XBox 2 Graphics : nVidia or ATI?

nVidia and Microsoft have had a truly whirlwind affair, as far as the XBox has been concerned. It all started well enough, with the design and release of the console, it wasn't long though, before clouds formed over, what seemed to be, a match made in heaven. When the hard times (disappointing sales) came, the relationship turned sour and a lot of finger-pointing ensued. Just as the pair where about to go their separate ways, a report in a Taiwanese economic newspaper claims the two giants have struck a design win on the XBox 2.

Will there be a happy ending for the graphics leader and the troubled giant? Unfortunately the story does not end here, nVidia vehemently denied the, Taiwanese, story and even suggested that ATI may now know more.
ATI of course claim that any reports of a graphics breakthrough on XBox 2 are premature.
So who will actually supply the graphics chip on the new design XBox2? It remains unclear, although, as time goes by nVidia seem to be moving even further from the idea of continuing their roller-coaster affair with Microsoft.

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Ummmm Doom 3 being just as graphically powerful???? Well by the time its released, most PCs will have 2ghz Pentiums or AMDs as standard (now its like 1.4) as well as 256 + ram (SD or DDR) as well as a GeForce 3 + as standard. Well most ppl know that my opinion relating 2 PCs is base since i know jack all from PC but i have a good insight in2 trends in the future. By then the X Box hardware will not match the standard PC. THEN WE NEED TO COMPARE IT WITH THE UPPER END OF THE MARKET IN PCs! Theyd probly be like a 2.8 ghz almost 3ghz probly with a GeForce 4 or 5 etc etc. Yes the X Box will get the job done but really i dont think u can say itd be as graphically powerful to the PC, even the standard PC will have better FPS, textures etc etc.....

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xbox sucks anyways, time for that steaming pile of shit to burn. konami aint making no games for it and theyve lost the dead or alive series. boo hoo, whoever came up with the idea for xbox 2 needs a few good kicks to the head. it doesnt matter who suplies the graphics, i don't think either will.. most companies aren't willing to lose a billion dollars supporting piles of shit.

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who the f**k said MS lost DOA? tecmop haven't said anything yet u moron. and about the PC business, its different, can't u idiots just get it through ur head? can PCs play beat-em-ups properly? no. sport games? no! racers? no, platformers etc. sure they could run them at one zillions polygons and resolutions, but hey, if thats all ur after in a gaming experience then uv been wasting ur time. PCs are good for online (although consoles can do just as well, especially the XBOX) and FPS (same on consoles except with slightly inferior control method, if u learn it properly, u'll know that its only slightly) and RTS. everything else sucks on it. just grow up u morons, some ppl prefer other game genres. and p00_p00, its true that "by the time its released, most PCs will have 2ghz Pentiums or AMDs as standard (now its like 1.4) as well as 256 + ram (SD or DDR) as well as a GeForce 3 + as standard" but the game won't take advantage of all that. ppl always gorget that. nothing has totally taken advantage of the G3 or DX8.1. only the future upcoming everquest 2 is promising to take advantage of the entire GF3.

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hahah hes funny. Wats this with Temco not talkin 2 M$??? Plz feel us in. Also isnt Konami making MGS2 Substance (do Konami make that or was that some other Jap company....... cant remember)Anyhowz PC can play driving games realllllyy well. SInce u can also network em etc as well as have a steering wheel. So really in driving department Pc and console are evenly matched, but i prefer console (shame those damn console games soooo expensive). ANyhows Fighting and Sport are definitely undisputed on the Console!

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what a shame for everyone that shelled out their hard earned bucks for that console its all about upgrading (dont spend 800.00 on xbox upgrade your comp instead for the games will cost ya $120.00 that sucks when you can go to the video shop and copy the comp games from the store thats a lot of rental games for $120.00 or a lot of up grading over a year ) just something to think about ??????

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HEY MORON, doa series ain't exclusive to xbox no more! doa4 is going cross platform. konami of japan don't publish games for xbox no more. MGS SUBSTANCE ISN't GOING TO BE RELEASED IN JAPAN, it will in USA, thats cause they already completed the damn game and it will sell ok in US. Konami of Japans exact words..."We will not continue to publish games for the xbox untill it establishes a user base in Japan". YOUR SHIT OUT OF LUCK! Other japanese companies will follow. this is old news. who the f**k cares if xbox goes online if it lost the support of one of the biggest game makers of japan! WOW my console can go online... it has a hardrive...it can make toast, make me coffee. Oh but wait, but no ones making games anymore! BOO HOO, ill shed a tear for you MORON!

