GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

"We have now established that nVidia's Detonator FX drivers contain certain detection mechanisms that cause an artificially high score when using 3DMark03. We have just published a patch 330 for 3DMark03 that defeats the detection mechanisms in the drivers and provides correct results." this is how Futuremark introduce their latest patch for their popular 3DMark03 software.

Saratoga, Calif.-based Futuremark issued a statement claiming that nVidia tweaked software needed to run its new GeForce FX 5900 chip, in order to distort performance in Futuremark's 3DMark 03 testing application. Futuremark is one of the leaders in software and services for performing PC benchmark tests.

According to Futuremark when the patch was applied a drop of as much as 24.1 per cent was observed in certain nVidia products, while competition products performance-drop stayed within the margin of error of 3 per cent.

An nVidia spokesperson said Since nVidia is not part of the Futuremark beta program (a program which costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars to participate in), we do not get a chance to work with Futuremark on writing the shaders like we would with a real applications developer. We don't know what they did, but it looks like they have intentionally tried to create a scenario that makes our products look bad.

ATI meanwhile are not too keen to capitalize on another, possible, embarassment for their rivals. ATI's Dave Baumann, partly in response to nVidia's statement said:
Despite still being a full Futuremark Beta member, ATI did not make it out of the report entirely unscathed either. There is a performance difference of about 8 per cent in Game Test 4, that accounts for about a 2 per cent difference in the final 3DMark03 score, between the new and old versions, indicating that although not visually different something was occurring on this particular test.

In order to add further validity to the importance of benchmarking tests ATI's Christ Evenden stated:
The 1.9 per cent performance gain comes from optimization of the two DX9 shaders (water and sky) in Game Test 4 . We render the scene exactly as intended by Futuremark, in full-precision floating point. Our shaders are mathematically and functionally identical to Futuremark's and there are no visual artifacts; we simply shuffle instructions to take advantage of our architecture. These are exactly the sort of optimizations that work in games to improve frame rates without reducing image quality and as such, are a realistic approach to a benchmark intended to measure in-game performance. However, we recognize that these can be used by some people to call into question the legitimacy of benchmark results, and so we are removing them from our driver as soon as is physically possible. We expect them to be gone by the next release of CATALYST.

What does all this mean however? Most knowledgeable gamers do not buy a card based, solely, on the score achieved in a benchmarking test. It is reliability, performance and value for money which usually determine which card is bought. Benchmark tests are mainly utilized in order to claim the performance crown, giving the bearer increased prestige and an advantage created by the publicity. All that cheating on tests will achieve is to render such tests useless and to create consumers who do not trust the manufacturers. Unfortunately, this time, the reputation of the biggest graphics chip manufacturers has been questioned and there is little chance that they will make it out of it without some doubt remaining in the publics mind. Doubt which can only be cleared by the release of solid, reliable and high quality products.

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GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

---They are purposely making bad situations for Nvidia(they could of used the NV30 path, thats probably why Nvidia left...)---They can't use Nvidia's path. As that path is full of artifacts and image irregularities. Nor can they accept using ANYTHING LESS THEN FP24.And Nvidia left because of the cards shader performance. They saw how it would perform and left. Dec2002. Final product release was in Feb2003. They tested there cards. And it plaed to ATI's offerings. f**king still does when you do shader game tests and shit. It's all coming to light now why they f**king bitched. Like tech said the future is pixel and vertex shader games. And this test makes the fx cards look like f**king shit compared to ATI cards that have slower clock speeds. Now you f**king bet the tests in doom3 ARE GOING TO COME INTO QUESTION ABOUT WHAT LEVEL THEY ARE RENDERING THOSE SCENCES IN COMPARED TO THE 9800PRO. Nvidia f**k up here. And they are f**king blaming everyone but themselves for keeping 3 vertex shaders instead of making it larger. Stop the f**king crying. And fix the problem.

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Hahahah.........you still talking about pixel shader & all the benchmark crap. What a total loser. What do you do for living - Looking porn all day in front of the computer? All you shithead talks about which graphic card is better than other. HELLO.....No one gives a sh*t. Those newer cards are too overpriced. The consumers only look at the reasonable price card. Instead of ga-ga over some non-sense. GET A LIFE. That also means you DRDEATH. You are the biggest loser here since you never have a woman in your life.

