ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

As the Intel Developer Forum drew to a close visitors were left with a strange feeling that they had not seen all there is to see from the two major graphics rivals. Both were very loud and made sure everyone knew that their PCI Express cards will be the fastest and both, ATI and Nvidia, had cards with the coveted bus even though compatible mainboards are not expected before early summer.
The shouting about PCI-E was definitely not the main topic of conversation however, which as you might expect was how the two firms will do once their new chips are released.

The absence of any physical evidence of the NV40 and R420 and the way in which both companies chose not to officially mention those chips were the real reasons behind any visitor disappointment. To fill the gap both companies had their PR machines working overtime with strange rumors and details surfacing of how each company would definitely come out on top this time round.

Strangely enough, the most convincing whispers seemed to come from the Nvidia camp which seemed extremely confident that the NV40 will rule supreme once both chips are released.

Pure hype or is there some truth to the claims? We will have to wait until CeBit in Hannover, Germany, (18 to 24 March) when both companies are expected to preview, in some physical form or other, their newest offerings.

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ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

Nvidia rules over ATi for the one reason, there drivers accaully work and is easyer to use and overclock and if your a noob go for ati all there going to do for you is give you better dx9 were everyone knows opengl use right is 10x better

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

both chips are almost the same (spec-wise) so the real fight will be with tweaking / drivers. On the tweaking side, since ATI has their final chip ready, they can tweak the F*ck out of it for a few months while nVidia tries to get their prototype working. Driver side, right now both companies are pretty equal, so this should remain the same with PCI-E. Whoever says ATI drivers suck are stuck back in 1999.. Get with the times and ride the ATI wave! :D

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

I had an ATI card on my old system, and it performed very well. My current machine has an Nvidia card in it and it too performs very well. I'll wait for the reviews. Always wait for the reviews, especially when purchasing high-dollar hardware!

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

"Neither card was shown, but several people who would be familiar with both have said Nvidia is going to come back very strong soon. The word 'own' was bandied about, as in Nvidia will own ATI. Not sure what it means, but CeBit should be a very interesting show" - The InquirerWar drums have been played loudly. Both will bring their latest and most powerful weapons to war. Each backed up with legions of loyal supporters behind them. This great war will once again decide the fate of many and the future of their world... It has begun.

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

GO ATI!!! All I have to say is, I REALLY wonder what I'm gonna do cause I got a brand new and nice PC in August, and dun have PCI-E, So how am I expected to upgrade? This sucks if there is no way to do this. Currently, I have an ATI Radeon 9800 PRO 128MB

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

ATI R420 A12 silicon ready - shock[url removed] LEARNED TO our amazement that ATI has production silicon for its flagship R420 chip. This is, apparently, a closely held secret and the card design is close to its final phase."Looks like a race.......

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

If Nvidia had really the technology to overcome ATI power, why not have used it to beat the 9700 from the beggining instead of launching crappy FX cards that could neither do it. Thats why i dont think they are making it now, all of this noise about Nvidia NV40 being better than R420 its just noise, i dont think they have has much time working with it than ATI, they were just losing time trying to make their FX work.Thats why ATI have their cards almost ready, and thats why i think Nvidia is going to launch some high overclocked new chip with all this powerfull things that would simply come with lots of bugs claiming they are the best.

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

BS BS and more BS. Anon, your ass can take a seat and tell ur stories to 1st graders, because the 1st graders obviously wont care as much as we don't about your BS'y ass story about your Radeon 9800. u know ur a FX5200 wishing you could sell all ur junk for the 9800.nVidia has done well in the past and has known how it's like to be "champion". although ATI is currently the faster competitor, i believe it'll meet its match with it's next line up of VPUs.all in all...these 2 companies have nothing to WoW us over. the XT series ATI currently has will be adequate for the next year or so.

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

Nvidia can never hold any secrets while ATI can. Between the sad PR department at Nvidia that cooks up stories and all the leaks, the whole world and competition finds out about the NV40 months and months before the release. We still have no real facts about the R420. ATI keeps their cards close to their chests. Smart business move.

