Is There a Problem with ATI

Recent reports from many reviewers have generated suspicion about ATI performance in three applications and have even gone so far as to suggest that the Canadian graphics firm may be using dodgy means in order to gain speed.

ATI immediately responded, claiming that these reports are not only unfounded but that some, let's say, major rival is still taking stabs at them.

The stories concern Unreal Tournament 2003, Halo the DX9 PC port and the Aquamark 3 DX9 benchmark.

In a statement to the inquirer ATI claim allegations very seriously and we (ATI) are distressed by the implication that we are cheating our customers.

According to ATI then, in UT2003, a bug was discovered that affects image quality in benchmarks and in the game. ATI says This is a known issue that has been recognized by both ATI and Epic as a bug and ATI is not cheating in any way in this application.

According to ATI the Halo, issue is non-existant as its cards show better picture quality for rendering than its competitor.

To demonstrate that they are taking allegations seriously, ATI did not dismiss the Aquamark 3 issue, even though the developer is happy with ATI's rendering. Instead the company say they are investigating the matter.

ATI also commented on the spread of these stories in a somewhat controversial way, we are disappointed that certain media outlets chose to perpetuate the allegations, made originally by a competitor, in their articles without an understanding of what was happening and without contacting us for comment.

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Is There a Problem with ATI

Here's what I think, my games look fantastic on my 9700, and I love the card. It plays all of my favorite games flawlessly. I had a Geforce 3, and I had a GF2, plus 2 Voodoo 2's, and VooDoo 3's. The technology just keeps getting better. Each company one-ups each other every year, so I just jump on the right band wagon for me, and my performance needs. Right now ATi, is kicking some major @ss in the market, cuz' they got their Shizz together. Yeah for them!! They rock. If VooDoo was still around I'm sure they would be pretty competitive too. That's all I have to say.

Is There a Problem with ATI

''nvidia fanboys burn in hell u dumb fcukin faggots eat shitt and die ATI pwnz u alll '' ----fan-boys fan-boys........oh sh*t ....you mindless retards keep saying the SAME thing on EVERY thread. It seems you're ''fan-boys'' yourselves if you keep whining about it SOOO MUCH. There's no point of being any company's fan ----just get yourself a card which suits you , put your impressions about it here , and stop talking bullsh*t !! If you don't have any proof to support your ideas, keep 'em for yourself !! ''hahaha ANI/NVIDIA sux you all must eat my sh*t !!'' ---all the authors of similar posts look dumb.

Is There a Problem with ATI

Yesterday I was using my 9800 pro with the new catalyst 3.8 drivers and my hair caught on fire! I tried to put it out with my curtains, but then they caught on fire and my whole house went up in flames. Then my neighbors house caught on fire and it started the biggest wildfire in all of California!I guess I should've stuck with the 3.7 drivers.

Is There a Problem with ATI

This article is S H I T!! It says absolutely nothing! It may as well say"My friend said 3 things about another person today, and the other person said he was lying"What are the issues meant to be? Who highlited the issues? Has anyone else come across the same issues? The article doesnt cover any of these points, so it is just fueling rumours and speculation.I have Halo (PC) and a Radeon 9800 pro 256 and I see no problem with the graphics at all (but I have to agree that when I saw the flashlight for the first time I thought it looked AWFUL), but when I had my Radeon 8500 on older drivers the IQ cheat on Quake 3 was completely obvious and annoyed the hell out of me.Im no fanboy as I have owned 3 3dFX cards, 5 nVidia cards and 2 ATI cards over the last 6 years, but the 9800 pro is the best card I have ever known and it has offered the best upgrade improvement also (I upgraded from a Ti4600 after a year)My 9800 works flawlessly in all my games and I have had no crashing issues since I brought the card 3 months ago. If ATI continue to bring out cards like this one then they will carry on receiving my money when I upgrade in the future - but if Nvidia pull their stuff together then I will give them my money if their technology is a reasonable price and performs better - unlike the current situation.Another thing I have notaced recently is that there are a lot more people actually posting reasonable comments on here in the last 2 months or so - maybe people are growing up or the fanboys are all talked out and are growing tired of posting the same useless 'pwnz joo all' crap

Is There a Problem with ATI

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Is There a Problem with ATI

I have an Nvidia FX in MY gaming machine - runs halo perfectly.So i installed the free demo on the another machine that has an ATI card in it. And wouldn't ya know it, just by changing resolutions in Halo, or changing servers for that matter, the ATI machine crashes to blue screen of death - every damn time.Oh, and my very first computer had an ATI card as part of the onboard graphics - locked up almost every 20minutes or so. I disabled the onboard vid and replaced it with a comparable nvidia TNT card and guess what? No more lock-ups.Yes, ATI "may" have better raw performance when compared to Nvidia, but thats apples and oranges. ATI renders at 24-bit whereas nvidia renders at 16 and 32. At 16, image will look subpar than ATI and at 32 performance will be lower than ATI, so you can't really declare a winner.But i digress, winning an argument with idiots on the internet is liking winning the "special" olympics - either way everyone comes out to be retarded morons who can only speak highly of their own card and poorly of the others card while offering no sound evidence.

