AMD Challenges Nvidia Over The Graphics Crown

When Nvidia launched its latest GTX 590 graphics card, it released a video where it claimed that that this is the "world's fastest graphics card." On the other hand, AMD claimed that the world's fastest graphics card is in fact its Radeon HD 6990 and asked Nvidia to put its claims to the test.

"At AMD we pride ourselves on both the excellence of our products, and in the integrity of our messaging," AMD's PR boss Dave Erskine wrote on the firm's official blog.

"The AMD Radeon HD 6990 achieved the highest default single graphics card score of X3303 using the industry standard 3DMark11 benchmark. And when we launched it, we issued a press release in which we proudly called it the "World's Fastest Graphics Card" and fully disclosed the basis upon which we made that claim," he added.

"Our competitor [has] also issued a press release, announcing the launch of what they claim to be the "World's Fastest Graphics Card"- the Nvidia GTX 590. We combed through their announcement to understand how it was that such a claim could be made and why there was no substantiation based on industry-standard benchmarks."

"So now I issue a challenge to our competitor: prove it, don't just say it. Show us the substantiation. Because as it stands today, leading reviewers agree with us ... that the AMD Radeon HD 6990 sits on the top as the world's fastest graphics card."

Erskine followed his rant with several links to hardware reviews that prove his point.

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The difference between the

The difference between the two brands are marginal so it comes down to value. The last time I purchased a video card(a few months ago) I chose ATI because for the mid-range video card selections they had the best value, I think I saved around 20-30 dollars for equal performance. Although given the limited competition I like to support the weaker competitor because if one company surpasses the other in terms of a monopoly than quality weakens and prices skyrocket, so maybe next time I'll buy a Nvidia because ATI seems to be the market leader.

i prefer AMD cpu & nvidia.

i prefer AMD cpu & nvidia. intel is to expensive. AMD videocards don't interest me since i like CUDA and you can do more in CUDA than AMD direct compute but if you like both get a mobo that supports both so AMD dose the rendering and nvidia dose the physx but it's best to go for nvidia x60 or higher for physx. it's better to put your graphics on the lowist so thos parts last the longist and run the coolist but in reality it's all about having the best computer so you can have the best settings and it's not the size that count it's how you use it you could have a better computer then me but it's running slower then mine thats because you don't know how to fucking use it. it's best to have an external HDD back your shit up. take screen shots like startmenu. uninstall. browser add-ons. programs files. then format. reinstall windows. update. antivirus. download all your shit but keep it minimial so install only what you need and don't install benchmarks or tweaks or stuff you barley use because it clogs up the registrey and your HDD and takes longer to scan for viruses, etc.

what u r fighting for b!tches xD

nvidia was ruling once, but ati has come far from behind...i'll say they r on par...both have there pros n cons..who cares which 1 is the best...as long as we customers r benefiting from this war..it's totally fine for me :P; value for money wins for me :P:P ... wanna buy a card i'll just chk prices of the cards for the budget I hav n look at the Specs those cards hav and suiting my requirements...who cares about nvidia or ati (only fanboyz I think do ) xP

ati suc*** alot and .when u

ati suc*** alot and .when u chek the specs of ati card VS NVIDIA, ati was the winner.BUT ITS JUST NUMBER ON PAPER. i have 2 gtx 590 in sli and before 2 6990, and i can tell u GTX 590 NVIDIA beat ATI IN THE THOOTS.Dont trust the specs of a cards

though can i point out the difference in setting

though can i point out the difference in setting up a network on xp EASY on vista i lost count the windows poping up god knows windows 7 is based on vista but Bill what were you thinking. On a my mums laptop (shiver) networking "Your joking!" thinking of getting a 250gig (SSD) and I know should xp be installed the (OLD SCHOOL) click and wait would be replaced with a Rock solid Fast click click click NOT click___________Click you see bill there a more we can do on xp cause we DONT HAVE TO WAIT FOR A STINKING MOUSE!!!!

i have used both but ATI has too much to offer.