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

"Of course, it wouldn't be an NVIDIA driver update without some outrageous performance claims, so how's this? Compared to its 53.03 driver release, NVIDIA claims up to 108% better performance in F1 Challenge on the GeForce FX 5200 and 5900XT, and up to 48% more FPS in Neverwinter Nights on a 5950 Ultra. If you think this driver is going to make your FX 5200 into a Giant of Gaming, though, we need to talk."-TechReport.com-Just like Nvidia's PR claims of powerful driver performance increases, PCI express and all of the other press releases. Nvidia loves to stretch the truth about it's products. In the case of Nvidia, i will wait until the product is released and not paper launched.....

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

These guys dont know what they are talking about, ATI had best cards for only 2 years and all of a sudden they think ATI is the shit! Well ATI is actually shit, and Nvidia could overpower them anytime! Nvidia have better technology, and for those of you assholes who think the 9800XT is fast, try the FX5950 overclocked! It will kill the 9800XT since the 9800XT is simply a 9800pro OVERCLOCKED! You ATI fanboys is full of shit! and dont really know much about both companies to begin with! I wont be suprised to see Nvidia release their new cards and totaly own ATI, make them and you guys look like complete assholes.

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

STFU STUPID NVIDIOTS EVERY HARDWARE REVIEW ARE UNAMOUS ATI 9800 SERIES OWNED ALL YOUR STUPID CARD SO STFU AND MOVE FOR THE BEST PRODUCT.ATI WIN IN MORE THAN 80% OF BENCHMARK .3DMARK AQUAMARK.................NVIDIA BEST CARD FOR DX 7

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

I'm sorry to sa that, but right now Nvidia is all talk no show. At least ATI is keeping things cool. Let's hope Nvidia brings something better this time around, than the Fx range verus the 9XXX Radeons, cuz if they dont, I seriously think they'll be in deep crap. Watch out Nvidia dont be too c**ky...

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

"Nvidia can never hold any secrets while ATI can."Dumba$ss, ATI was responsible for the first Doom3 Alpha leak. Think before you speak.Even though I have a ATI 9800 I believe NVIDIA is going take the crown back over. I Don't believe they are messing around with this one.

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

ATI and all their fans are the ones getting c**ky. NVIDIA is trying to get back to where they started." do you think the 5950 is ??? It is also a f**king OVERCLOCKED! version of the 5900 "You dont think the 9800 pro and the 9800xt has any real difference besides overclocking?!!

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

Good god Wyatt, i am pretty sure he meant the secrets about ATI's up coming GPU's and software, not other companies. Nvidia can never keep the lid on their up coming products. Info is always leaked from inside sources. ATI has been doing a good job of keeping the lid on it's products since the 8500."Nvidia have better technology..."V3rT0 please tell us what better "technology" Nvidia has in the FX line over the R3xx chips? This should be a good laugh. Because all that so-called "technology" from Nvidia has turned out to be a waste of silicon.Let me name some of that so-called technology:128bit true color(FP32): Problem: Nvidia never runs any game in it. It's too slow. This is why they run all their current games and past games on FX chips in FP12 and FP16. Which is not even close to 128bit true color.CineFx: All hype to the point where most developers do not even use it anymore as it takes 3 times as long compared to ATI coding. And with all that it has been found to offer nothing in IQ or performance advantages over ATI cards. Case in point. Dawn Demo. Nvidia claimed in a world-wide press release that only Nvidia FX cards with CineFX could run the dawn demo. ATI cards ran it. And ran it faster with better IQ.And why in almost every case the 5900, 5950, 5800 are still 2 slot soltuions when ATI cards running on a larger Die-Size is only a 1 slot solution. And DX9 support? We all know the answer for that one. Nvidia FX cards fail miserabely when it comes to that. And they claim to have the best DX9 support??Plain and simple: The FX line of chips was a failure for Nvidia. Hopefully the NV4xx chips prove to be better. Maybe this time they will follow Microsofts D3D standard. Which brings me to this last point: For a great "technology" like CineFx, Nvidia has abandon it with this next generation of cards.

