATI, and hardly work with it, unless you download a patch (if any were released, and if so like a month after the game comes out) for example: GTA 3 for the comp has no problems at all with nVidia cards, but ATI cards have unwanted texture and fog glitches wich make the game unbearable. Another.... Lithtec games regect ATI all together, no patches were released and probaly none will ever come out, so ATI gamers will never be able to play any games on that great engine) and plenty other glitches ive read on forums and complaints. so it doesnt matter how good the frame rate on the new 9700 because there will allways be problems with ATI and nVidia will allways remain smooth and reliable for programs of all kinds because all games and programs and companies are all supporting nVidia and working with them. not to mension your operationg system (windows) wich is made by microsoft is also hand in hand with nVidia wich means they are in great hands. So all you ATI fan out there are only on ATI's side just because you made the mistake of buying one of there products and dont wont to admit being an idiot and defend them. so you guys better wake up and gett yourselves a GeForce 4 Ti 4600 128 DDR w/TV out and sail free, problem free with your newfound gaming experience. Look at me i did just that and couldnt be happier :)

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

here is what i think about the 97001st, fast, new, support alot of new things.2nt, who cares about dx9, how long did it take the game developers to fully support dx8?? a year??3rd, $400+!!!!! i paid &150 for gf4 ti42004th, very bad driversfinally is it worth to buy a card that no game currently support???

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

why the f**k would anyone want a console. what a dumarse.NVIDIA IS GOING DOWN!!!nVidia: I lead the graphics card market still..ATi: You aint leading but two things right now, Jack and Shit and Jack just left town.If you were a game developer and your goal in life is the make the best graphical FPS game ever (hint*id software*hint) which card are you going to go with?The one which out performs the other by 50% or the one which is more popular?Thats like choosing the free Honda over the Porsche because the Honda had better support.Or paying $800 for a pentium 4 2.4gig when you could of got an Athlon 2400+ for $400note: Carmack is trying his hardest to optimize the game for geforces because they simply cannot handle as well as the radion counterparts.NV30 doing 200% better than radeon 9700 my arse...probably tested it on a program the benchmarks the market demand for the card lol1. very powerful, new, support everything that is made from now and on.2. who cares about that. we are after high framerates and high quality graphics.3. when you are after the most powerful card on the market price doesn't matter.4. "bad drivers" was only when the 8500 was first released. they have changed that now. and expect even better support with 9700.."finally is it worth to buy a card that no game currently support???"are you saying nothing will run on the radeon 9700???how do you think we get all these screenshots of benchmarks of it then on the most popular games and benchmark programs aswell?ATI could easily get a project they are working on with superconducter technology and 256ram and like 1000mhz bus and all that crap which would smash the nv30.. but do you think either of them will be releaseing that card anytime soon? how much u reckon it would cost.. to make a profit they would have to sell them for $20000 each.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

2 things!1. Nvidia holds greater 3d marketshare. This means that most game developers are gearing all they're games toward nvidia cards! This means that all other 3d card makers have to "emulate" what Nvidia created, which OBVIOUSLY wont work as well! Once ATI takes the greater marketshare, then games will be designed for they're cards and wont work as good on nvidia cards and so on. This will ALWAYS be!2. Nvidia sells it's name more than anything. It's like buying timberland shoes! Yea, they're good quality and they hold up well. But they are bought from other mass shoe manufacturers and are slapped with a timberland brand and sold at 3 times the price as anyone else! Nvidia knows that any retard who knows how to operate a computer has heard the name "Nvidia" before and will brobably buy that as opposed to another brand! that's whay they made those shitty GF4 MX's!! They know some dumb ass will go "Nvidia Geforce 4!!! For $99!!! Hell yea!!" and go home and think they have the top of the line technology! I got better benchmark scores w/ my GF2 Ultra than I did after I put my friend's GF4 MX in!Finally, I think Nvidia is going to learn the same thing Intel did. No true gamer or computer enthusiast want a brand name! They want true performance at a price they can afford! ATI is providing that! Nvidia will drop prices, just like intel. But by then, ATI will have alot of new customers!I have a GF4 4200 by the way and am very pleased! But more power to ATI for doing the right thing and fight corporate price gouging!