Is There a Problem with ATI

"but at least you get a rock-solid-stable card, with good driver support and all the effects in the games..."Still can't enable trilinear filtering with Det drivers pal. You can only use Nvidia's version of Trilinear filtering which is Bilinear. And fsaa+aa are not even close to what ATI offers. So As for drivers. You seem to forget the whole DET 40 series and the infamous 51.75 drivers. All buggy. Major issues. Major problems with IQ in all instances. This is the first major issue with the Cat drivers since they recruited the driver team from Nvidia to program the Cat drivers. That's right. The same driver team responsible for the Unified drivers from Nvidia work at ATI now. So saying ATI drivers suck is saying Nvidia's drivers suck also. The last 4 driver releases from Nvidia were brutal. It's just their new 50 not including the abortion 51.75 drivers are solid. ATI has issues with 3.8's and all you Nvidiots scream "they suck"And this story is OLD. MegaGames just released this? This was old new 2 weeks ago. This has been delt with already. These alegations were brought up by Nvidia themselves! And one of their major pushers, TomsHardware. And it's all been proven to be false. Old news. Need to update this MegaGames....

Is There a Problem with ATI

Our Halloween weekend was pretty tame news-wise, but here is one article that you will not want to miss.NVIDIA Filtering:Or lack there of rather....Our friend Ronald Gasch of 3DCenter takes a look at what NVIDIA is doing with their mipmap filtering in their 52.16 drivers, know as "Brilinear Filtering". We have mentioned this in our reviews as of late but have not seen any ingame situations where it negatively impact our gaming experience.There is an alarming development for a while: Newer Cards and/or newer drivers lower the image quality without being asked to do so. We take a look at the new "bilinear" filter for Nvidia´s GeForceFX cards from 52.16 drivers:NVIDIA committed to us that they would allow a driver setting in their current driver set, that would allow the informed gamer to override their forced filtering setting. NVIDIA lied to us, as it has not been done. The first time they committed to add a switch that would allow the end user to "force" true trilinear filtering, it did not happen and they explained to me that I "misunderstood" exactly what they were telling me. At that time we pinned them down and they committed to have the switch implemented in the next driver release, which has come and gone, with no changes regarding this "Brilinear" filtering. After this year, I am getting to the point where if it has to do with NVIDIA, I don't believe unless I see it come to pass[url removed] call that "effects"You Nvidiots keep supporting the company that f**ks you....

Is There a Problem with ATI

You know it's funny, you hear from some people saying that they've played 2,000 different games with and ATI card and that they're rock solid and never crash, then you hear from another person who says that they're always crashing. Same with Nvidia cards. Makes you wonder how much of this is due to differences in the systems and how much is due to people exaggerating.But, since I've had both an ATI card and an Nvidia card, personal experience tells me that ATI is a shit load less stable.

Is There a Problem with ATI

Are you people that Guallable? These cheating allegations came from...guess who? Nivida themselves! No one else. They levied these allegations at their OWN PR event, Nvidia's Shader Days event. This is why NO OTHER WEBSITE HAS EVEN COVERED THIS ISSUE in any depth because of the lack of evidence and truth to it. Toms Hardware called it cheating without any proof! Then when you look at who sponsors that website the most,(Nvidia, Intel) then you know why Tom said that. Look around if you don't believe. Research it. Actually quite a few sites openly ridiculed Tom for making assumptions before evidenece was brought forth. And what adds insult to injury for Nvidia is the fact that the websites that did cover this issue, all came to the same conclusion that Nvidia is full of shit and trying to STIll hide their lack of performance in dx9 games and applications. And furthermore. Nvidia has the brass tacks to claim ATI cheated with NO evidence or facts from other reliable INDEPENANT sources to back up it's claim!!!????? Nvidia says ATI cheated and you idiots believeit? Hello? This is the same Nvidia that has been caught RED-HANDED with regards to cheating on 4 separate occassions over the past year. All proven by every single website that ran tests. That's proof. Nvidia says ATI cheated at their own PR event and you Nvidiots suck it in hook line and sinker. This news is OLD. It has already been proven to be false.Nvidia's DET drivers from the 40's-51.75 have been crap. Disagree? You can't because they are. Proven. The 3.8's are crap. Proven also. But the rest are solid. Since the release of the FX cards, all Nvidia drivers except 52.16 and 52.14 have been crap lowering IQ drivers with many issues. And guess what? 52.14, 52.16 STILL does not allow full IQ settings! That's totally against Nvidia's OWN AUDIT rules they implemanted after they got caught cheating for the 4th time. And they are STILL not following their OWN rules! Something they said they would never do anymore.

Is There a Problem with ATI

...CONTINUED...More lies from Nvidia.[url removed] living in the past all you fanboys that spent $400-$500 on the FX card that renders DX9 games poorly. That's why your pissed. Read this link and there are many more like it around the web blind Nvidia fanboys.[url removed]

Is There a Problem with ATI

"So when nVidia cheated, then that means that ATI set nVidua up!"Too bad it was Nvidia that set themselves up. Every f**king review site ran tests to see if Nvidia cheated. And all the tests proved that they were. Do we have to rehash the extensive measures Nvidia used to cheat in 3dmarks2003, Unreal 2003? Just to name a few. It's well documented.