Can I start this in tellint the world my setups:
*media graphics 3D 4Mb linked to a 12mb overclocked voodoo2 ==== good voodoo card played Need For Speed PORSCHE and still works.
*geforce 4 mx440 se overclocked heatsink modded and nividias driver setup was easy to use and tweek.
*geforce 6800 windows booted but artifacts on desktop
so I sent it back.
*ATI 9600 pro didnt boot sent it back
*geforce 5200lp fully overclocked heatsink ram modd
I then swaped to my mums K8 AMD mainboard from my K7
xp2000+(overclocked) we both benefited
*geforce 6600gt 128mb ddr3 overclocked
than they updated there drivers from a nice user friendly GUI to a white large blindly bloond full screen blimp of a menu (shiver).
*ATI 1650 pro 512 mb clock:648 mem:891
and i like ati tool realy edvance tweaking and overclocking system, even Ati CCC menu though through xp i can breath easer thanks to the lak of geting impatient with the rightclick menu ppfppfppp lmfao
riva tuner "your joking"
and INTEl CEOZ Im a computer technician so I KNOW!!
I run most of my system fans off a second power supply thats 900watts more than enough to overclock my fsb to 222 and clock to over four gigs so i can play need for speed undercover which includes the HD MOD
to end this now i'm just gonna point out that intel chips have an bad name "the news said so" bad chips
apparently that just shows you can through as much money at something but that doesnt make it better

PS.The only thing that could dammage my ears would be sound system
A hum is a healthy hum for scilence can be deadly

Owned noob

what a bunch of lies its the opposite idiot Ati Benched their card vs the GTX 580 and guess what ATI GOT FUCKED HARD learn the facts noob i got a GTX 470 and i play evrey game on this earth with the graphics Maxed Out and no lag at all GG OWNED i rest my case any comments sent em to my email m_a_x39@hotmail.com

i have used both but Nvidia has too much to offer.

i have to say Nvidia maybe fast in some area's and ati too but i seen Nvidia cards last longer offer more usefull tech where ATI is still trying to push there streaming procs and such i do not know many games or apps that support them Nvidia has more instruction sets then ATI thus it will work on a wider range of aplications also Benchmarks them self's can be Biased the only real test would be a hardware test and most people cant do that, so i have always looked at the Tech behind the cards Nvidia has less Procs at high clock ATi has more procs at lower clock same speed as its GPU, Nvidia also has a dedicated Video proc Ati might have this but i played many games and watched movies while playing games off line online and looked closely no difference, As for cpu's i trust intel especially on Servers i could not justify spending big money on a AMD server when i know there will be some problem down the track as for that computer builder with his comment it worx, well i supply 1000 of Clients all use Nvida on Intel system using many different apps no problems some of these rigs are 5 years old and can still do what they where intended to do, my oldest rig that i own and still use is a Intel PII 600Mhz with 256Mb SDRam and i still use it as a Firewall for home AMD i ask what CPU have you got from that time that works?
but in all fairness i will say the Sparc Proc from sun was way ahead in tech as its mem controller was built on the cpu and it was 64bit back in PIII days using DRR ram i wish they still made proc's they run super fast on linux.
oh yes one other thing has anyone put nvidia next to ati on same LCD screen same res with the same game?
take a close look you be surprised at the difference.

i think people like amd because they not have money or there under the belief that they save money well in the short term maybe in long term no way.

Well if semi-literate morons like Intel/Nvidia,

then I'd be inclined to stick w/AMD. My Radeon 4850 has yet to run a game that requires anything but high settings @ 1280x1024, 4xAA & 4XAF. It does run hot though & a buddy of mine had an ATI card catch fire once. Nvidia has also had it's share of heat problems. I've had games suffer from graphical anomalies on both brands. AMD CPUs work as good or better than Intels. Even if they didn't last as long, why would that matter when most people are upgrading long before potential failures anyway? Processors fail due to manufacturing defects, not inferiorities. Defects occur in all processes, from all companies & sometimes slip by QC to the EU. I remember a time, P3/P4 era, when Intels only answer to AMDs ingenuity was to keep cranking clock speeds. I've had no discernable problems w/AMD & the only reason I have an Intel in my latest system is because the AMD selection @ my shop @ the time was not very good, probably because everyone bought them instead of Intel & for good reason. Intel fans are brand whores that like it because it's got the name or the price or the moron down the street has it & thinks he's awesome. For me, it has to be good because it's good, not because some buttnut says so.