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

Im wondering with all these innovations going on is there any companies making custom made video cards for ati? I know nvidia and jaton make custom made video cards cause im using one but is ati doing likewise? Before you dis custom cards, realize that unlike buying a recent card for $300 you can get one made for barely $150 with all the goodies and best of all without any of the flaws. Oh and unlike the brandname retail you can have things that arent usually added like built in fan, modified driver, tv outlet support, and even an alternative memory than the standard used. I just wish ati would do likewise so their chips can actually be used correctly for once.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

Eh, 2.4 ghz P4 doesn't cost $800, its somewhere around $180-190 pretty soon, I am not sure about the AMD tho, they seem more pricey. Either way "Anonymous" you are comparing the 9700 to a peice of hardware that is a whole generation behind, OF COURSE ITS GONNA BEAT IT! you haven't taken into account the NV30, the P10(sucks) or whatever else. Since you haven't even seen a 9700 in action in real life or tested one, please, shut yer trap.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

John John, u are a f**king moron, u just contradicted yourself by saying that of course the new technology will be better(r9700) and the gf4(which u think is better) has a whole new generation behind itself, well then u go on saying that the nv30 is a better card, when yet...IT DONT EXIST YET!i'd re-read what u type before u post it, ati rules, better card, better price BOTTOM LINE!!!

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

"John John, u are a f**king moron, u just contradicted yourself by saying that of course the new technology will be better(r9700) and the gf4(which u think is better) has a whole new generation behind itself, well then u go on saying that the nv30 is a better card, when yet...IT DONT EXIST YET!i'd re-read what u type before u post it, ati rules, better card, better price BOTTOM LINE!!!"LOL. You haven't even used the 9700 yet and you are already making judgements. And you are saying that I contradicted myself? Haha, anyways, you totally missed what I said, I never said that the GF4 was better than the 9700 idiot. I said that of course the 9700 is gonna beat the GF4 when the GF4 is a whole generation behind the 9700. Duh! If you are gonna make a judgement about the 9700 against an Nvidia card, then judge it against the NV30, which has taped out. The NV30 does exist also, no preview samples yet for lamers like you, but the cards do very well exist beleive me. I do read before I post, and you should pay more attention before you post about someone elses post, you see what you wanna see, I guess you must be dislexic. Fanboy.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

Guys..... Look.... ATI has the newest and best out NOW! When Nvidia releases the NV30, then THEY will have the fastest card! Then ATI will release a totally revised version of thier card, then they will have the fastest card! Then Nvidia will release.... and so on and so on! And any f**king moron who wants to sit here and grip about which is the better card only has to look at NOW! What is released NOW is all that matters! I guarantee the Radeon 9,000,000 will beat the shit out of my GF4 4200! BUT IT'S NOT OUT YET! IT DOESNT MEAN SHIT! Everyone has to hand it to ATI for having the most powerful card on the market! And thats the key! ON THE MARKET! I'm sure that everyone will be screaming "9700! 9700!" until the NV30 comes out! Then it'll be "NV30! NV30!" Then when ATI comes out with the 10500 or whatever, then everyone will screaming for them! Just shut your f**king mouths and enjoy the competition giving us so much power so quickly!

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

ummm ive seen the radeon 9700 Overclocked to 400 mhz and i just think that kinda insane. I mean it was 325mhz b4 and they are already clocking it at 400??? Also i would like to say that its without a doubt the fastest 3d card on the planet(duh). And its also going for $350 while the geforce4 4600 is around $300. except it has 2-3x the speed(I think thats worth the extra 50 bucks dont you?)BTW you must be a total idiot to compare it to something that simply DOES NOT EXIST. lol thats like comparing a 2002 civic to a 2005 accord. The logic in that boggles the mind :What im trying to say is wait till the NV30 comes out, than compare. Untill than, Radeon 9700=best card you can get.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