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It's up to the developers to create games that run well on the P.C. It's not that the P.C cannot run games such as sport titles or beat em ups like the consoles. The developers know the quick money is in the console market. So they rush those titles out for the P.C and take their time developing for the consoles. Trust me when i say this, i am in the industry. I see it everyday. However, you will see this begin to change as new powerful video cards are being released every 6 months now. All up coming games will support Directx8.1 and something the X-BOX won't...Directx9. DOOM3 will not look as crisp on the X-BOX as the P.C. period. When it's released, the entry level P.C.'s will be of the 2 gig variety with a min. of g-force 4 in it's tower. This is insanely more powerful the the X-BOX. And DOOM3 and Unreal 2 was made with high-end P.C'S in mind anyways. Try running DOOM3 or Unreal 2in maximum resolution and all the eye candy effects on the X-BOX and expect it to run at 60 frames constant or better. Not a chance. As for racing games on the P.C......the racing sims like F1 and Nascar on a mid range or high-end system kick major a**!....

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That's too funny if it is true that the DOA series is no longer a X-BOX exclusive. I say this because when the X-BOX was first released, the creators of DOA3(TECMO) said that the X-BOX would only be the format inwhich this game will run properly because of it's processing power. And no other console would get it because of this. If this is true. How money effects judgement. I have been saying this all along. If a console sells poorly and the user base is not increasing, developers that are exclusive to that given console will go cross platform to regroup costs. For Microsofts sake this had not be true, but gossip.

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well not 2 bad mouth M$, but just somethin about the RARE fiasco. When their were rumours that Rare was goin multi, most ppl thought Rare was goin 2 b..... well multi on all 3 consoles. Anywayz the main incentive for Rare 2 do this was to get a HUGE userbase of what...... 50 million gamers??? Well now X Box has bought em up, they can only reach a no. of 4 million or less. BUT who can resist a nice big $US 240 MILLION straight cash transaction ON THE DAY of the deal??? Well only M$ can do that! Also i heard that M$ bout Nintendos share for like $US 180 mil so it seems that Nin had a smaller share in Rare as first expected. But this will help Nintendo since they just cut the annual profit projection of 60 billion yen to like 50 billion yen.... well i suppose they still makin a profit.....

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That was 49% of the shares. And the 180 mil is no chump change. Nintendo is probably the only console company making TRUE profits. This is because of the Game-boy and Game-boy Advanced. RARE is a great company, however, it was no longer needed by Nintendo, as they begun to get those 3rd party developers they lost when the 64 was out.

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hey anonymous, who cares if konami jumps off the ship. what good games have they made? MGS and ...?!? sure they made plenty of games, but all are average. think about it, i can't remember a single landmark they have made apart from MGS which will get whipped by Splinter Cell.where did u hear that DOA4 is not XBOX exclusive? tecmo has not said a thing. sure their silence may seem suspicious but still, THEY HAVEN'T SAID A THING so stop jumping to conclusions. plus, we're only talking about one company thats left here. "more will follow" well let them follow in the future, its not happening now is it? this is hardly something to be alarmed about. plus, if ur a Sony fan (which it sounds like u are from ur ignorance) then u'd be pleased to keep in mind that Rare can replace 2 Konamis, if u know what i mean.

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DRDEATH, have u not listened to a freaking word a said? "Trust me when i say this, i am in the industry. I see it everyday." don't crack me up buddy. there are no beat-em-ups on PCs because of the PC layout. for example, why do ppl enjoy sport games on consoles better? not because of the inferior graphics. its b/c u watch sport on TV, so u get an authentic feel when u play infront of a tv. this is what i'm talking about. i don't deny the fact that PCs have better specs (no shit!) but they cost more for what their worth, and some genres just don't belong there. just like when u say that RTS and FPS are for PCs. there are loop holes in that too.and also, i do not belioeve u can ever say u don't need a certain developing team b/c u have more. Rare is a great asset, Nintendo should never have given them up. just admit it u ppl. ur just lieing to urselves.also, i remembered clearly that when DOA3 came out, all anti-XNOX ppl said it was crap and blah blah blah. well now that it seems like (notice seems) tecmo is going multi, ur all jumping for joy, just like i'm jumping cause Rare is making XBOX games and i wasn';t when they were with Nintendo. this is all human psychology and as DRDEATH likes to brag, "Trust me when i say this, i am in the industry. I see it everyday." these are all symptoms of insecure fan-boys not willing to admit losses. do what i'm doing, GROW UP. notice i haven't sworn?

