Infinity Ward admits CoD players aren't gamers


In a revelation that isn't news to anyone, but is interesting to hear from the horse's mouth, Infinity Ward producer Mark Rubin said in an interview with OXM, that he doesn't think there will be any big changes with the next-generation of Call of Duty games. Why? Because the fans of the game aren't hardcore gamers.

"It's kind of a weird, ironic thing to say," Rubin said "They aren't hardcore gamers, or even gamers, but they play Call of Duty every night. And those guys are going to continue to play regardless of platform. So I think not only will we continue to engage with that existing player base, but we'll take next gen and see how far we can go with it."

He didn't go as far as to describe them as casual gamers, but we know what he's talking about. I'm sure we all have friends with Xbox 360s and PS3s and the only real games they buy them for are Call of Duty and FIFA - or for you Americans, your comparable sports title.

Compare that to the average PC gamer, who may play a lot of League of Legends, but chances are they have experience in RTS games, or puzzlers, perhaps a few shooters thrown in the mix. Likewise a lot of console gamers are multi-faceted, but there's definitely a veneer of console casuals that stick to the jock-like titles: sports and the blockbuster shoot'em ups without much of a skill curve.

Ultimately Rubin said, Infinity Ward can't change that much about Call of Duty, or it would end up alienating its players base.

Not too surprising a revelation, but what do you guys make of it?

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Why is cod even an eSport?

apparently cod turned into an esport which is completely dumb because it is a community of players who play all night not train to be the best its also full of trickshotters which i have nothing against it but its dumb to be an eSport

Fucking ridiculous.

So you infer, from the company saying that they don't think of them as gamers, that they're shit? CoD may not be the best game out there, but it's not the fucking devil's game. Quit being such assholes about it.

Sure, but you're american too

Canadians are americans too - which continent you think you are in? I'll tell you - America. It's more correct to say not all americans say soccer (all countries in south of USA say futebol or futebole depending on spanish or portuguese) than to claim Canadians are not american too


I think the article has some things right in which ive a lot of mates and know others who just own the new Battlefeild or COD and is only game they play eva never anything is else. If that's the reason that the games never got any better then it's good to know cos wont buy anymore. It's a fun game yes but always being the same stops the play more than not

Gamer or not?

I've been playing Call of Duty since Cod 1 and United Offensive came out back when I was 6. I can honestly say I'm a hardcore gamer moving from PC to Playstation 1 to Xbox 360 and recently back to PC. I've played every CoD and owned every one but MW1 and 2. I'm still a hardcore gamer though due to my 300 game library on steam. I play Call of Duty a ton but I still have a huge variety of games all of which I love and play often. So what if people play CoD a lot, they can still be gamers.


How do you play CoD for so long and miss out on MW1? A game which genuinely re-defined the console shooter and is all-around considered the best installment and STILL considered a brilliant game to this very day. Which is more than can be said for the rest of the series.

doesnt refer to you then, bro.

they mean the majority of players, buy a system just for call of duty, buy all the call of duty's and nothing else, where as true gamers such as yourself would play a large variety. I know a few COD addicts that wont play anything but.

Then you clearly aren't part

Then you clearly aren't part of the majority that play CoD, true there are hardcore gamers like you who just love the series instead of playing it because of how mainstream it is, but a vast majority of the CoD player base is literally just playing it because so many other people are.

Da fuq

Think of being a gamer as a profession. A real/hardcore gamer can go into a game(I'll just throw in Wolfenstein since I just played that) they have never played, play it on the hardest difficulty, struggle a bit, get used to it and not struggle, find a few easter eggs on their own and beat the game within its est. play time. A "gamer" who only plays CoD will go into a game like Wolfenstein and play on the easiest difficulty, maybe struggle(depends) and not find a single easter egg(without looking it up), then finish the game.