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

Another good source is to read FutureMarks actual audit findings on the cheating if you want more info.nVidia's drivers completely replace two shader engines, ignoring the ones that were programmed into the benchmark. If they "don't care" about the benchmark, why would they do this?Get a clue. nVidia DO care immensely about this benchmark since it is basically THE standard DX9 benchmark. How many others can you name?ATi on the other hand just rearranged the instructions to be in a different order. They still used all the same exact information and instructions. That's not cheating, but just in case, they let everyone know. nVidia won't do that. Therefore nVidia is worse in this situation.I can't believe how much of nVidia's BS you people will just accept without question.Facts:They care about the benchmark. It's the best DX9 benchmark around, period. They cheated. It is not a driver "Bug". Their GPU's don't handle new shaders very well.

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

I GOT A MESSAGE FOR ALL. YOU ARE ALL LOW CLASS MORON WHO NEVER GET LAID IN YOUR LIFE. MOST OF YOU ARE FAT & UGLY. NO CHICKS WANT YOU. ALL OF YOU ARE CHICK REJECT BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL TOO GEEKY TALKING ABOUT STUPID ASS GRAPHIC CARD.GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL. YOU REALLY NEED IT.

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

Who cares about FutureMarks anyway? They claimed they caught nVidia cheating but why do you believe them and why do you think they didn't patch it to cheat nVidia? Where is your brain? Just use your common sense. How much did FutureMarks pay you to write such news? You guys who believe this news are bunch of fat ass looser.

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

First the 5800 was not worth the wait for the king of cards and now they say that the 5900 caught cheating... I dont know what to believe but if this is true... nVidia is going to like bad...

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

FutureSucks, you are a moron. Don't believe FM. But every site now has run there OWN tests and found out that Nvidia did cheat. I's not just FM saying this now. Or Extremetech. It's almost every site now saying this. The proof is out now. It's no longer plain allegations. It has been proven. And there are screen shots at various websites to prove it. You morons who believe anything Nvidia says needs to stop listening to the marketing department. They got caught. The evidence is right there. And the reason they did it is finally coming out. Nvidia has a slower shader engine then ATI cards. And they cheated to cover that up. That's why they never wanted OEM companies to test the fx line of chips using 3dmarks2003. They knew well in hand how it would perform. And that's why they left the program in dec. just before 3dmarks2003 was to be released in feb. They knew. This is no conspiracy. All the proof is there in black and white and you Nvidiots will believe everything Nvidia tells you. How f**king sad you people are.

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

has interviewed Nvidia's European marketing manager, Adam Foat. They interviewed him down in Los Angeles when E3 was being held. It's a somewhat of a short interview but some interesting questions were answered including these two which I personally enjoyed.Q: GeForce FX 5900 Ultra There’s been a lot of talk about drivers being written for benchmark programs like 3DMark 2003. We asked Adam Foat about this.A: Even though we aren’t happy with 3DMark 2003 it has been necessary for us to adapt our drivers to the benchmark program, because it is used in comparisons everywhere. It’s not with our good will, as our driver team actually thinks adapting the drivers cuts down on the performance in the games. In spite of that, they have succeeded in getting better performance both places, said Adam Foat.Q: But what about the noisy fan, called FlowFX?A: The developers actually thought it was cool. They thought the gamers who bought high-end graphic cards wanted it to sound like a Ferrari, so the people around them could hear they had a cool card in their machine. I won’t hide the fact that I was very surprised when I heard the computer starting for the first time with the card installed.Wow, typical Nvidia marketing bullshit. When i saw this. I laughed. f**k Nvidia what happened to you guys. You guys are a f**king joke now.

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

hello, people, i have no clue if you have read that, Futurmarks shading that is used for benchmarking, some parts are build by ATI, and Nvidia doesn't even support this companey!don't you think that they will try to make Nvidia look bad... and the drivers are copyrighted and no one has the right to look at the codes or analyse them...secound of all, if the driver does this, these shows that how strong nvidia programers are to make this kind of drivers.Don't look at the results, for one reason:nvidia and ati drivers are totally functaning differently.right?

