Croteam Trashes Windows 8 Too

Windows 8 Croteam

Another game developer has come out against the "walled garden" of Windows 8's app system, saying that it really isn't good for PC gaming. This is one of several big names that has trashed the recently released OS, after Valve's Gabe Newell and Mojang's Markus Persson also voiced their disapproval.

“What you don’t see here is that, under the hood, the new tiled UI is a means for Microsoft to lock Windows applications into a walled garden, much like the one on iOS," said Croteam CTO Alen Ladavac on the Steam forums. One of the things he wanted to clarify the most was that while it seems like developers were perhaps overreacting and just not wanting to change OS, Windows 8 is a different beast than previous generations.

"One cannot release a tiled UI application by any other means, but only through Windows Store," he explained. "I cannot even begin to stress out just how horrible this idea is! There is no side-loading, except for corporate use inside one company, and that works only on the enterprise edition of Windows 8. Do we all understand what that means? You cannot download an application from the Internet and run it on your computer. You have to get it from Microsoft's store. Even if it is a free app!"

It would be ok if there wasn't any certification, he explained, but there is. So that lengthy wait for Xbox patches, that's all coming in the next Windows.

"Each app that you will get through the Windows Store will have to adhere to certain requirements imposed by MS. So far, we know that they've banned mature games, like Skyrim, CoD, and Serious Sam. They have forbidden modding. They could very well forbid Open Source if they want."

Apparently you'll still be able to get some applications on the basic desktop, but developers are worried that with Windows 9, everything will come through the app store or not at all.

Ultimately he said, "I'll skip on that one," suggesting that we won't see any Croteam games on Windows 8.

No doubt reports like this will see gamers stick with Windows 7 for some time, but as that begins to age and lose support, where can we go? With all the recent improvements in Linux support, maybe in a half decade we'll all be running that open source platform instead.

What do you guys think?

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I own an IT consulting firm. One of our responsbilities was to test and give our opinion on Windows 8, so we have quite a few machines running the new OS. There are a lot of places where we praise Windows 8 up and down and there are a few short comings. That being said one of the places we examined closely was gaming and how some of our clients would be affected by the new OS and the Windows Store. Essentially look at W8 like this... its two Operating Systems tied together. The one, being what used to be refered to as Metro, is cross platform: this means that if you make a program or find a program that can run on it, it will also run on your Windows Phone 8 and Windows RT Tablets, as well as full Windows 8 tablets and Windows 8 machines. The other portion is the desktop portion of Windows 8 (essentially a refined version of Windows 7 without the start bar, which if you miss can be added via third party applications.) Any desktop application CAN be added to the new interface, much like a desktop shortcut. The downside is that application does miss out, currently, on features such as resizing or live tiles (think of a weather app updating the forecast on its icon so you don't always need to even open it.) You can even customize the entire new UI in regards to what tiles are displayed, where they are displayed etc. Now, lastly and briefly, the windows store seems to be one of the biggest concerns and rightfully so. Keep in mind this store is basically Steam, but just pre-installed. You can remove the shortcut and never use it if you like. Just like Steam, there are certain rules and regulations for a program to make it into Windows Store and most of these programs are the cross platform ones, which is what this store is intended for. There are a number of desktop ones but IF I RECALL, they adhere to a slightly different set of rules then the cross platform ones. There are no, not certified warnings, if the app isn't availabe in the store. I run the latest version of Minecraft without issue despite Markus not wanting to certify it for the store. The only difference is instead of Minecraft being plastered in the Windows Store giving him more sales, I need to head over to Minecraft's website and download it just as I did on Windows 7, and guess what: it runs just fine. In short a lot of these devlopers ARE TRUELY overreacting if they are just trashing it, save some concerns or comments, especially the ones about the future which I will touch on in a moment. As it is right now, Windows 8 is just two Operating Systems tied together, one that is cross platform and one that isn't. The Windows Store tailors mostly to the cross platform and functions similarly to Steam or Google Play and thus has regulations to keep "quality' high, but this doesn't bar ANY desktop application from running without headache and ANY desktop application can still utilize the new interface albiet limited currently. For example I have Steam and Windows Store next to each other on the new UI, if i want Angry birds I open up WS and if I want Skyrim I open up Steam. The only valid point I'll give any of these people currently is for the future, if Microsoft decides to make the OS more closed and have static ads or tiles or whatever that can't be removed or crippling the desktop application side of things (basically if the rumors were true) then I would by all means **** Microsoft and not support the OS. That is not acceptable by any means. I know I didn't touch on all points made here, but I tried to touch what I felt was most important to the audience reading this article. If you want more information on our findings let me know and I'll post as much as I can. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

This is a good response to

This is a good response to the article, thanks for taking the time to write it out. You should submit this as an editorial on this site, and do some more write ups. In a lot of ways it mirrors my own opinion of Windows 8. As for the dynamic metro buttons, I am sure someone will figure out how to hack the interface to let us take advantage of it without having to use the Windows store. But ignoring metro, the OS is pretty solid, much quicker and less of a resource hog than 7. I didn't purchase Windows 7 because the amount of labor involved to strip the OS of the "Trusted Installer" embedded account (Needed for full control) at $80/hr which is a pretty average rate equals about the cost of the software. Looks like the same or more amount of labor is needed for Windows 8. By Windows 9, I suspect I'll be sending M$ an invoice for labor charges needed to actually own the product they are selling. :)


excellent idea, all developers should switch to Linux environment, in order to get more powerful experience. microsoft the worst ever was, the worst ever is and the worst ever will be.......


**** linux, and all of its bullshit. Its so ****** my friend can't even use teamspeak because of Linux, so all of us people who don't want to spend a few thousand hours trying to just make **** run properly will stick with sensible OS', like Windows 7.


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