Who decided what defines a "Hardcore gamer"? It's more of a oppinion then it is a fact. I play games for my own entertainment and i don't care if i'm called a "Hardcore gamer or a "Noob". It's just a freakin game so why point something like that out while making money out of it. That's the attitude you get when people make lots of money. they start talking about things that doesn't mean sh*t. Rubin is nothing more then a arrogant richy rich asswipe.

Well its true

Call of duty players, arent gamers, because the game is so easy, it has nothing to understand, its a game with "follow the green arrow" or "just run around in circles in hope to kill someone". Call of duty and fifa arent good games, they are total crap. A good gamer is the one that plays more than a variety of games, not just shooters and sports, because you are being a lazy ass and there is nothing you need to think about, like oh there is a guy *shoots him*, cod is bad for your mental state, and I bet most of the people in the comments will say "cod is an awesome game you fuck head" and that is the language you learn in cod. Everyone that plays cod will defend it, even though its a shitty game with no need to think or solve puzzles.

Obviously you know nothing

Obviously you know nothing about competitive cod lol. Get off your high horse and stop thinking you're special because you stay away from mainstream first person shooters. You're probably upset because you suck at pubs on cod and manage to barely go positive. Try playing comp. Not as complex as DOTA or LoL, but it requires more of a brain than you have <3


some people say this to make the gamers have a hard time not sleeping or taking a bath for 2 days is already hardcore this company wants to kill the gamers why would they do that if they are making money


anything to distract from the fact that you almost KILLED the COD franchise with your shitty ghosts game. it now sells brand new in stores for $20. lol tell us about that.

lol, what?

I really don't see the point of all this arguing. If you play a game a few times a week for a few hours each session, then you're a game. A casual one, at best. To me, the hardcore gamers are NOT the ones who play hours upon hours at a time. A hardcore gamer, to me, is someone who plays games which requires timing and planning. For example: World of Warcraft. If you just play for fun for a few hours and aren't trying so hard to be the best or even on of the best, then you're just a gamer. Hardcore games om WoW are the ones who have raids planned out, ready-to-go groups of PvP, and are ready to join/lead people in a rather large event. Another example: CoD. I LOVE CoD and I play it quite a bit, but I'm just a gamer. Hardcore (COD) gamers (IMO) are the ones who rally their clan mates to do something like Clan Wars or make sure everyone gets the update for new maps and whatnot just to get ready for the next Clan Wars. As for me, I just like it because I find it fun. Hell, even BF4 was fun for me; I just wasn't all that good. IMO, a gamer is someone who has fun gaming. A hardcore gamer is someone who devotes plenty of their free time into being the best or one of the best.

Then what is a real gamer?

I think if you play video games, you're a gamer. Ive played video games since the 80's (and still do) and its been fun watching the evolution of gaming. COD is an excellent series, but to come out and say COD players aren't gamers... shame on you Infinity Ward. As games change, players change. And if you think about it, you created these players. What does that say about you?

No. Someone who plays a large

No. Someone who plays a large variety of games a large amount is a gamer. If you only play a few blockbuster games, no matter how much time you sink into a game, that doesn't make you a gamer. Who cares though? I'm a hardcore gamer. I work on designing games as a hobby (nothing commercial, just for myself). Personally, I don't have a problem with people who just enjoy CoD (even though I hate it). There's nothing wrong with that. The problem is when someone tells me they are a gamer, and I try to have a discussion with them, and it turns out their knowledge of gaming starts and ends at CoD. Just because you know about advil doesn't make you a doctor. So, just because you play one game a ton, doesn't make you a gamer. That's fine though. Who says you need to be?

used to play COD

So I used to play COD and yes, I liked it. (I started in MW2 which is still my favorite having never played the older ones) and then black ops. I tried MW3 and found it not to my tastes, the BO2 and still didnt like it. The first time I picked it up I had fun but after that it was just the same old game year after year. Then I tried Planetside 2 and never went back!