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

V3rT0 you are a real winner. Total tool. Have you seen the bench results for a over-clocked 5950? Just go to any website when they review a 5950 card. It still is not as fast as a 9800XT when they do comparisons side by side. The only games the 5950 beats the 9800XT in are old OpenGl games like Quake3 engine titles. Even games that have the "Way It's Meant To Be Played" run slower on Nvidia cards. And this is so true when runnign Pixel Shader intense games and DX9 games. MaxPayne 2 anyone? Get your facts straight before you post. FX cards have a slower shader engine then ATI cards. Proven time and time again. Only Nvidia fanboys to this day still do not believe. Wait until more pure dx9 games come out and you have a 5900, 5950, then you will know.

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

I run an FX 5200 ultra, and as I said in previous posts, it's no hot rod, but I'm playing Max Payne 2 in 1024x768x32 and it runs smooth as silk!! No lag, no chop. But thats an ULTRA. Do not waste your money on a non ultra 5200. It's a slug. I think your 8500 is the better card. However, the FX 5200 Ultra can be found for well under $200.00. It all depends on what else you have in your computer. My 5200 Ultra runs like a champ, but I also have 512mg pc3200ddr on a 400mhz fsb ASUS motherboard which supports 8xAGP. Plus 3 high volume case fans, and a huge all copper heat sink with another high volume fan on the CPU, because speed causes heat, and heat kills computers! Like I said, it's no hot rod, but all my games look fantastic (have you seen the "Far Cry" demo? Looks good on my rig.). But to answer your question, stay with the card you have until you can afford the ultra. Besides, prices will drop when the new chips are released. Thats the time to buy.

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

Ugh, enough with the arguing. I love nVidia as much as any other person who loves nVidia (ok, so I didn't really have anything else to compare that to), but some people here make me ashamed to say that. And a lot of ATi fans are making themselves look just as stupid. People need to look at the facts for a moment.nVidia started out as a small VGP company going up against the well established 3dfx. During this time period, it was pretty much a make or break industry. nVidia gets the jump on 3dfx and releases a superior card. 3dfx folds under the pressure, and nVidia take the crown.Then enter ATi, another small company with big dreams. The market is a bit more stable, so their initial failures (compared to the available nVidia cards) still keep them in the game. ATi runs into a lot of problems with their drivers, which keep them from giving nVidia any real compition. ATi goes through some changes, correcting mistakes, and spends a lot of time developing their next line of cards.During this time, nVidia is riding comfortably with their GeForce 3 line and are a little late on getting the GeForce 4 line out. ATi gets better initial reviews, and a lot of people jump ship. The GeForce 4 line still holds true, and nVidia stays in the lead. Then nVidia does something that ATi hasn't even dreamed of by developing a line of motherboard controller chips, and the nForce is born. Their first offering doesn't do so well, so they work really hard on developing the nForce 2 line. This causes their GeForce FX cards to perform pretty badly, and ATi takes the crown.Now, suddenly, everyone thinks that ATi is the best thing since sliced bread and ignores the fact that until now, nVidia has had the best cards on the market. But that's what happens when most of your development team is busy designing motherboards. And lets face it, anyone running an AMD based system knows that the nForce 2 chipset is the best on the market.Now nVidia has the nForce 3 fo

ATI Nvidia PCI-E Showdown

sorry for making this so long...Now nVidia has the nForce 3 for the 64bit processors, but they've also worked very hard on their new line of video cards. They improved the 5950 so that it performs on level with the 9800 series, and now they have moved on. The FX series is like that embaressing uncle everyone has. You know he's there, but you'd rather look ahead to the new additions to the family.And of course nVidia has released information about their new cards. They have a lot of people invested in their company, and after the FX line fell through, they have to make those people happy to keep up the funding.Right now, nobody knows how well either card will perform. And both should be available by the end of April, so it's not like one company is getting a jump on another. If ATi happens to have the better card, then good for them. They deserve it. But if nVidia has the better card, I think a lot of people are going to feel stupid for having judged too soon. Either way, I'll still probably buy both. I run a lot of computers in my house, and have two systems that I like to keep top of the line. One has an nVidia card, the other has an ATi. Granted, I play on the nVidia one more, but that's just my preference.Personally, I think everyone should be happy that neither company has gone the way of 3dfx. I mean, do you honestly think that either company would be working so hard to put out the best cards if it didn't have the competition? Either way, we win as long as both companies push each other to put out better products.

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