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Give please. A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon it adds up to real money.I am from Oman and , too, and now am writing in English, tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "The musky can be absorbed for entire person, proderin vs provillus."With love ;-), Tania.

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

what is with all the $h!7 about everyones sex life? is it really any of your business how often other people get laid? this forum is for talking about the megagames topics, not for trying to degrade each other... either dont post immature comments or go elsewhere

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come off it, carmack is full of it in this case. he can not say that what nvidia did was a cheat and then say what ati sis was an optimization. that is total bull. if a program is detected and then a rewrite of how something is done is called a cheat then that means ati cheated aswell, not just nvidia. yet carmack wants us to believe it isnt and people like dr death are defending that stance to the hilt. whatever you guys do then dont close that eye since its the only one you have.

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oh and not drawing objects that are not on screen or hidden IS an optimization. only morons like futuremark(how much more money can we make for worthless rubbish?) think otherwise. sadly they are gaining a braindead legion of followers who belive everything they say. sad, very sad.

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

>>>SSCREW, you need to read what Carmack and Tim Sweeny said in regards to cheating closely. It proves Nvidia cheated."Rewriting shaders behind an application's back in a way that changes the output under non-controlled circumstances is absolutely, positively wrong and indefensible.<<<Nowhere did i deny this. I aint sticking up for Nvidia. I am merely pointing out, the flaws of the Beloved benchmark FFS. ANd also, i said its a tweak, which tweaking programs can be classified as cheating, so its still not saying htey didnt cheat.

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>>>SSCREW, read the article from Tim Sweeny and John Carmack and at TechReport.com This whole issue is simple. They got caught. They cheated. The so-called optimizations Nvidia used altered performance. This has been shown AND proven not just by ExtremeTech. But by Hardopc.com TechReport.com And you need to read a little about this at TheInquirer.com They tell the whole truth about this. Nvidia cheated<<<I did read it. And carmack himself said that Nvidia can covert these things into 12bit/16bit and said that it loses absolutely no quality, graphcis loss etc. And is an Optimisation.

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

>>>nVidia's drivers completely replace two shader engines, ignoring the ones that were programmed into the benchmark. If they "don't care" about the benchmark, why would they do this?Get a clue. nVidia DO care immensely about this benchmark since it is basically THE standard DX9 benchmark. How many others can you name?<<<Thats not the f**ken point FFS. Alot of people base a card and its quality on Benchmarks. THey dont give two f**ks about this benchmark, they care for selling there cards. ANd its obvious, that the better it does in this benchmark, the more likely they are to sell cards.And no, there isnt any other DX9 benchmarks, but it doesnt mean that this one is a good basis for doing these benches. And as for Nvidias pixel shaders being slower, its gue to one fact. Their cards dont do 24bit. When the Radeon cards do it, they use 24bit, under a 24bit sequence, the Nvidia cards use 32bit. They do 12, 16, 32bit. And why wouldnt you choose 16bit, if it provides the exact same quality as 32bit, but performs alot better? In 32bit, the 9800pro outperforms it, but in 16 bit, it outperforms it.Now, if they had a 24bit(??? why isnt there one?) it would more than likely, perform identically to ATi, maybe a touch quicker do to clock frequencies.BTW, if your bitching that 16bit is too poor for it, then when there doing 32bit, why doesnt it get praised for doing more than 9800pro? Sure, all look the same, but that dont matter to you. It only matters there running the standard, and if there doing less, its fine to bitch, but any extra, and there just bagged for being slower.BTW, i am just guessing if it did a 24bit, that it would be almost identical performance as 9800pro. THis is jsut my theory, if either side of it, gives faster and slower results, that the middle should give similar.All things aside though, maybe instead of these driver tweakes, maybe they should make there cards do 24bit.... why do the extra 8bit, when its no better looking, and the lesser

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

Wait, in that article, one thing i was unsure of, is this:The ARB2 path, is 24bit when the Radeon does it. But when the GeForceFX does it, it performs in 32bit, and hence is a touch slower, but there both the same quality. (I think thats why its slower, i aint 100% sure, it was kinda vague in the article).But in the NV30 path, They render using mostly 12bit and 16bit, and so it runs faster on the card, and in turn outperforms the ATi card. (I think this is right, it aint stated how many bit).But Carcmak says that its not cheating if the end result is the same. To him, Nvidia lowering to the lower bits wasnt cheating, it was an optimisation. Because the quality was exactly the same, it was just reached faster.Now, i want someone to clear things up> Are my first 2 paragraphs correct? I think they are, but the report i read was vauge, and those are the conclusions i come to. I know Carmacks quote is right, but i know people argue against it.