Eh, I think anyone who plays games for fun is a gamer. I'm not a COD fan, I prefer games with slightly longer story lines. In my eyes, a hardcore gamer is someone who challenges themselves in a game, for example nuzlocke challenges in pokémon, playing on (what do you know?) hardcore difficulty in multiple games WITHOUT dying hundreds of times, someone who really knows the ins and outs of a game, and can pick up a pistol and be good with it. Or can survive in Darksouls. There, that ought to settle it.

Look at halo. Change the game

Look at halo. Change the game too much and it fails. If it isn't broken don't fix it. You will never be able to please everyone. For the handful of ppl that are getting tired of the same game goodbye. More ppl will get involved and the ppl that use to play will cycle out. It's about money. Like I said Halo fell off because of too much change. As long as they are making an ass load of money on every game there will be no need to change the gameplay dramatically. I could honestly care less about how much it changes or doesn't . Seriously what more do ppl want? You can't really make it much more than it already is except add new weapons and streaks and perks which is what they do every new game. Gameplay wise I don't see how much they can really change it unless it just wont be call of duty anymore.

I don't like soldier-training

I don't like soldier-training games like CoD. Never did. I've enjoyed a few first person games; but they are all fantasy or sci-fi. I can agree with saying they aren't gamers. To me, a 'gamer' is someone who plays many types of video games, board games, and table top RPGs, like D&D. If you've only played poker, monopoly, and CoD, you're not a gamer, IMO.

I've been playing video games

I've been playing video games since I was about 6 and I admit I play cod and some of them are ok. Ghosts wasn't great. But really I found his statement really messed up. Our gamers aren't real gamers so were just gonna make the same shit over and over again and see how long we can get away with it. Wtf. Video games should always be improving, changing, adding new shit. It just sounds lazy. I really would like them to attempt to make a better campaign. Its super short for me and the fact that the antagonist takes a bullet... In a train... At the bottom of the ocean... And survives with enough strength to kidnap your character. I know it was meant to be a cliffhanger but it just felt fucking stupid...

CoD fans aren't gamers! they

CoD fans aren't gamers! they're proof that if enough fucking morons will piss $60 down the shitter drain, a shitty concept can be a cash cow. Some of my favorite franchises have been ruined because devs actually want to compete with this shit! They ruin gaming and discourage original and fun games when they put this shit out cockteasing other devs into making the same shit to dethrone the shit kings. Ghosts got the review the whole fuckin franchise deserved a long time ago. Mediocre bullshit!

I Agree

Most cod players aren't real gamers. To be a gamer you need to play multiple games of multiple genres. Not just the same game retextured and re sold every year. I only buy the new cods because it's a new title and it's still fun, but you don't need too much skill to play it.

Astute observation is astute

Not really snobbery, just very different types of people arguing over the same label. As someone who loves all kinds of games, including board games, hobby games, p&p rpgs, computer games, and console games. And someone who dabbles in the many many sub-genre within them (except larp, but hey nobody honestly likes everything). I find I generally have no common ground with people who play CoD. They say they are a "gamer" I say I am a "gamer" but our interests, motivations, strengths and weaknesses, values, likes, dislikes, lifestyle, culture, and so on and so forth have NOTHING in common. I think the point infinity was making was that they are in the business of making a "game" that appeals to the masses and have been successful at it, but they don't believe that they have really made converts of them into "gamers" (by their standard of the word) because if they broke formula and really mix things up or try something new(something they as "gamers" would probably desire to do), their customers would walk. Since that would only leave the niche "gamer" who probably already thinks little of them and their franchise they wouldn't have market base. A very astute observation.

H Ese Wars I completely

H Ese Wars I completely agree. Numerous times playing COD I will compare games with other players and only very seldom do I see a library as broad and diverse as my own. I have seen lists that are exclusively fps games, every iteration of Call Of Duty and usually the Halo games as well. Also, these same people don't even play the campaigns. It's sad but true, there is no need to push the envelope when there is an audience out there that will dutifully buy each installment without question.


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