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Dr.Death had said that the computer games are rushed, and that they spend alot more time on the console, and that is what he sees ever day. I think. Anyway, thanks to docter Death and to God's Hitman for saving me a couple speeches. Are you sure about Doom 3 not being as graphical and everything, because I am looking at a preview thing, and it says that it will be just as powerful. Oh ya what does there being way newer hardware for the pc have when Doom 3 comes out for Xbox have to do with Doom 3 coming out.

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First of all, read reviews for Madden 2003 for the PC for example. I HAVE PLAYED IT. It was rushed. You can develope ANY game for the PC better then a console. Why? Because the games have to be programed on a PC to begin with. It's about money. A software developer will can make larger profits selling it's software to the console market then the PC market. Plain and simple. What lay-out? You can buy a Game-Pad for the PC that has the same configuration as the PS2 or any other form of Game-Pad. Force feed-back also. Even arcade style joysticks and 8 button set-ups. And i do see alot of companies jumping ship to develope for the console market. And that T.V B.S line is old. Almost any Video card you purchase has T.V out capabilities. I can play any of my games on my 36 inch flat screen at resolutions of 1024. As for RARE. DO YOU REALLY THINK NINTENDO WOULD HAVE SOLD RARE IF IT WAS THE SAME COMPANY OF OLD???? Not a chance. Quite a few of it's developers have left the company. And insiders say the two founders of the company might leave it too. If RARE was so important, Activision would have scooped them up right away. They laughed at the asking price for the company. Even Bungie never sold for that kind of money. Nintendo has secured deals with the major Japenses developers and has no need for them anymore. And they also retain the majority of the licsenses for the games RARE made for them. Sorry i am no fan-boy and you know it........

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As for D00M3, this game has been optimized for next generation video cards. The NV30, and the 9700. DOOM3 advantage of the extra vertex shaders that these cards have to offer. The more vertex shaders, the more effects a developer can add without taking hits in performance. When DOOM3 is released the entry level PC'S will be vastly superior to the hardware in the X-BOX. Right now the Entry level PC'S are in the 1.4 gig range with a g-force 3 card. By 2003 it will be in the 2 gig range and g-force4 variety. PC owners wil be able to take advantage of pumping DOOM3 to the max if their system can handle it. PC'S are scalable. You can't do that with the X-BOX. The game has to run at a decent frame rate at a constant.PC users will have the benefit of running the game at resolutions of 1600x1200 with fsaa6x and ansioscpic filtering on x16 if they have the horses to run it. And this is why it will look better on the PC. John Carmack has said this game is for high-end PCS. He wants to be revolutionary with this graphic engine. DOOM3 for the X-BOX will run probably at 30 frames a second. And i am quite sure you will see slow down when the action gets hot. Being closed architecture theres not a hell of alot you cah do because of it. With a PC, you can change your memory or video card to run the game faster. Or lower the resolutions.

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And as for the DOA SERIES. This is a perfect example of a company trying to increase it's profit base with their triple A title because the given format inwhich this game is exclusive on is selling poorly. X-BOX has lost a few exclusive titles because of this. To develope a games these days takes major investments. Money. Time. And resources. So the last thing a software house wants to see is their triple A title selling to a small user base when it can sell to a larger market. (40 million plus for just the PS2.) This is good reason for them to jump ship. And Nintendo had the first chance to buy RARE out- right. It's not like Microsoft came along during negotiations and scooped the company from under them. Nintendo also could have held the 49% of shares it had in RARE if they were so important to them. They didn't. X-BOX is the best console out there if you don not have a decent PC. It's a mini PC with closed architicture.

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I read everythin besides DRDEATHS technical jargon on Doom3..... i got a headache, cause i dont get all that. But heres wat i know1) I agree 100% with Hitman, Nintendo bought rare dirt cheap and they still have a lot of $$$. So y sell their trump card which couldve made them the winner of the Console Wars? Well i dont think Rare being with MS will make X Box surpass GC but i think Nin selling it is just as bad as them using catridges for the N64: a big mistake which will cost them in the future2 i keep my stance with DRDEATH on Doom 3. X Box will do the job but it is ignorant 2 say that the graphics will match those on PC. I dont know all the jargon etc but i do know common sense. By the time its released itd be like Battlefield 1942 - designed for the top end PCs. Say it comes out in 2 years from now. 2 years is a lot for PC tech 2 grow. Imagine the 2 yr old X Box compared with the top end PCs. Of course it wont be for the 5 grand PC but itd be made with specifications in mind of a 2ghz + GeForce 3 standard. BUT the XbOx has not been fully tapped so it mite look really impressive but wont match the WOW factor of the PC period!3) If the DOA series is goin cross platform, its cause their aint enugh X Box users. I do think that GC and PS2 could run DOA3 but not as impressive as X Box (like comparin Doom 3 on PC with that on X Box). But Fighting games are really small with small words and hence the cube can stack all those real world polys on the characters and small environment to give X Box a run for its money.5)Well u cant generalise that u wanna play Sport games on cosnole ONLY. Its on personal choice. My choice would b console since it is mre stable and i dont have and dont want a pad for my PC. But some games like FIFA manager or F1 manager would best b played on PC. THats like playin SC on N64.... shudders.