"ummm ive seen the radeon 9700 Overclocked to 400 mhz and i just think that kinda insane. I mean it was 325mhz b4 and they are already clocking it at 400??? Also i would like to say that its without a doubt the fastest 3d card on the planet(duh). And its also going for $350 while the geforce4 4600 is around $300. except it has 2-3x the speed(I think thats worth the extra 50 bucks dont you?)BTW you must be a total idiot to compare it to something that simply DOES NOT EXIST. lol thats like comparing a 2002 civic to a 2005 accord. The logic in that boggles the mind :What im trying to say is wait till the NV30 comes out, than compare. Untill than, Radeon 9700=best card you can get."Radeon 9700 is more than $300 on ATI website. Also, NV30 does exist, not out yet, but it is working. At higher than 400 mhz Core. Due to that fact, 9700 is not the fastest on the "planet". But it is the fastest out on the market. GF4 Ti 4600 for $250. I don't even bother with 4600 anymore, I bought one, and now I bought a 4200 128 meg for $120 brand new. One of the best cards I've ever owned. That will hold me off until NV30 is out. Since it already taped out, it shouldn't been too long until release is announced and we start seeing official samples and on shelves. The 9700 does have a great speed advantage for the moment, but that is until people start buying it and ATI starts screwwing up the drivers. That is what is gonna hurt the card, not design, but ATI's support.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

"Of course, none of us is stupid enough to go pay 300-400$ retail for a card you could buy OEM for 250-275 right?......"OEMs are slower, if I have the cash, why not get the best that you can get with your money. For me its retail and has a chipset called NV30.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

John John, your such a fanboy it too funny. The NV30 is not on the market yet dumbass so it is not the fastest card out. Of course when the NV30 hits the market it will be faster. And as normal, ATI will counter with the card they are working on now. As you know, ATI annd Nividia have different teams working on the next generation card. So this cycle will always repeat itself. And as for ATI drivers, you dumbasses have not tried the new drivers. They run all the current games and older ones fine and increased my frames per second with my 8500 128 ddr card. If your not running the current ATI drivers don't say shit about the card. I hate mofo's that make statements about things and have never tried it. They call people like that AS***** John John run a 8500 WITH CURRENT DRIVERS THEN JUDGE...yOUR TOO MUCH OF A FANBOY....And one thing is true, the ATI card will be cheaper big time then the NV30......

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

i hope you know nVidia has alread a card 2 times better than the 9700, i think you guys have never heard of the Quadro have you i hope you know that is acctualy the best desktop video card out at this time so dont think ATI's new 9700 is the best thing out, because you guys have obviouly not been informed sbout the Quadro wich has been out for quite some time (2 or 3 months) and is 3 times better than the GeForce 4 Ti 4600 (wich happens to be a dream machine) ok people, ATI never had the lead, and will never have the lead, so shut the phuck up!!!! take a look at this site [url removed] and think again

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

"John John, your such a fanboy it too funny. The NV30 is not on the market yet dumbass so it is not the fastest card out. Of course when the NV30 hits the market it will be faster. And as normal, ATI will counter with the card they are working on now. As you know, ATI annd Nividia have different teams working on the next generation card. So this cycle will always repeat itself. And as for ATI drivers, you dumbasses have not tried the new drivers. They run all the current games and older ones fine and increased my frames per second with my 8500 128 ddr card. If your not running the current ATI drivers don't say shit about the card. I hate mofo's that make statements about things and have never tried it. They call people like that AS***** John John run a 8500 WITH CURRENT DRIVERS THEN JUDGE...yOUR TOO MUCH OF A FANBOY....And one thing is true, the ATI card will be cheaper big time then the NV30...... "For your info I run an array of machines, AMD, INTEL, even Cyrix, coupled with NVdia and ATI gpus, I have 8500 and 8500 LE with the latest drivers, what is sad is that one of my GF4 Ti 4200's beats them both even with the latest drivers and is more stable. So please, shut yer trap.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

John John your such a dumbass, why do you keep repeating yourself, shut the phuck up we heard you the first 10 time SHUT UP!!!! and on a second note (to the guy who was dumb enought to diss the quadro) the Quadro is the best thing out and has been for months even before the GeForce 4 came out, so shut your mouth before you make yourself even more of a dumb ass, and if you werent so damn dumb only the cheaper version of the quadro is PCI, the best kinds are AGP you dumbass, where the hell are you getting you facts!!!! you are such a dumbass!!!!