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

well 3dmarks days are numbered....it can no longer be used to compare 3D cards no more, there are many complicated factors with the latest cards.... I say use a REAL GAME to see how fast it runs.... after all, you want a card that runs GAMES well NOT get some stupid HISCORE in some LAMO sythetic BENCHMARK which uses an over excess features that arent even in any games!!! LOLZ peopleUnealTournament2003 is good game for comparing 3Dcards I suppose...

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

Ok, this is taken from Nvmax. As unbiased and reasonable as you will ever see."I strongly feel this needs covering properly so here goes:1. NVIDIA used methods that can not be duplicated in an in-game situation to improve performance in 3DMark, I would personally count this as cheating, since it is defeating the object of the benchmark; to produce a viable comparison of 3D in-game performance. Many would argue that 3DMark is not a valid test anyway as its synthetic, but then so are the UT2003 timedemos and yet no one mentions that.2. The methods ATI used for speed improvements can be used in an in-game situation and are frequently used throughout the development industry, by optimising the order in which shaders are executed for specific vendors’ hardware.I do think though that we should look at the situation from a wider perspective, as in the majority of tests (i.e. UT2003, DOOM3 etc) the 5900Ultra is outpacing the 9800Pro, especially when high levels of AA and AF are being used and lets face it, this is what we want these high end cards for right? Also the 5900 is very fast at DirectX9 Pixel and Vertex Shading which is what upcoming games will need. 5900 is the fastest playing DOOM3, but it that any surprise? NVIDIA has worked with iD throughout its development so it will obviously be optimised for their hardware, just as HL2 will probably run faster on ATi hardware. The two top cards it would appear are almost neck and neck, although I do see one thing separating them. If you like high quality FSAA above all else get the 9800Pro and don’t look back. If like me though you prefer quality AF at any angle then get the 5900Ultra, future games will be full of curved surfaces like in Unreal 2 so keep that in mind when buying your next wallet burner. "

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

Even if they cheated, the 5900Ultra is the fastest right now. They even fixed the super loud fan problem, (although I hear it is still a little loud) so kudos to nVidia in the hardware department. (although it won't be long before they are challenged again - meaning they won't be on top for 8 months, like another company we all know)On the other hand they lie and try to mislead customers.I wonder what we would find if we did the same sort of checking into the UT2003 Antalus Flyby test? It is the same test every time also. (a "synthetic" benchmark, if you will) What's to stop them from "optimizing" that benchmark? (and any other widely used benchmark) Something to think about.I'm not arguing that the card's not fast, just that nVidia lie and cheat, the only thing left is for them to steal. (maybe the peformance crown?) That's yet to be seen. Let's see some production cards and real, fair, accurate, apples to apples benchmarks.

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I know, you're all going to say that you can't compare them directly since they use different precision floating point operations. If the DX9 standard is 24 then why doesn't nVidia program their hardware to use the standard? Personally I alwayts thought DX9 standard was 32, but I could be wrong. If that's the case all DX9 then ATi should working with 32 and not 24 by default. If 24 is the standard then nVidia needs to find a way to work around that fact. I'm sure all that translating from 32 to 16 and back again must degrade something (as Carmack pointed out if you read the whole thing) and takes up processing time.