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And with the PC vs COnsole argument..... im just wonderin wat ppl are goin 2 do with Bond Nightfire. I saw the trailer for it (GC version) and it loooks sweeeeeet. Best Bond yet since Goldeneye (yet not revolutionary dosnt mean it cant beat GE). But are ppl gettin it on PC or their console. I 4 one will get it on GC cause1) GE was a gr8 experience on the N64.2) I dont think graphicaly it would improve much on PC since it was designed for consoles3) COnsole is mre stable (well 4 me it is)4) Id rather play on my TV on my nice itallian couch than in a cramped COmputer room with a shitty old swivel chair.Well wat is other ppls say? If u get it on PC u can burn it.... which is about it but console u can invite some mates ova and play split screen, since Nightfire wasnt really designed over net play. LAN would b good but good ol split screen is fine by me!But yeah the trailer loooks reallllly good!

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And the skeptics baggin out the cube sayyin it cant play DVDs and boo hoo it cant do that..... look no further. In a fully legit operation, Factor 5 and some Div X company are makin software 2 convert the cube 2 play all ur Div X needs. Div X is basically DVDs with reduced size but almost same quality! Well newayz ppl can now watch Div X on their TV rather than PC (or u dont need 2 buy a DC 2 do it either). Now u can buy ur cube and get all those DIv X movies u want. Truly good news for the cube, as it dosnt have 2 spend aditional $$$ on DVD roms and hence the Cube can b the cheapest console around!

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maybe it was "rushed" b/c EA's sport games are mostly for consoles first? just like the way u always bag PC ports to consoles, this is the same case. and if it really is about money, wouldn't u think that they would release it on EVERYTHING? which includes the PC? sure u can plug it in ur TV, but i'm not someone who has a 30+ inch TV in my room, i have a 16 inch TV. i can probably plug my PC in my living room, but hey, these are only possibilites, not practicalities. u serioously wanna move ur PC around all the time? when u need to do PC kinda stuff like work and internet, the TV sucks. which means u need to move everything again. these are only possible, but i'm sure the majority won't bother.also, the XBOX is capable of doing things at 60 frames per second max, when all everything within its power is activated. this means all effects, all polys, everything. so i'm sure Doom3 will be 60 frames, maybe just with a little less magic. also, right now, entry level PCs have MX cards, not TI cards, which makes shit load of difference. and having high resolutions may not be that good. in morrowind, when u have high resolutions like 1600*1200, it is hard to make out the writting.i do agree that Doom 3 will not look as good on XBOX as a PC with the latest chips. it is common sense that many PCs can do everything a console can, but XBOX can't be too far off, since with the right developers, a game can look the best it can on a GF3 card, where as that can never happen on a PC since there is bound to be something the developer isn't using, unless they're doing what EQ2 is doing.

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look, PCs are not bad, but like the GC, its limited in its genre selection. they have great FPS, RTS and online play. GC has great puzzlers, adventurers and platformers. plus, most gamers prefer to play games on TVs instead of monitors and the whole PC desktop setup, for immersion purposes. can we just drop this PC versus consoles thing? this is different to the console wars, as that does not have facts, but here:1. mouse/k/b is faster than control pad for RTS and FPS.2. PCs are capable (notice capable) of running at higher graphics and speed.3. Consoles are user friendly4. have a large range of games that appeal to the majority like sport, fighting etc. these games may have a chance of looking better on PCs (if they don't rush them), but they belong to console gaming.5. PCs and consoles are two very different catagories. two very different gaming experiences, so if their different int his aspect, then it is nearly immpossible to compare.

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about the scability issue (u know, how PC games were designed to take advantage to suite different PCs), i was just drinking a can a red bull here, and was thinking, some games, for example Turok was made for all three consoles, in a way, thats like the PC's scability thing. imagine that PS2 is the lower end PC, GC and XBOX up in the mid to high end. the XBOX version looks better than the PS2 version, and maybe the GC version, but it doesn't by far look as good as a game specifically designed for the XBOX like Halo. the textures are a bit blurry up close, and many other aspects just doesn't make it up in the same street as Halo since it wasn't designed specifically for the XBOX. sure it was given a lift from the PS2 version, but there is only so much u can scale. think about that. now replace the consoles with PCs of low to high ranges. this is much the case and why not all PC games look as good as they can be given the hardware possibilities.