Is There a Problem with ATI

Nvidia knew the time was comming when they would run into trouble, and they're the ones trying to cheat their customers. Starting rumors is low, even for Nvidia, take the punch boys you loose.KO round 1, 5th second. Loosers go home, bye bye. ATI rocks. Canada kicks @$$

Is There a Problem with ATI

jon womack is a retard! how can u play games with a 9200 pro? thats not a good choice for gaming.. and difinitly not for halo,these people that play halo doesnt know that halo uses a old graphic engine.. its a old game made in 97 and didnt come out until now?nvidia got some old ass gpu design that only clocked up.. and faster DDr memory,

Is There a Problem with ATI

"NVIDIA OWNS ATI!!!. MY GEFORCE 2 mx 200 beats ati radeon 7000 BY ALOT!!!!! And gf2 cost like 40 bucks less than ati."First of all, some of you are still living in the stone age.Second - all you little "know it alls" of the computer generation better listen up. Stop bitching about whos got the better card, accusations between companies are marketing tactics, the product world is fierce and all you little boys who have no clue about the real world will not understand this so shut the f%ck up.Third of all - A game manufacturer will sign a deal with a card manufacturer for their specific game, which of course if played on a different manufacturers card will not look the same as the one it was designed for. The game designers have to make the game work on all cards otherwise they put themselves out of the market, but will exclude some features for the other card manufacturers, like ea sports games for example will run better or look better on an nvidia card than an ati card, because it was coded that way, and thats why half life 2 will look better and play better on an ati card, because valve wants it that way.All you little whiney bitches must grow up and stop bitching because the product world is something you have yet to understand.I can carry on about amd and intel aswell, but i'm sure you catch my drift.

Is There a Problem with ATI

hey my sapphire 9100 kicks arse it is a bit glitchy though it runs smoother than some nvidia cards. whatever cards you get they will run fine anything over $250 kicks arse no matter ati or nvidia.i have also tested an nvidia card and i had no problems.. they both are good but ATI people stick with ATI and nvidia people stick with nvidia-=9800=- OWNS *5950*

Is There a Problem with ATI

@ PsycageLook man, theres a thing called money and game creators like ea and valve trying to get as much money as they can. So that´s the reason why they are trying to make games runing on all well selling cards no matter if it´s nvida or ati. You shoud not listen to some pre-alpha benchmark results, HL 2 will run on all cards with the same performence that is possible to realize on the customers existing hardware, if there are performence problems they will try to patch it. There is no reason why HL 2 shoud look better on Ati, cause ati can´t pay ati so much money as the guys who will buy the game and most of´em have a nvidia card(ti-4200 is really cheap you know ;).

Is There a Problem with ATI

hey why make it so hard to choose a damn card :(I get my xp3000 tomorow and now all i need for a super kick ass pc is a better graphics card but every week i hear 1 card is beter than the other. i have always been on nvidia cards so upto now im thinking of a 5950. unlike most of you im not choosing a card just because i get 0.3 fps extra on hl2 im thinking more about other future games and how they are going to play, if im going to be spending £400 for some stupid chips on a board then i will want to be playing more than just half life 2 - i want it to play doom3, that new MoH, star wars galaxies and every other new release for the next year at max details. im hardly going to sit here and scream at my monitor when doom3 slows down to 65fps instead of the 67fps that some webpage or benchmark says it runs at on a different card. In the end i dont see why any card over £300 should have trouble playing the latest games so..... yes i think ill take the fx5950 after all - maybe.

Is There a Problem with ATI

ok ok i seriously just changed my mind theres no way im getting a nvidia card now. i just installed the new drivers and they have totally screwed up my favourite game unreal tounrament. im on an xp2000 at the moment with a ti4200 and the new drivers have now made ut drop by like 40 fps!!!! it is very unplayable now so my next card is 100% ati!!!

Is There a Problem with ATI

@anonymous: the reason the new nvidia drivers result in decreased performance is because they eliminated the bug in the old drivers that completely left out shading and lighting in graphics. so there is now reduced performance, and increased quality. check out [url removed] for a more detailed explanation.@jack: halo for pc is just damn slow, they did a bad job importing it and there is probably a lot of loose code, it has nothing to do with your card

Is There a Problem with ATI

1. @Anonymous (at 13.50 4/11/2003): Halo for PC runs at a steady fps of 65 @ 1024*768 resolution with my GeForce FX 5600 256mb, 1.6Ghz AMD Athlon and 512 RAM. I'm using driver version 4.5.2.3 with an nForce 2 m'board (MSI).2. There is NO problem with either ATI or nVidia. Every half year or so it seems to change who the best is. For now, ATI have had their '15 minutes' and now it's nVidia's turn with their 5950 and the like.3. If ATI and nVidia merged, or whatever, they could most possibly create the best graphics card ever for many years to come. Think about it...Done thinking?Good.I rest my case ;-)

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