The real issue is, why the fuck would I give a shit who's got the fastest card when my 4850, 2 generations old, still continues to be overkill? What I wanna see is AMD & Nvidia giving me one single half decent reason to buy a new card, 'cuz current console ports w/shitty console graphics don't demand that much power. AMD, I don't give a shit if you've got the fastest card, your 4850 does just fine. What I do care is that Nvidia is the only one that @ least for me, has done anything to enhance the gaming experience & do it in a way that might require a bit more potent hardware & that is the development & implementation of a robust & functional 3D vision system, which is even more desirable in a gaming platform than one for watching movies. It adds a new level of immersion & it's something they've done well that you haven't. I know you have your little multi-display gimmick, but I'd rather have one big fucking HD TV instead of 3 small monitors dividing the overall viewing area into 3rds & I'll bet I can buy a 40" 1080p TV for less, & it's a TV. Get w/the program guys, I like my first experience w/ATI so far but if you don't do something to up the level of gaming graphics I'm not buying anything I don't need & if you don't get on the 3D vision bandwagon my next card will be Nvidia.

Well if semi-literate morons like Intel/Nvidia,

then I'd be inclined to stick w/AMD. My Radeon 4850 has yet to run a game that requires anything but high settings @ 1280x1024, 4xAA & 4XAF. It does run hot though & a buddy of mine had an ATI card catch fire once. Nvidia has also had it's share of heat problems. I've had games suffer from graphical anomalies on both brands. AMD CPUs work as good or better than Intels. I remember a time, P3/P4 era, when Intels only answer to AMDs ingenuity was to keep cranking clock speeds. I've had no discernable problems w/AMD & the only reason I have an Intel in my latest system is because the AMD selection @ my shop @ the time was not very good, probably because everyone bought them instead of Intel & for good reason. Intel fans are brand whores that like it because it's got the name or the price or the moron down the street has it & thinks he's awesome. For me, it has to be good because it's good, not because some buttnut says so.

The real issue is, why the fuck would I give a shit who's got the fastest card when my 4850, 2 generations old, still continues to be overkill? What I wanna see is AMD & Nvidia giving me one single half decent reason to buy a new card, 'cuz current console ports w/shitty console graphics don't demand that much power. AMD, I don't give a shit if you've got the fastest card, your 4850 does just fine. What I do care is that Nvidia is the only one that @ least for me, has done anything to enhance the gaming experience & do it in a way that might require a bit more potent hardware & that is the development & implementation of a robust & functional 3D vision system, which is even more desirable in a gaming platform than one for watching movies. It adds a new level of immersion & it's something they've done well that you haven't. I know you have your little multi-display gimmick, but I'd rather have one big fucking HD TV instead of 3 small monitors dividing the overall viewing area into 3rds & I'll bet I can buy a 40" 1080p TV for less, & it's a TV. Get w/the program guys, I like my first experience w/ATI so far but if you don't do something to up the level of gaming graphics I'm not buying anything I don't need & if you don't get on the 3D vision bandwagon my next card will be Nvidia.

AMD's turn to be on the rise

Since AMD buyout/merger with ATI, the whole world has seen QUALITY products from them. Look at these silicon 'jewels' they make!!

It's time to tell 'other companies' that it's their turn to swallow the red pill - the same pill 3DFX was made to swallow years before. Where are the 3DFX know-how and technologies?? Vanished in thin air?? LOL.

Today we can find CHEAPER cards from AMD, FASTER and consuming LESS electrical power (no such expensive bills) AS PROVEN by accurate tests. Isn't it gr8?

Just like AMD... and even more fanboys to jump on the bandwagon

They state that they got the highest score in ONE benchmark and then asked Nvidia to prove the statement so they have to pay to do the test, instead of releasing actual figures or testing. else they would have gone to court if they had a case...

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There... both cards, put head to head at bench clocks... some the one wins, some the other one wins... pretty much a close tie, well almost, the Nvidia leads by small margin, but only for the total of these tests, other sites might have the ATI ahead.

Secondly, most benches on all sites are done on huge rigs with a massive variation of gear, manufactures and drivers. Bios, firmware, configurations and DRIVERS especially play a huge roll as all real gamers know.

Thirdly, it depends on the game company and how they design the game as in many cases we see one card dominate certain games and other way around.

Reason for the long post are fanboys rants without facts is just meaningless.

nVidia shouldn't be allowed to make gCard's

I think nVidia shouldn't be allowed to make gCard's.

I build PC's for a living, and nearly all of my Gamer Clients have been comverted to Radeon fans, nVidia's cards just simply expire after a while... Even years ago when AGP cards will still fresh on the market, the nVidia cards would make funny marks on the screen(time to replace), the Radeon card is still somewhere around here, and guess what!! it still Worx!