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I live in a loft. And my PC is in the same area as my High-Fi stereo and T.V and Game-Cube. It's all connected as one. If you're a hard-core gamer most people should do this as you're gaming experience is multiplied big time. I just push a few options on my PC and i am playing BATTLEFIELD 1942 or NOLF 2 or Unreal 2003 on my T.V. in full surround sound. (10 speakers 2 subs) 5 from my P.C. setup. 5 from my High-FI Stereo setup. As for the limited areas of genre regarding the Game-Cube is very untrue. All the same 3RD party developers for the PS2 and X-BOX are making the same games for the Game-Cube. True God, the X-BOX is the HIGH-END PC of the console market. If they want to make a game lookig better for it then the other consoles,they can because of the hardware. But alot of developers rarely do this for monetary and time reasons unless it's a exclusive title to that system. In order for them to do this they have to change some programming codes and in some cases it just does not become a straight port to each console. (that takes insane amounts of time)However, i believe every game should take advantage of it's hardware. And programmers should get off their collective a**** and doe this for each system. PC included. But it's easier for some of those lazy f***s to just port it over.........

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pOO, split screen multi play is sh**. It's so brutal it hurts. And the Sale of RARE is not that big a loss as most would seem. If RARE was the only company in Nintendos camp, then yes. But it's not anymore. Times have changed. And so do partnerships.

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DRDEATH, what the hell? u just go blabbing on about ur own thing. u don't bother to debate head to head, u just steer away and say some other crap. i seriously doubt that u have that setup, but what do i know eh? don't u do work on ur PC? are u typing all this out through ur TV? do u have a monitor and do u use it? geez, no wonder u typed in capital letters at the start.i've got my XBOX hooked up to two Sony Hi-Fi speakers (god forbid), and my small TV which is about 16inches i think. it is really new, so it has quite good picture quality. anyway, when i talk about the PC setup, i mean that u need a desk and shit to put ur controlling devices, which hey, only works with Steel Battalion and its big fat controller. u gotta admit that most PC ppl, use a monitor. not everyone is rich enough to accomodate a full cinema quality setup with 10 speakers and a large flatscreen TV. many don't even have decent enough TVs in their room. once again, we're only talking about possibilities here, not practicalities.and no, not all 3rd party developers are making XBOX games for other platforms. i would love to list them, but i know how much u hate being wrong since u never admit it.and anyways, Turok looks better than every other platform on the XBOX, yet it still is not as good as Halo. this is what happens when developers try to scale things to fit all. they have to spend too much resources to accomodate the lower end users, which means that although the game would run better on a higher end PC, it won't run as good, as if it was only designed for the higher end PCs, which is whats happening right now, apart from EQ2.

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and also, split screen isn't that bad. i would much rather play split screen in a small bed-room, than pack the place up with four PCs. i recently had a game with three other friends, on the XBOX, playing Halo, and although the experience would have been better if we used his bigger TV in the living room, i got used to it after about half an hour, and really enjoyed the game. it feels much more friendlier playing splitscreen, and fun, which is what playing with friends is about. even though on one TV, u get to see more details, and feel more in control, and don't have ppl cheating from ur screen, i would sacrifice that for a friendly game. i also noticed that i didn't feel as pissed off when i lost after playing screen, although i get very frustrated when loosing in CS. splitscreen just doesn't feel as hostile.bottom line is that i usually have a more sophisticated time when playing PC multiplayer, but i have a much better time when playing splitscreen, the way playing with friends should be.

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different developing team present different opportunitues. Even Sony, the company that has nearly every company under their fingers, wouldn't just throw away a company for a quick buck. no one should just sign someone off their team. just b/c they have a lot now (actually, they don't have THAT many), doesn't mean it doesn't matter. It seems like they didn't make that many games recently, but it only seems like that since they made many for the 64, when compared to other companies, and the situation now is the same, just that Nintnedo has other ppl now too. i believe Nintendo made a mistake, and like what the writer said in the Rare bought by MS topic, MS doesn't normally do things out of desperation, but instead, they do it out of intelligent thinking.

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Split screen sucks a**. This is what i would expect from a console user. When you go online with your X-BOX you won't bother to go split screen again. At this moment io am hosting a lan party and it's 7 of us playing Battlefield 1942 and NOLF2. Wicked... RARE is not the same company. Plain and simple. There good but not fantastic developers anymore. Time will tell. And what do you want me to debate on head to head??