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

"But Carcmak says that its not cheating if the end result is the same. To him, Nvidia lowering to the lower bits wasnt cheating, it was an optimisation. Because the quality was exactly the same, it was just reached faster."However SSCREW, the results WERE NOT THE SAME. That is why they consider it cheating."oh and not drawing objects that are not on screen or hidden IS an optimization"The only problem with that is, IQ was lost. The workload was taken off the card. Read TheInquirer about that. They sum it up pretty good."come off it, carmack is full of it in this case. he can not say that what nvidia did was a cheat and then say what ati sis was an optimization."His very definition of the two supports this. Read what he said closely. ATI method turns out results that are exactly to FM specs. No IQ was lost. By Carmacks definition, that is optimization. Look what he said. However, Nvidia's technique caused many alterations in performance and quality. Clipping planes. Loss of buffers. Images not rendered off screen. ETC."And carmack himself said that Nvidia can covert these things into 12bit/16bit and said that it loses absolutely no quality, graphcis loss etc. And is an Optimisation.'Only thing SSCREW. FP24 is the standard requirement for dx9. So Nvidia cannot run a dx9 test in anything lower then it. That's was another resong they got caught for cheating. By running it at a lower precision they could run it faster, however IQ was lost. That's 2 issues right there.1. Have to run it in fp24. Or it's not vaild for dx9.2. when they did run it in the precision, IQ was lost. The final outcome was not the same. similar, but not the same. For it to be a optimization, the end result has to be eaxactly the same. Carmack and Sweeny said this. ATI's method the end result was exactly the same, no IQ was lost. However ATI said they cheated also and will take out the optimization even thought the harware and software community says it's not."BT

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

......"BTW, i am just guessing if it did a 24bit, that it would be almost identical performance as 9800pro."Oh and if Nvidia did run it in FP24 . It would run slower then the 9800pro. Why? Because the 9800pro runs shader ops faster. Look at all the shader game tests and Nvidia's own bench test shader marks. This is why Nvidia deliberatly defaulted the precision to FP12, FP16.The only area that the 5800, 5900 is weak in still is shader ops. And that is what this version of 3dmarks test. And what future games will be running. Pixel shader 2.0 and other heavy pixel and vertex shader applications. This test and their own shader marks test and game tests that use shaders proves that the 5800, 5900 is slower then the 9800, 9700. Nvidia did not like this at all.

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

Bottom line. Nvidia knows the games in the near future will use lots of vertex and pixel shaders. And these tests show that they run them slower. And Nvidia does not like that. Nor the truth. It's faster in most tests and for games of the now. But games that use lots of vertex and pixel shaders is where they lost out to the 9800, 9700pro. All the shader game tests support exactly what 3dmarks shader tests are saying about the 5900, 5800 Ultra. Less shader engine power then the R300, R350 chipset. And considering Nvidia has always stated in their PR campaign that the FX chipset is more advanced and future based then any consumer card on the market, these results(shaders are the future feature for upcoming games)make them look bad. The truth hurts. And it's no longe just 1 or 2 sites or experts saying this now. It's all of them. The truth is out. Just improve the shader engine Nvidia and move on.

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HOLY MOTHERF*CKER!!!! THIS d**kHEAD STILL GOES ON WITH PIXEL SHADER & OTHER DIRECTX CRAP. DR d**kHEAD WHAT DO YOU DO IN YOUR SPARE TIME? SEEMS LIKE YOU NEVER GET LAID BEFORE. YOU AND ONE IN THE MILLION INTERNET NERD ARE TOO OBSESS WITH THIS GEEKASS GRAPHIC CARD THAT YOU FORGOT TO GET LAID. SUCKER LIKE YOU WILL NEVER GET LAID. YOU ARE TOO BUSY TALKING ABOUT SOME CRAPASS GRAPHIC CARD. I PITY YOU FOOL.

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This is the way I feel when I think of Nvidia.You're the whisper of a summer breezeYou're the kiss that puts my soul at easeWhat I'm saying is I'm in to youHere's my story and the story goesYou give love, you get loveAnd more than heaven knowsYou're gonna seeI'm gonna run, I'm gonna tryI'm gonna take this loveRight to yaAll my heart, all the joyOh baby, baby pleaseRush, rushHurry, hurry lover come to meRush, rushI wanna see, I wanna see ya get free with meRush, rushI can feel it, I can feel you all through meRush, rushOoh what you do to meAnd all I want from you is what you areAnd even if you're right next to meYou're still too far awayIf I'm not inside your armsI get dramatic baby,Yes I know but I need you, I want youOoh man, I love you soOoh, oohYou're gonna seeI'm gonna run, I'm gonna tryI'm gonna take this loveRight to yaAll my heart, all the joyOoh baby, baby pleaseRush, rushHurry, hurry lover come to meRush, rushI wanna see, I wanna see ya get free with meRush, rushI can feel it, I can feel you all through meRush, rushOoh what you do to meWhen you kiss me up and downTurn my senses all aroundOh baby, oh babyI don't know just how or whyBut no one else has touched meSo deep, so deep, so deep insideYou're gonna seeI'm gonna runI'm gonna tryI'm gonna take this loveRight to yaAll my heart, all the joyOh baby baby pleaseRush, rushHurry, hurry lover come to meRush, rushI wanna see, I wanna see ya get free with meRush, rushI can feel it, I can feel you all through meRush, rushOoh what you do to me