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

Guys every 6 months theres always gonna be a New Card Faster than the Other. I hope you do KNow the 9700 from ATI was ment to Compete with the TI4600 so dont go out there Comparing the ATI9700 to a NV30 there both diffenrent Classes do you guys even KNow what the NV30 is CLOCK to its 450MHZ core and 1000MHZ mem thats one hell of a card, OF course ATI should have something to compete against that, Its a ladder....When it really gets down to it, its not on the Performance of the Card its in the QUality....so calm Down, Competition is always good!Stop calling the NV30 by that name its gonna be Called GeForce5 5000 Td, and it comes in 4 different Flavors, Dont ask me How I know...I do cause of were I work!

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

"Guys every 6 months theres always gonna be a New Card Faster than the Other. I hope you do KNow the 9700 from ATI was ment to Compete with the TI4600 so dont go out there Comparing the ATI9700 to a NV30 there both diffenrent Classes do you guys even KNow what the NV30 is CLOCK to its 450MHZ core and 1000MHZ mem thats one hell of a card, OF course ATI should have something to compete against that, Its a ladder....When it really gets down to it, its not on the Performance of the Card its in the QUality....so calm Down, Competition is always good!Stop calling the NV30 by that name its gonna be Called GeForce5 5000 Td, and it comes in 4 different Flavors, Dont ask me How I know...I do cause of were I work!"Eh, no? 9700 was made to compete with NV30 and all other nvidia cards that came before it. Why do you think that both cards work DX9? they are same generation, I think that the only thing you got right in that whole post was the part where you said the NV30 clock was 450 Mhz Engine and 1000Mhz Memory. The "Geforce 5 5000 T d" will come out in 9 different flavours. Some not associated as much, so you are correct with the 4, cuz that is what is gonna be used most and more widespread. Where do you work? maybe I know you...

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

"Eh, no? 9700 was made to compete with NV30 and all other nvidia cards that came before it. Why do you think that both cards work DX9? they are same generation,"Umm I hope you do KNow that the 9700 is build on a .15 Micron which is what the TI4600 is build on while the NV30 is on .13 Micron Which is another Generation, wether it has the same DirectX or not its a Different Generation. Thats why the 9700 cant go so high on Clock speeds the size of the die is too small.Just like if ATI suddenly by some miracle decide to Build there next card on a .10 Micron hitting 600MHZ on the core around 1400MHZ on the MEM but still a DX9 card is that sopposed ot compete with the NV30, just cant because of the Limitations on the Micron. But if there were to do it on the same Micron as the NV30 which is .13 and hit those speeds then Yes!

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

Going by my RADEON 8500 128 meg , i would believe the results against theG4. My ATI RADEON 8500 128 meg MOPS the floor with my cousins GeForce3 Ti 500 In 3d mark 2001 and his is over clocked. We installed my card on his sytem and ran the tests, then he isntalled his card back in and ran the tests (For consistancy we ran both card on his System AMD XP 1900+ 256 Megs ram DDR 3200 Speed)My card scored over 10,000 3D marks, whils his mustered around 7500 to 8000.Plus mine comes with TV output, as does his, But my TV out works right out of the box with the drivers provided by ATI. No f**king aroundNo special 3rd party software is needed to get the TV output to funtion properly.And the card was a great value as well, I almost bought a GeForce 3 Ti 500 but figured i would give RADEOn a try, and i am glad i did. Now i am not saying the GeForce 3 cards suck, they do not by any means, but the RADEON is just a plain better card.

RADEON 9700 PRO Takes on NV30 AND GF 4

How can this be since NV30 final has yet to be shiped back from manufacterer to Nvidia? They finished their designs about two weeks ago (AKA taped out) and sent it off to be manufactered. They should be getting the first shipment back sometime late this week to early next week.

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