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1) Plz Hitman, as if Nintendo is lacking in other genres besides adventure/puzzle etc. BULLSHIT! More like Nintendo are the best at Puzzle/Platformer and adventure, yet they can easily match PS2 and X Box for other genres. Like all sport titles are on all 3 consoles. FPSs, well X Box has their exlcusive- Halo, and Nintendo will have their ripper exclusive- Die Hard Vandeta plus others. And well, PS2 have many exclusives.2) Yeah but i dont have good net connection 2 play Nightfire on net and also i prefer 2 play with mates who come ova. Id play net for BF 1942 and thats about it. But.... this is Bond and i had good expereinces with Bond. Nightfire was made for consoles. Hence i will buy it on console. BUT a game liek Mafia or GTA3 is best on console due to their scope and size and i will get on PC.3) Well wif Rare, Nintendo had a really good chance at takin the no.1 spot from Sony but its diminished now. BUT Nintendo has their smaller rares 2 fill their shoes: ahem Retro, Silicon Nights, Camelot Systems etc etc etc. THese are all like Rare/Bungi who make excellent AAA titles but release slowly

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pOO, does it not make you laugh when all these so called hard-core gamers say Nintendo Game-Cube is lacking in some type of games then the other two systems. I have said this a few times in my other posts about this and i will say it again... This is propaganda crap that has been spread by Sony and Microsoft and it's fan-boys time and time again. It's so full of Bullsh** that it's comical. That was the N64 days. All the developers that are currently making games for Sony and X-BOX are also making them for the Game-Cube. If any console is going to lose exclusives or have projects cancelled or have games just released for other systems it will be the X-BOX before the other two; due to poor sales world-wide. Every system will have it's exclusives. The key fact here is, exclusives that are worth buying. At this point X-BOX has only two i can think of......HALO, and Project Gothem. And HALO is their only true triple A title. This is just not me saying this. Go to any gaming site, forum, whatever and they all say the same thing. "Great potential. Need more exclusives." Sony has the gaming areana wraped up this time around again. They don't have to worry. The amount of developers maing games for it exceed the others. If Bill and CO. want the X-BOX to surpass Sony it's going to have to develope more 'quality' exclusives. Not average games like Quantaum Redshift, Blood-Wake and others.......

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By the way i got my hands on a copy of the much Microsoft hyped game called Blinx. Mario Sunshine this game is not. In a big way. Laugh at Nintendo for it's so called "kiddie" games but no other company can touch it when it comes to 3-D platform games. And this is gospel........

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ok, lets move away from GC not having alot of intense games, and just focus on GC not having that many games at all. i swear to God out here in Australia, hardly any new titles have come out. i look at the selection and i see two disney games, 2 games to do with mario, about 6 ports and Rogue Leader, oh, also pikmin. now in the US, things may be different, but we're not that behind are we? after all, the XBOX titles seems to be beefing up nicely (but slowly). and this propaganda shit...DDEATH, get a life. stop trying to sound like ur einstein. No shit it would be Sony and MS fan-boys sayiing these things. but it is f**king true. there may be some games in the pipeline, but like u ppl said ages ago, u need it now. look, we should really drop this. we're talking about stuff that can not be smoothed out until at least 1 year later. u only compare XBOX with Sony, try comparing GC with the XBOX. i can think of SSBM, Rogue Leader and RE. i don't even like SSBM but hey, it seems like its successful. so there, three games. XBOX, theres JSRF, Halo, say what u want about QR, PGR and the best fighting game until Soul Calibur 2, DOA 3. once again, lets only talk about this later in the year, like christmas, when all the promised titles are out. right now, only Sony and the PC market has a right to talk.is Blinx already out up there? god i gotta move. from what i've seen, i would prefer SMS more. somehow, Nintendo has managed to make it fun-not kiddie, colourful-not corny, and just overall a classic. i say this with no sarcasm. Blinx has the time thing right, but it seems to dark, and shadowy-not the way a platformer should be.

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the truth is that "XBOX lacking exclusives" is just as much a propaganda spread by Nintendo, Sony and their fan-boys as "GC is a kiddie console".Splitscreen and online is good for different occasions. Splitscreen is more conveneint, and online/LAN is real mulitplay. lets face, not everyone enjoys lugging around their TVs and monitors and XBOX and PCs to friend's houses. this is where spltscreen comes in handy. LAN usually takes place on a special occassion, where everything needs to be planned, and shit. Splitscreen is more conveneint, but not as sophisticated.DRDEATH should go back and talk only about the PC. u show lack of knowledge and too much guessing. not all 3rd party developers are developing for GC. perhaps all the japanese are (is Konami) but they're also doing it for the XBOX (apart from Square). GC doesn't have that many European or American support though:Yager Developent, Rage, Milestone, Bioware, Ubisoft, Intrpid Entertainment, Phantagrams, Warthog, Artoon and many others. these developers are all working on games for the XBOX.