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

GET A LIFE, seems you need to get a life. And i highly doubt that you get laid. You talk about too much. People that tend to talk, don't do the walk. And screwing your father does not count as well as farm animals and other family members GET A LIFE.You are always posting here using different id's to disguise yourself, but we all know better. And all you do is slag everyone. Talk about getting a life. What the hell are you doing in a games and hardware forum then if all you do is talk about getting laid(JERKING OFF TO MR.ED DON'T COUNT) and slagging everyone? Wrong site for you farm fornicater. The sheep and your daddy's d**k is waiting for you.

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

nVidia: Here is our latest product it is big hot inefficient and loud (at this time they do not mention that FP32 sucks and they have hacked IQ)ATi: Here is our latest product it is not as big not as hot and very efficient and whisper quitet compared to our competitorsATi first to market with DX9 hardwareATi first to market with a DX9 part that can actually follow the DX9 spec and run it at speeds nVidia cannot matchATi first to market with a card you can actually use HIGH QUALITY FSAA AND ANSIO together and keep frame rates above playable at high resolutions....nVidia second to market with DX9 hardwarenVidia runs like crap when nV3x follows specs is (1/2 to 2/3 the card ATi offers)nVIdia second to market with FSAA and ANSIO but what they do not tell you is ATi has 250-300% MORE performance at max IQ settings for both cards and looks better to boot.Ati Multisample rotated gridnVidia supersampled ordered gridYeah i know when I buy doom iii I want to play it at INT12 and FP 16 NOT!!!!! I'd rather have all of the eyecandy on and play at FP 24 percision.

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In short about the news article.LMAO. gg h4x!Even still its good to see nVidia 'try' to better a gimpy card.I have used ATI constantly and will always still use ATI even though friends around me have used everything else.

GFX 5900 Caught Cheating

STILL TALKING ABOUT CEL SHADER? YOU IDIOTS NEVER HEARD OF THE WORD OUTDOOR. YOU STUCK YOURSELF INSIDE YOUR CUBICAL THINKING I CAN BE GOD IN COMPUTER. THIS PROVES MOST OF YOU ARE OVERWEIGHT, LOW SELFESTEEM, LOW MORALE, & UGLY. DR D*CKHEAD HAVE BEEN GOING & GOING WITH HIS BS CRAP ABOUT VIDEOCARD. I WATCH HIM POST THE SAME CRAP AGAIN & AGAIN FROM DIFFERENT GRAPHIC CARD TOPIC. THAT TELLS YOU HE SPENDS TOO MUCH TIME TALKING ABOUT SPECS WHICH NO ONE GIVES A SH*T. HELLO DR D*CKHEAD...THIS IS INTERNET. ITS NOT HEALTHY TO STAY ONLINE EVERY TIME.

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Still at it GET A LIFE. LOL. You need help. Get the f**k off this forum you loser. And you need to get off the internet. More so the child porn sites. f**king moron. This is a game forum! So f**k off GET A LIFE and lose the CAPS you d**k sucker.

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Im not reading all this messages but man... DRDEATH has nothing to do in this life as you can see he posts a message every hour.He simply is a nerd with no friends who USES all his time in this.One advice go out make connections explore the world a little don't just sit at that chair.But lets go to the point "Get A Life"

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to get a life, plato and john, why do you even care ? losers.. if everyone agreed here and never discuss anything the board would be fukin boring, you are all nvidia fanboy who got hearth broken, there, i start it again=)

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nvidia did not fail any tests under so called "game conditions" just whne the DEVELOPERS VERSION was used. so you can stop games and move the screen to see what objects werent rendered and thats going to affect your gaming experience ? bull to the 100th power.news flash - carmack is NOT god and is speaking crap in this case.

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