Think I've made my point...

not so

I've been building computers since before AGP even existed (oh the days of PCI or even the older ISA video cards with 1 to 4 mbs or memory). I have to say I've NEVER seen one of my builds display funny marks on screens or need replacement parts. They last until the owner gets a new one years later(many years later for a few people). Fast gpus require steady air flow and free space if you're not using liquid cooling. Its not just fit cards into slots and connect the wires and cables. Also, gcards... lol

yes because anyone is going

yes because anyone is going to trust someone who 'builds computers' and calls them 'gcards' and says things like 'worx'... wow you saved yourself for typing 1 extra key, was it really worth it? personally I prefer Nvidia but I've used both and will continue to do so in the future as neither company can nor will ever stay on top for ever. also I've been using Nvidia cards ever since the release for the 8800GTX I've had 3 different generations of cards, all in sli. not one single of those cards, have ever failed, or given me any trouble.

megagames huge nvidia cock suckers

megagames has always been huge nvidia cock suckers ever since the old days when it was ATI graphics and fully owned by a Canadian company. Even now that its a 100% American owned company they still show bias to nvidia. The megagames author can suck my cock. On another note, both cards are similar, but the 6990 has a higher 3d mark score which means........that with driver updates it will do better in games than the 590 gtx.

"but the 6990 has a higher 3d

"but the 6990 has a higher 3d mark score which means........that with driver updates it will do better in games than the 590 gtx. " theres absolutely no substantial basis for that ever. 3d mark.... its included in benchmarks because it exist and to keep whiny kids appease NO one worth their grain of salt quotes synthetic benchmark numbers, why? because they're just that synthetic. every game runs different and drivers can only do so much. in the end both cards are amazing and both are expensive and NEITHER of them win in every single game. sticking to just one brand is retarded, and how you fail as a consumer

who cares

like it matters which one is faster when most PC games being released are just terrible ports from a console. Until we get some decent PC exclusive games coming back then theres no point in this graphics war.

fuck nvidia they have been

fuck nvidia they have been bitches lying all over the place this last few months saying crysis 2 will be directx 11 and that they have the best card out, you know what when i had an ati card last that was built by amd it worked longer and fucked up less than any other nvidia card i ever owned except for this latest one i have the geforce 560 ti gtx. but it still fucks up. just not that much.

I kind of agree with AMD on

I kind of agree with AMD on this move, if you want to support your claim, back it up with solid results, like they did, and at the time when AMD posted their "Worlds fastest GPU" claim, it was in fact the fastest GPU on the market, which they supported with benchmark results, now it's time for nVidia to do the same.

Meh

Both NVIDIA and AMD sell expensive cards that aren't that fast in real life. I mean, they are fast, but it's not like you can play every game maxed out with constant 60 FPS, at the time of launch of the card. Until I get that constant 60 FPS on every game maxed out at 2560x1600, I would still consider the card expensive and not really fast. However that's my point of view. I really wouldn't buy any of these cards.

You're a dope.

You think that just because benchmark tests are done @ those resolutions that it's the new standard?

Why the fuck would you ever need to go that high? Especially w/4xAA+? Mid-high level cards 2 gen's old run pretty much every console port or otherwise maxed out @ a decent res'.

not meh

"but it's not like you can play every game maxed out with constant 60 FPS"

Yes you can, just ditch the resolution. If you do that and your pc still can't do max graphics with the highest end gpu available then you either have crappy components (cpu/ram/hd) or you just suck and keeping your pc running smoothly (that's a huge factor actually). If you just want to pop a game and play without having to worry about maintenance or tech you're using the wrong platform, that's what consoles are for.

Get a life AMD...

Nvidia wins this one, not with sheer power, but by making a clean product that won't incinerate everything around it and pierce your eardrums. Anyone who has the money to buy these things has seen the benchmarks and knows the 6990 is more powerful, but they're still going the buy the 590. I'm one of those people...

Get a life AMD.

"Nvidia wins this one, not with sheer power, but by making a clean product that won't incinerate everything around it and pierce your eardrums."

You mean like the GeForce FX series did?

Baaa Baaaaaaa

Wow, you just defined "Fanboy".
The Amd 6990 is cheaper AND faster than the Nvidia 590, but you're still going with Nvidia?
I agree that both companies have had their driver issues in the past, but at this point in the game you're only cheating yourself choosing one of the other based on the brand name.

Enjoy sheep!

Not so impartial

"Erskine followed his rant" - Be careful megagames, your bias is showing... challenges are very different from rants.

On topic, I'm interested in comparing the benchmarks and specs for both high end cards, sure one won't have that much of an advantage over the other but its fun to watch them fight over a meaningless title. Meaningless? Absolutely, affordable cards sell, not extra expensive cards.

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