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In Syd, X Box and GC have the same amount of games, well in Syd EB they do. They have 2 small corners for XB and GC whilst one whole side for PS2, and 2 sides for PC and 1 side for GBA, N64 and PS.DRDEATH does know quite a bit so i wouldnt tell him 2 piss off rite away. But as Hitman sed i h8 bringin a PC 2 me mates just for Lan. And most of me mates who go are tight and cant be bothere 2 bring their PCs so it ends up being like 10 ppl sharein 6 computers. Thats when we go and play DC instead (Soul Caliber!!!!!)Oh and who the hell are those developers Hitman????? I heard of Ubisoft and i think Bioware only....

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God, what about FV4 for the PS2 i thought that was good???? And you say i don't know sh** about consoles because i challenge you when you post something......The libary of games in Canada are the same as the X-BOX. You might be getting titles in Australia at slow intervals, however, we get them at a steady pace. And if what you say are true in regards to the american software companies making games for the X-BOX not the Game-Cube. And the Japenese companies are jumping on board with Nintendo. I would pick the Japenese companies over the American ones any day of the week! You need those developers for your console or you might as well kiss it's a** good-bye. And it has UBISOFT titles coming for it. And Konami is huge, as is Capcom. And about these games you the Cube needs 'now' Ones that are in the pipeline.....for crying out load. That's the same thing with the X-BOX! Most of their titles are soon to be released like the Game-Cube. Give me a break. P00, talk to the man........

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And i am comparing the X-BOX to the Game-Cube....all the titles except two of the 'exclusives you mentioned are triple A titles to begin with. Who gives a rats a** if the X-box or Game-Cube or Sony releases 1000 exclusives tommorow and the vast majority of those games are bargin basement average titles. X-BOX needs GOOD EXCLUSIVE TILES. Not just 1 or 2. It can't hang on to the HALO franchise forever. Gripes, even Nintendo has Mario, and Zelda, and Donkey Kong as well as Metroid to fall back on. Not just one...And not all 3rd party companies are making titles for the X-BOX also. Many have pulled possible titles from release lists also. Exactly pOO, the developers God had mention beside maybe two are tiny American developers. Who are they????? X-BOX needs to break into the Japenese market. Maybe this is your choice of gaming with your friends....split screen. I think it sucks a** big time. That's maybe because i get my buddies to bring their boxes to my place or work and we play games like BattleField 1942 and Unreal2003 Warcraft 3 full version Lan style. And it's sweet. And you can't cheat be looking at some one elses 2 inch square box in the corner of the screen to see where they are.....That's plain lame. Online play is sooooo much better. That's my PC bit. And God you need to move to North America. We get game releases faster.

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Jeez, you guys post to much. Anyways, DRDEATH is right. Microsoft is focusing too much of their attention on the American markets while the xbox in japan is nearly non-existent. It was interesting how steel battalion(with its monstrosity of a controller) was the number one seller the week it was out, then dropped off completely the top 50 selling games the following week. Now with Konami not publishing games for xbox in Japan anymore (as i'm told?) thats just another serious blow for Microsoft. Konami is the equivalent of a god among game developers in Japan. I wouldn't be surprised if lesser companies would follow konami's example since there simply isn't a market for xbox at this time. This is also bad for gamers around the world since I personally believe that the most popular console games are coming out of Japan.Another thing is that xbox is lacking alot of exclusive franchise games. Alot of games are simply mediocre and are hyped-up way too much prior to their release.

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This is the area Microsoft needs to break into in a big way. A console has to secure major Japenese developers to really succeed. And if Microsoft and the X-BOX has any plans to overtake Nintendo and more importantly Sony in this console battle, it will have to attract more Japenese software houses.......

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i wanna visit Canada one day! Where r u DRDEATH? Vancouver, Toranto???Newayz when did Konami say that they wernt makin ne mre games with M$???? Thats a big blowAnd the Jap companies are the Kings in console gaming, hence y M$ is soooooo serious in breakin in2 the Jap console market.

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pOO,I live in Toronto. Canada is a great country. Very clean. Low crime rate. You should visit! Good partying too in Toronto. Bar and club scene are great. And good beer. LOL. None of that watered down crap like the Americans sell....LOL.... I never knew Konami stopped making games for the X-BOX. That's a big blow if that's true. The Japenese market is luke warm to the idea of Microsoft to begin with, so it will be a upward battle for them in this area. AND TO LOSE ONE OF THE BIGGEST Japense developers in the console market is a big blow. But one thing you can say about Bill and Co.....They don't give up.

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The official word is that Konami of Japan won't be publishing games for the xbox anymore. They've cancelled all upcoming games for the xbox in Japan (including metal gear solid 2:substance). Metal Gear will still be released in other territories, since I'm guessing the game is already complete and it would be a waste not to release it, and the North American market isn't so bad with the xbox. I'm still not sure if future konami games will be released on xbox in North America and Europe though. But in Japan there are absolutely no more konami games on xbox.

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I don't know very many Austrailians, but your obviously making them look bad (god's hitman). Obviously DR.DEATH is right about almost everything he has said, and you just keep saying he has no idea what he's talking about, just for...well actually I don't realy know why you keep saying that, but anyways. Hey Docter, where the heck are you getting all of these games? Unreal, and battlefield, aren't even out here. As for warcraft 3 I didn't even know it was coming out for xbox. I am assuming your getting these from where you work (oh and as well as blinx), where do you work anyway? I live in bc and I those games aren't out here yet. Oh and as for what microsoft needs to do with the xbox, it's already been said here a couple times, so. I don't think capcom is publishing doa or any others that were xbox exclusive (if there are) for any other consoles. I think they're pretty tight. Oh, the same guy that got doa3 for xbox, was working on getting final fantasy (still) for xbox. Man, squaresoft and xbox... oooooooohhhh, damn thad be nice looking. Or I guess even for pc, ffXI. As for Rare, they weren't making to many games for nintendo if any obviously, but I know that they are going to make all the classics for xbox. So I just think that they will be better with xbox that's all. Imagine Perfect Dark, yay.

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Wheres BC?????? Brittish Colombia?Newayz wat the hell ur talkin about1) WC3 is not coming 2 X Box. If ur reffering 2 him sayin "bringing some Boxes over, he meant PC towers2)FF, on X Box, i think not. Where the hell u get that from? Thats like sayyin Mario on X Box. It wont happen. Square is reluctant 2 work with GC, no way would they work with M$. Maybe when M$ sell say 15-20 million X boxes, but FF has status in Japan (well everywhere else as well) but the X B is goin poorly in japan ATM and even Konami wont produce 4 em, im 100% certain that Square aint producin FF for X Box. I dont know if thats wat u meant but man ur gramma and spelling is bad - worst than mine.3) Capcom dont publish DOA. As 4 it bein ported 2 ne other console, i havnt heard any of that.4)A classic requires a solid franchise or noticeable name - well most of the time. PD isnt considered a "classic" even though its an excellent game. It wasnt revolutionary and it didnt have a strong recognisable name - until now, but GE was a classic since it sold mre and the Bond franchise sold. But i dont really think that X Box and Rare would b "better" since Rare usually got much support from nintendo (well used 2) and Nintendo is undoubtly one of the best developers in the computer game world, with ID, Blizzard and others.Oh and DRDEATH, i wanna visit Vancouver cause Kristen Kruek (Lana from smallville) lives there, and im in love with her!!!! :) Uill see me in the paper as a stalkeroh and finally about Aussies - well we are a bit arrogant (look at Howard and him sending the Aussie "defence force" of 5 ppl to attack Iraq) but we aint bad ppl. Arrogant - yes (well not as bad as Yanks) but we aint bad.

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Egor, my man i was refering to the PC. However, i got a copy of Blinx for the X-BOX and played it. I work for a software developement firm that specializes in PC and console games. Also PC and console components. It's called BEAMSCOPE LTD. And we get copies of games sometimes before they are released to the mass public. PC and console alike. Also i have a good friend that works for ATI Technologies and he will often come across some Alphas of PC games....Such as DOOM3. Which i have. Runs very choppy. Unreal Championship will be released soon for the X-BOX. I am hoping to get a copy of that when it's released. pOO, you will love Vancouver. The mountains are something to see. Drive through the frazier canyon and bring a camera. It's short of amazing. I Did it this summer on my GSXR750. Wicked! Egor lives there he can tell you how sweet that province is. And it does not get overly cold in the winter....I will add this....The X-BOX can kick major A** if it can get more people to buy it's boxes and in turn attract more Japenese developers. If it can do this. Then Sony and Nintendo will have a tough ride in the future......

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